I see more and more of them on the road with their distinct headlights.

from what I've seen.

Overall Scores of their models, which include road tests, reliability, satisfaction, and safety

Rivian #30/34.

and then I started noticing that when I went shopping for things their reviews didn't match up to the reality. Like a stereo receiver for instance. They would say one model had flimsy, wobbly knobs and switches but when I went to look I checked it out and there was nothing at all like that. Other stuff too.

Then I began to really look at their reviews for cars and compare the actual language in the reviews along with the measurements for things like leg room, head room, shoulder room etc. If they were reviewing a Toyota or a Honda they would use words like adequate, comfortable etc. Then you look at a review for a Ford or GM product in the same vehicle class and they would use words like cramped, tight etc. even though the measurements for the Ford and the GM product were better.

They got the nickname "Consumer Distorts" a long time ago and when I've monitored them since they haven't changed. I don't go by their reviews and I do not accept their supposed "readers quality feedback" because CR refuses to divulge their criteria and any weighting given and how they arrived at them. Put simply if you have 50 owners of a model the only way that tracking repairs/complaints has any integrity is if the same place is checking the vehicles and applying a consistent examination. When you go dealer to dealer you can get a wide response as to what is going on with a vehicle and it is not unusual for dealers to tell you something is wrong that in fact is perfectly fine.

I also stopped giving any credence to their reviewers when a few years back they were reviewing a 2000's version of a muscle car, I forget if it was a Camaro, Mustang or Corvette but they worked into their critique that they were docking the vehicle rating because of a lack of luggage space and rear passenger room. Apparently nobody ever told the "testers" at CR that in any product review you analyze the product for what it was designed for not how it would perform for something it wasn't designed for. CR accepts no criticism and so writing them does no good. I tried. I don't think it's appropriate to judge a Mustang on how it does taking the kids to the soccer game. But CR rolls on. It's about as bad as reading product reviews on web sites like Amazon, Home Depot etc. I've checked the reviews when I'm looking at an item and even though they say "verified purchase" the review is about a whole different model than I'm looking at.

The only enjoyment I get from the Home Depot reviews is when the HD automated review system has kept bugging a purchaser to give a review for something basic like a flat washer or a nail. Finally some people give in just to stop the HD e-mails nagging them and they write a caustic funny review poking fun at the idiocy of asking for a review on a flat washer.

Rivians parked out there. The plant's lots are full of uncollected Amazon trucks. Rivian's main problem is a lack of dealerships. All the Telsa charging stations in town are filled with Rivians.
They just announced a smaller SUV
I think they'll make it.

but we don't want a truck, we want a sedan model which they don't make yet. We've rented a Ford Mack EV that is labeled a mustang and it's an SUV which we also don't want. We want a sedan model. The Ford is handy for our moving chores right now.

The Rivian R1SE Sedan: Our Own Best Guess At How Rivian Could Take On Tesla And Lucid

Borrowing the cabin from the R1S SUV and the covered trunk from the R1T pickup truck, our render takes the shape of a comfy and practical sedan.

I'm seeing very many chargers all together is at major mall/residential developments. Some of those have like 12 chargers lined up. Usually about 2 plugged in during the day and I would think there would be more overnight.

outside of the metros the state seems to take pride in being ass backwards

wonder if when internal combustion engines were just becoming common place how long before gas stations became common

i did read the article and did not find anything i really disagreed with.

back in the '70's/80's that if you went looking for a vegan restaurant you could find a couple in Madison but otherwise you were out of luck.

the ‘charging infrastructure’ is at home.
Many office locations provide chargers, frequently free for the people who work there.
New EV models for the US market for many manufacturers are now providing tesla compatible charging. The Tesla charging network is pretty extensive . But unless you are frequently traveling long distances or can’t charge at home or at work this is not that important. In 5 years I’ve used public charging 4 times.

He would commute in his EV. (it was a Honda, I think) The range wasn’t… quite… enough… to get him to where he was going. There was this power pole out in the middle of nowhere that had an outlet mounted on its base near a pullout.

Every morning, rain or shine, I’d see him out there topping off. He did this for several years.

I’d just salute as I passed.

So, human nature being what it is, where there’s a will. There’s a way.

so nobody ever.

is the interiors of a Tesla are "low budget" compared to others, they don't like having to pay extra for a steering wheel instead of that stupid "yoke" that Musk insists is cool, they don't like that everything including the speedometer is over on a screen in the center of the dash and is crowded with information, they're not happy with the price cuts for new ones degrading the trade-in value of the one they bought just awhile back when "Elon the Magnificent" was telling prospective customers that a used Tesla would bring more in used price than they paid for it. They're not happy about long waits for parts, repairs etc. and they are also not happy about what appears to be fudging on the range numbers. That range fudging is currently under investigation by the Feds.

They also complain about the lack of any styling changes and so the models look like something from the early 2000's. They also complain about what an a**hole the guy is who runs the company. So now with other competitors out there with more modern looking exterior designs, nicer interior materials/look, more thoughtful interior design, competitive pricing and wide dealer networks etc. they are writing comments about how very happy they were when they saw and drove the Audi, BMW etc. and how happy they are with the purchase. They also like that they didn't buy a car from one of the major a**holes of the world.

Elon.

If you think about who's in the EV market, even today it's not people who believe the lies and normally vote republican. It's people with relatively higher disposable incomes who lean at least a bit left. Man Child's antics are a big turn off and those people now have options other than Tesla.

My son and DIL bought a tesla back before Elon flushed his reputation. They took delivery of it after. Then they bought a Rivian truck and are much more impressed with it than the Tesla. So now they have a Rivian car on order and going to get rid of the Tesla. Elon is a fool.

We love them. We have solar on our roof and they run on sunshine.

Having the face of your company constantly lying and promoting racism, bigotry and fascism isn't going to do a company a lot of good.


Still beyond that:

The company was wildly overvalued.

The company was the first major player in the market, but history shows that doesn't ensure long-term success.

The product line is old, except for the hideous cyber truck.

Telsa is repeating the history of Detriot, where it finds it can compete with cheaper imports.

The quality of the vehicles is less than ideal.

Many people prefer plugin hybrids to pure EVs

EVs don't like the cold.

Now it's "deliveries". To fully appreciate what that means, deliveries are the same as sales. There are no dealerships. So, usually, when you are thinking of deliveries, you are thinking about a company getting cars onto the dealer's lots. With Tesla, the decline in deliveries means there is a decline in sales

Supply issues were specifically stated in their list of excuses.
I agree with what your saying about their business model, but supply issues isn't my explanation. They said it. I don't believe that's a viable excuse. Supply issues would now be the result of poor inventory management & control; perhaps JIT gone wild.

Use to be they could get by with crappy management and the inevitable poor service and quality issues that brings. They were the only really viable product in the market, with a ton of brand mystic. All that has changed and not just because of Musk's antics. In the face of significant and growing competition from guys with much deeper pockets, tons of expertise and a broad, deep, efficient supply chain, Tesla's management shortcomings may very well kill the company. At least beat the stock price down to where it becomes a serious acquisition target.

Trade in my BMW for and EV, I wish they were a little less expensive.

My husband & I both drive Model Y’s and are very happy with our Teslas. They aren’t perfect but we believe it’s important to get more people to buy EV’s. We need more advocacy & education about ‘range anxiety’.

Bashing Tesla is not helpful. We bought them knowing Musk was a jerk and don’t regret it. It’s great to drive by gas stations.

I was in Rochester NY yesterday & couldn’t believe how many Teslas I saw. It was heartening & carbon dioxide levels are diminishing in urban areas cuz of EVs.

Have either you or your wife ever had to turn in a claim? Do you use Tesla's insurance plan or an outside company.

Proud of my Tesla.

Welcome. I hope you like it here and look forward to your continued activity on the site.

I live about 30 miles west of Rochester, and it's nice to see more western NY members.

What they love best is the driving past gas stations as well. They are young and car enthusiasts and like the way the car drives. . These are two people that I thought would go kicking and screaming into an EV. They don’t think or worry at all about Elon. They like the car. Welcome to DU. ignore the rude comments here. Chin up! 👍

And the other guys aren't as notoriously anti-union, sexist, racist or run by a card carrying fascist. That's beginning to show in unit sales and kind of the point of the OP wouldn't you think? But, hey! I like the car and don't give a crap about all that other stuff. Am I reading that right?

And the competition from bigger, better competitors will kill it. That's kind of the point wouldn't you say?

The battery power, just to keep the car warm, was draining batteries.

I like my hybrid Hyundai. 48 MPG.

Who wants to spend ages in line for a charge on a trip?
Not me.

The people who now dictate what cars should look like.

and love it. I had an Ioniq hybrid and considered it the most ideal vehicle I'd ever owned up to that point, until last year it was totaled in an accident (not my fault). I was heartbroken. Unfortunately for me, Hyundai had spun off the Ioniq name to their all-electric line, so it's now impossible to buy a hybrid Ioniq. They've started making hybrid versions of all their other vehicles, so I bought a hybrid Elantra. I has nice sports-car styling, but I find the seats the most uncomfortable I've ever had in any vehicle, ever. I was having back pain within just a few weeks. I'm still making do with it, because that sweet, sweet 48+ MPG.

All the Elantra was missing was the solar collectors on the roof (which they said gave a mile a day) and the heated steering wheel. I miss the wheel. But for $12k, I will do without the heated steering wheel,

Both gave me the same 48 mpg. Milage increased in different parts of the east coast. On Va. 81, I was getting mid 50's. Some parts of Pa., 60. But most of my daily northern N.J. driving, 48, same as you.

My next one will probably be a Prius plug-in hy.

It ended up that this 'disaster' was one tesla supercharger center in Chicago that malfunctioned. The people affected were primarily Uber and Lyft drivers who were taking advantage of Hertz's discounted rental prices on their Tesla fleet. Being 'on the clock' lots of them ran their cars down to near zero before going to get charged, and were shit out of luck when that charging center was down.

EVs work just fine in cold weather. Norway, not known for its tropical weather, is at around 80% EV for new vehicles and will eliminate ICE vehicle sales by 2025.

That was is basically an Electric Camry is a luxury car.
Now that there are real luxury EVs, and all Musks promises about self driving are shown to be hot air, his brand is crap.
Not to mention he is a fascist asshole.

When one unit is sold in a year, when none were sold the year before, that there is a 100% sales increase.

When two units are sold in a quarter, when only one was sold the quarter before, that’s a 50% sales increase.

And so on…

Always look at the macro and big numbers when considering a whole sector.

Finally, in discussing a new sector of hard products. (like EVs) There’s always a knee. Once everyone who wants one, has one. At this point, there’s reduced growth in the sector.



I hate to seem preachy about these things. Wall Street’s mantra of infinite growth and poorly written articles on finance are one of my few pet peeves. It only leads to things like DJT.

I personally believe that there’s going to be another spurt of growth in the EV sector. It’ll happen once the charging infrastructure is built out. Since the auto manufacturers seem incapable of digging deep into their pockets to make the investment, it’s going to be the government. If it happens. Along with that comes regulations and taxes to pay for it.

My wife put down the $1000 deposit as a birthday present, with the intention of it replacing my 2010 Prius. At this point, the deposit was to raise capital for its production of what was supposed to be a $35k car. When the car eventually was released, the combination of range I needed and all-wheel drive came closer to $55k. So when I needed to replace the 2010 Prius, I got a 2020 one (I wish I didn't have to choose between plug-in and AWD, but I choose AWD), and got our Tesla deposit back.

Our 2014 CR-V is approaching 200k miles (lots of roadtrips), and may need replacing soon. Unfortunately, none of the electric SUVs have dropped prices sufficiently (or, for that matter, at all), so we'll probably get either another CR-V or a RAV4.

The problem is cars: too many of them, and too many places built for them.

...elon musk...

...and face it, me and millions of others like me love our dirty, filthy, disgusting ICE vehicles...

I thought it was pretty obvious.

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FWIW...

some people make it sound like they can't sell these things...

He alienates most of his customers with his right wing kkkrap.

of defects in the industry. And Musk is a raging racist...going so far as naming areas where Black employees work as the plantation. There is a California lawsuit and there are individual lawsuits where a number of Black employees have won six-figure awards. I would not buy a shitty car from an avowed racist who treats Black employees like crap. Don't further enrich Musk...he is a racist loser.

it was at a different dealer - so we didn't buy from Tesla directly. We were also able to pay cash since it was used and not quite so pricey. With interest rates being high that is going to keep a lot of folks from buying unless they absolutely have to replace their current vehicle or have the cash sitting in savings. So far we really like the car.