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Coventina

(27,215 posts)
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 12:17 PM Apr 18

Study: Hunters Die After Consuming CWD-Infected Venison

Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) has been sweeping through North American deer herds since it was first detected at a captive cervid facility in Wyoming in 1967. In all the decades since, there's never been a documented and confirmed instance of the always-fatal neurological disease jumping the species barrier, from cervids into humans. According to a new study, published last week in the journal Neurology, that long-discussed and frequently dreaded transmission of CWD from hunter-harvested deer into human beings might have actually occurred in 2022.

The study title alone is enough to perk the ears of anyone who's followed the CWD epidemic over the years. "Two Hunters from the Same Lodge Afflicted with Sporadic CJD," it reads. "Is Chronic Wasting Disease to Blame?"

The authors go on to highlight "a cluster of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) cases after exposure to chronic wasting disease (CWD)-infected deer." Those findings, they say, are "suggestive of potential prion transmission from CWD-infected deer to humans."

CJD is better known for its association with Mad Cow Disease. Like CWD, mad cow disease is transmitted in cows through mis-folded proteins called prions. And like CWD, it causes a cascade of brain-related maladies that ultimately lead to death in the bovines unlucky enough to contract it. Mad Cow Disease has been shown to transmit to human beings through the consumption of infected beef. When the disease manifests in people, it's referred to as Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/study-hunters-die-consuming-cwd-160020393.html

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I'll bet anyone dollars to donuts that CWD was introduced to that captive population in 1967 by feeding them meat by-products. That's how Mad Cow Disease started, by feeding the cows meat by-products. Herbivores are NOT supposed to eat meat!
But, for some reason that rule of nature was disregarded by humans, and now here we are.

So glad I'm vegetarian!

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Study: Hunters Die After Consuming CWD-Infected Venison (Original Post) Coventina Apr 18 OP
Yup. Probably the same cause. This is something that may be a concern for my old blood center occupation. It may take brewens Apr 18 #1
"Repeatedly Consumed" modrepub Apr 18 #2
Yep. It's weird bc prions aren't alive. Oneironaut Apr 18 #12
Me, I'm happy and healthy at age 72 being a carnivore. I'll take the risk. elocs Apr 18 #3
Me, too PJMcK Apr 18 #9
Like our ape relatives, we are omnivores. wnylib Apr 18 #16
Concerning Marthe48 Apr 18 #4
So how Traildogbob Apr 18 #5
Good questions! And even some vegan magats show signs of wasted brains. erronis Apr 18 #10
I absolutely would not eat deer/elk game in Colorado. Laffy Kat Apr 18 #6
Yup, they fed cattle bone meal TexasBushwhacker Apr 18 #7
I know a vegetarian who died of Mad Carrot Disease. Wonder Why Apr 18 #8
Is that what Trump has? Oneironaut Apr 18 #11
And as a vegetarian, PatSeg Apr 18 #15
They're not the root of all evil. n/t Harker Apr 18 #20
Ha, ha, ha! PatSeg Apr 18 #22
Deer are omnivores. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 18 #13
Although deer prefer to browse in forests, they will eat grass Warpy Apr 18 #14
Yet Ted Nugent still lives. SergeStorms Apr 18 #17
You can send the head of the deer to get tested Farmer-Rick Apr 18 #18
The diseases are not the same Progressive dog Apr 18 #19
If you eat about anything, multigraincracker Apr 18 #21

brewens

(13,631 posts)
1. Yup. Probably the same cause. This is something that may be a concern for my old blood center occupation. It may take
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 12:26 PM
Apr 18

more cases, but this kind of thing could prevent people that have eaten wild deer meat from donating blood.

modrepub

(3,503 posts)
2. "Repeatedly Consumed"
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 01:05 PM
Apr 18

I'd bet these people had a strong anti-government bent in their political opinions. It would also not surprise me if they were warned not to consume any deer they got who had obvious symptoms of this disease and they went a head and did it anyway.

This disease is very similar to the one that affected beef cattle and people who consumed them. Why would you not see the connection between whatever is affecting the animal you're eating and its potential impact on you?

From what I've seen online, its very hard to remove the pathogen once its in the environment. Even burning doesn't seem to remove it. That's why any cattle who have this are immediately euthanized and buried. It will be impossible to do that to wild deer herds. Others have said this has probably spread due to the prevalence of raising and moving deer around for private hunting events. Another activity (controlled hunting) that I do not understand the attraction to.

Oneironaut

(5,530 posts)
12. Yep. It's weird bc prions aren't alive.
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 02:14 PM
Apr 18

They’re just affected protein tissue that become misshapen. When the prion touches other protein tissue, it causes that tissue to become misshapen as well. Cooking it doesn’t matter.

That’s why prions slowly destroy your brain. It’s a slow chain reaction.

elocs

(22,614 posts)
3. Me, I'm happy and healthy at age 72 being a carnivore. I'll take the risk.
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 01:10 PM
Apr 18

Last edited Thu Apr 18, 2024, 02:01 PM - Edit history (1)

Humans evolved to eat meat, to be hypercarnivores for 2 million years before the introduction of modern agriculture.

PJMcK

(22,056 posts)
9. Me, too
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 02:08 PM
Apr 18

I'm six years behind you but I enjoy lots of meats. I eat my vegetables and fruits, too!

wnylib

(21,657 posts)
16. Like our ape relatives, we are omnivores.
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 02:35 PM
Apr 18

Besides meat for protein, our hominin ancestors also collected and ate wild grains, fruits, seeds, roots, and greens, especially when a meat kill was not available. Eventually our ancestors learned to herd and breed their meat sources and to plant and breed their own fruit, vegetable, and grain sources.

Marthe48

(17,047 posts)
4. Concerning
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 01:11 PM
Apr 18

I have relatives who hunt. Sometimes they travel to hunt deer. If they get a deer, they get it tagged and recorded, then turn the carcass over to a meat processing plant that processes game. The company weighs the deer and then process all of the deer they get at the same time together. Each hunter gets back a share of the communally processed meat. It seems like even if you shoot a healthy animal, who's to say everyone did? And who would be able to track infected meat backward from that kind of processing?

Another thing. Many times when the deer meat is processed into sausage, the processors add beef or pork to make the sausage milder flavored. Or they add suet to make the meat moister. I imagine that the meat products from domestic animals is rigorously tested, but I'm kind of glad I haven't had any of the venison :/

Traildogbob

(8,833 posts)
5. So how
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 01:15 PM
Apr 18

Did MAGA become totally infected with Chronic Brain Wasting Disease, CBW?
Potted meat? Or eating all the Bull Shit they are fed from Fox et al? Does Bull Fecal Matter carry the virus?

Laffy Kat

(16,388 posts)
6. I absolutely would not eat deer/elk game in Colorado.
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 01:35 PM
Apr 18

I'm no expert, but I did a research paper on prion diseases years and years ago and what I learned frightened me. I do not even eat beef. It's a terrible way to die, both for victim and family members.

Warpy

(111,383 posts)
14. Although deer prefer to browse in forests, they will eat grass
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 02:27 PM
Apr 18

and that exposes them to the infected droppings from other animals with spongiform encephalitis.

I have to wonder how they persuaded deer to eat meat or how well the deer managed to digest it.

Around here, it's elk populations that are infected.

I've seen 3 cases of the human form of the disease and it is horrendous. Caring for those patients put me at a higher risk of developing it, one of my monsters under the bed when I wake up and can't get back to sleep.

The only good news is that human cases are extremely rare, even among hunters who find it a little too easy to bag that deer and then find out it doesn't have a hell of a lot of meat left on its poor bones.

Farmer-Rick

(10,216 posts)
18. You can send the head of the deer to get tested
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 02:41 PM
Apr 18

Before you eat it to ensure it doesn't have CWD.

I know people who love venison and fill their freezers with it regularly. But they never get it tested. I think that is just very dangerous of them, especially when they are feeding it to their children.

Since I have found out about CWD, I have stopped eating venison.

The last out break of Mad Cow disease in the UK spread because young calves were eating prion-infected meat-and-bone meal. Cows don't get BSE from being near other cows that have it. But it can be transmitted through the food supply.

Progressive dog

(6,921 posts)
19. The diseases are not the same
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 02:51 PM
Apr 18

The prions differ between the diseases. A diagnosis of CJD is based on testing for which prion caused the disease.

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