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Emrys

(7,246 posts) Mon Apr 15, 2024, 11:30 PM Apr 15

CORRECTION: Johnson did NOT say Ukraine had to stand on its own, as reported earlier

Earlier, this tweet was taken to mean Johnson in a closed meeting implied Ukraine should be abandoned:

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Jake Sherman
@JakeSherman

JOHNSON, in the closed GOP meeting, says that Ukraine needs to stand on its own.

Sherman has now corrected:

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Jake Sherman
@JakeSherman

POORLY WORDED! the Ukraine BILL. not Ukraine the country

Jake Sherman
@JakeSherman
JOHNSON, in the closed GOP meeting, says that Ukraine needs to stand on its own.

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CORRECTION: Johnson did NOT say Ukraine had to stand on its own, as reported earlier (Original Post) Emrys Apr 15 OP

Poorly worded, perhaps, as to what was said, but perhaps not to intended result. RockRaven Apr 15 #1

Is there an Ukraine bill? If so, will Moses Mike bring it up for a vote, rsdsharp Apr 15 #2

FWIW, this tweet from Johnson four hours ago bears out the corrected interpretation: Emrys Apr 15 #3

The big uncertainty is whether Dems will vote for "the rule" that will allow the 4 separate votes to take place Alhena Apr 15 #4

Decoupling aid for Israel from aid for UKraine could gain support from those Democratic holdouts Emrys Apr 15 #6

Moor chaes and division Coventina Apr 15 #5

RockRaven

(14,977 posts)

1. Poorly worded, perhaps, as to what was said, but perhaps not to intended result.

Reply to Emrys (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2024, 11:35 PM

Apr 15

Will he vote for it? Will he whip votes for it? Will he allow a floor vote on it?

If not then the poor wording might be rather accurate.

rsdsharp

(9,188 posts)

2. Is there an Ukraine bill? If so, will Moses Mike bring it up for a vote,

Reply to Emrys (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2024, 11:35 PM

Apr 15

or will it just languish after the Israel bill passes?

Emrys

(7,246 posts)

3. FWIW, this tweet from Johnson four hours ago bears out the corrected interpretation:

Reply to Emrys (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2024, 11:45 PM

Apr 15

Link to tweet

Speaker Mike Johnson
@SpeakerJohnson

I have just spoken with the @HouseGOP
conference on my plan to address national security supplemental legislation on the growing security crises.

This week, we will consider separate bills with a structured and germane amendment process to:

•Fund our ally Israel
•Support Ukraine in its war against Russian aggression
•Strengthen our allies in the Indo-Pacific
•Pass additional measures to counter our adversaries and strengthen our national security

Alhena

(3,030 posts)

4. The big uncertainty is whether Dems will vote for "the rule" that will allow the 4 separate votes to take place

Reply to Emrys (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2024, 11:47 PM

Apr 15

Normally, it is nearly unheard of for one party to vote for another party's "rule" - which is a weird House procedural vehicle for bringing a bill to the floor. But MTG and some other Republicans will certainly vote against the rule on this bill, which means that Democrats will have to decide whether to vote for it or not.

Are Democrats really going to say that they allowed Ukraine to get nothing just because they didn't want to vote for a Republican rule?

The only reason I can see that being justifiable is if we think we can get the discharge petition on the Senate bill passed. And that may be more possible now, assuming that Dem progressive holdouts finally decide to sign it because Johnson's bill gives even more money to Israel than the Senate bill, and with less humanitarian relief for Gaza.

So if we can get the discharge petition to work then fine, don't vote for the rule. But if not, then vote for the rule- we can't let Ukraine get nothing.

Emrys

(7,246 posts)

6. Decoupling aid for Israel from aid for UKraine could gain support from those Democratic holdouts

Reply to Alhena (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 15, 2024, 11:56 PM

Apr 15

who so far refused to support the disharge petition. It sounds like Johnson anticipates a lot of amendments to the bills anyway, so this could get messy and protracted.

I hope Biden and Pelosi's legislative experience and wiliness may help things along tactically.

Coventina

(27,129 posts)

5. Moor chaes and division

Reply to Emrys (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2024, 11:55 PM

Apr 15

who benefits?

I think it's a certain Russian is stirring the pot,
You probably know him,, his last name stats with a "p"

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