Loophole built right in the amendment.

Minus the selling and buying part. But the snitch laws and the no-travel laws are insane, and absolutely hark back to slavery laws.

The cartoonist Horsey got it immediately:

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To "rent" the labor.

If a woman body is being used against her will in service of the government, the fetus, and perhaps the father, and they the have eliminated or criminalized any alternative, how is this not 40 weeks of slavery, at least involuntary servitude?

The 13th amendment didn't narrowly ban commercial of lifelong slavery. It banned all slavery and involuntary servitude. How does forcing a woman to carry a fetus to term not fall until this definition?

…belonging to men via holy matrimony and already subject to them always.

The First-Wave Feminists were quite fiery on the subject of women’s servitude. They said women had fewer rights than children, criminals, and idiots (idiots meaning the severely mentally impaired) .

Impelled by moral imperatives they chose to concentrate on the abolition of Negro chattel slavery (again, terminology of the time) — but the struggle for women’s rights as human beings has never ceased.

Man came first - the first shot ch being created by God. Then God came around to the idea that Man shouldn’t be alone but deserved a partner. So God took a rib from Adam and made a woman from it.

What’s the message, then?

Simple: Man came first.

And a woman was brought in, as the Second, to satisfy the needs of the First, and stop him from being lonely. So what was in it for her? Um - well, nobody ever bothered to finish THAT sentence or think that far. Evidently whoever originally wrote that didn’t think any farther than what the man’s needs were.

Sexism for the ages, and all forms of understanding or definition of a Supreme Being.

That is bullshit made up by men

As I watch the steady march that’s now trampling women’s rights under big muddy boots, I wonder how far they’ll push it before the trends finally turn.

Yeah, it's been a problem for many women since forever. But seriously it's horrible to be treated as second class citizens and it's been going on for way too long.

and not the earlier passage in Genesis explicitly stating God created men and women, simultaneously, both in God’s image.

What with God being an amœba and all.....................

People laugh. Saying even scotus won't neuter the constitution.

Only all they need to do is let nullification through as an accepted doctrine; states will then be able to nullify any portion of the constitution they disagree with within their own borders.

It is an until now failed doctrine. But stranger doctrines are finding purchase.

And after all, this scotus is greater than those that have come before.

And the greaat book of Covefe says it is written that all things unrealistic shall become the law of the land. And so it shall be.

The Subversive Court cares only about enacting its extreme ideology.

Except maybe the 2nd Amendment, to appease the gun nuts.

Which to me, incidentally, has always been the decisive refutation of the people who use the Lockean "Appeal to Heaven" argument to support their interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. These people are authoritarian control freaks, if they truly thought a few ARs in the hands of a bunch of Sofa Seals would seriously hinder their wish to establish and hold their Christofascist dream government, they'd oppose the 2nd Amendment with every breath in their bodies. Nazi Germany had some of the strictest gun control regulations on the planet. It seems that their intellectual heirs realize it's not an issue to their power.

-- Mal

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what the Nazis ever did that was illegal.

Seriously.

Here's a link to that in case you didn't catch it: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/04/08/maine-lawmaker-nazis-paramilitary-groups/73248828007/

These Republicans are not even pretending any more.

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Repeal women's votes. These bastards believe they're winning.

Some women would give up the right to vote in order to elect Trump

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-trump-backers-tweet-repealthe19th-1476299001-htmlstory.html

(about halfway down the page)

Oct. 12, 2016,

Trump backers tweet #repealthe19th after polls show he'd win if only men voted

As polls show that Donald Trump would overwhelmingly win if only men were allowed to vote, the GOP nominee's supporters have spawned a new Twitter hashtag: #repealthe19th.

That’s a reference to the 19th Amendment, which gave women the right to vote.

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Arizona wasn’t a state in 1864 when they voted on this law. Nor could women even vote against it—they didn’t have the right to vote. Perfect model of authoritarian scams.

bringing back "spare the rod, spoil the child".

They'll scrap the entire Constitution. All those "patriotic" Americans we're talking about were never patriotic about America. They were patriotic about white control. As it became obvious that the American consensus was no longer limited to white (straight, Christian) people, they began to attack the American institutions they had championed for so long. If American institutions weren't only for white people then they would do away with them and replace the rules with cheating. Bunch of scumbags.

or Congressmen (and women) - they would all make perfect conscience-free slaveowners in 2024. They all look like carefree plantation owners bidding for slaves in 1850's Savanna or Charleston. Their psyches, policies, and (lack of) values make it an even more perfect fit.

Is just going to “get rid” of the 13th Amendment or any other amendment for that matter. There’s pretty much zero chance that happens in any of our lifetimes.

Very few of us will be here in ten years let alone 20

I know I won’t be here for the next solar eclipse.

But there’s zero chance the 13th Amendment is eliminated in this century

I didn’t say they’d succeed. They are a minority

and a mega majority on the Supreme Court. all they have to do is bring the amendments to the Supreme Court and they can deem them unconditional. You do remember Roe vs wade? One morning the Supreme Court ended it in literally minutes.

No longer slave owners but the oppressive culture of control freaks remains. If they'll take away Roe, they'll take away the 13th.

because it's the basis for corporate citizenship. As soon as they Rabid Right can figure out how to keep that while getting rid of birthright citizenship the 14th Amendment will be on the chopping block. I can see Alito's convoluted argument that the Reconstruction era amendments should all be thrown out because the states that had left the union didn't get to vote against them.

The Subversive Court has undermined "equal protection of the laws" (14, Section 1), and participation after rebellion or insurrection (14, Section 3).

and they have wildly diverging answers. Some have said 1776. They're such idiots that they think America has gone downhill ever since independence.

Trump himself has said early 1960s, before LBJ's immigration reforms and the civil rights movement and Medicare. Some idiots choose 1950s. Some say the Reagan years. But they all want to take us backwards to a time when things were great for some but worse for everyone else.

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On capturing two thirds of the state legislatures so as to call for a constitutional convention. The republicans are only a few states short of that goal. God only knows what they would do if they succeed in that.

But nothing happens without 3/4 of the states ratifying it.

They won't get 37 states on board with it.