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EndlessWire

(6,573 posts)
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 01:11 PM Apr 18

When will the DA

ask the Judge to put Trump in jail due to jury tampering? Why doesn't he cut to the chase? It seems to me that the Judge responds to such requests with a decision. Why wait?

I don't blame Juror No. 2 one bit. What more does she have to see?

I think that because the Judge had to let her go, it was directly due to Trump's postings on "Truth" Social and that is a powerful reason to fully gag him by putting him in jail for contempt of court. So what if his base doesn't like it?

And, we know from history that Trump will file crazy, jaw dropping complaints to the Appellate court. So, as long as J. Merchan is within his rights and duty, he could put him in jail to protect the jury. That's his job.

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onenote

(42,779 posts)
2. Maybe he'll wait until Trump does something that actually is jury tampering
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 02:16 PM
Apr 18

My guess is that you, like a number of posters, haven't any idea how NY law defines jury tampering. For example, while you say juror #2 wanted to be excused was "directly due to Trump's postings on Truth Social" I doubt the DA has evidence that would support that claim. Juror #2 didn't specifically cite Trump's tweet or even Watters' posts, so it would be a hard case to make.

Trump can and should be sanctioned for violating the gag order. He can and should be fined, but the judge isn't going to jail him --- something that would require a separate hearing -- the judge cannot summarily jail Trump for violating the gag order outside the courtroom.

EndlessWire

(6,573 posts)
3. Guess away.
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 04:53 PM
Apr 18

"I doubt the DA has evidence that would support that claim. Juror #2 didn't specifically cite Trump's tweet or even Watters' posts, so it would be a hard case to make." Well, you don't know either. Plus, you don't know exactly what she told the Judge.

Never said that he should be summarily arrested. I said that the DA should ask the Judge for the sanction of arrest. Violating the gag order is a type of obstruction of justice, which can be indirect jury tampering. The Judge will not do anything unless the DA tells him what he wants. But, there will be Judge threats of that punishment.

I don't think that Judge Merchan has lost control of his courtroom. But, I do think that Trump is skirting the edges, because he thinks so much of himself. He is pretty sure that he can do this stuff, although the rest of us see it as a violation of the gag order--which can be sanctioned with jail time for contempt of court. So, let's settle for that, shall we? Trump could be charged in a whole other trial with jury tampering. It is a very big deal. As it is, trump managed to get rid of a seated juror. Apparently, her family and friends brought the risk up to her:

Jesse Watters: “They are catching undercover Liberal Activists lying to the Judge in order to get on the Trump Jury.” Well, she was a sitting juror. This was reposted by Trump. This puts her in the awkward position of, "do I convict or let him go?" and unless she lives under a rock, Trump has a rep for stirring up violence. Witness Paul Pelosi. I don't blame her for wanting to avoid this problem. If the Judge can protect the jury, he should do what he is legally allowed to do, regardless of a Trump appeal. He already has this gag order on appeal. The Appellates should be apprised of Trump's actions.

onenote

(42,779 posts)
4. Actually we do know what Juror #2 told the judge: the discussion was in open court.
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 06:15 PM
Apr 18

My apologies for suggesting you were advocating summary imprisonment. Quite a few posters here have suggested that the judge can and should immediately send trump to jail, but I shouldn't have lumped you in with them.

My consistent position is that Trump can and should be sanctioned for violating -- multiple times -- the gag order. My guess is that the judge will agree that some, if not all, of the statements cited by the prosecution, violated the gag order and he will imposed the maximum fine -- $1000 -- for each such statement. The judge won't seek to impose a jail penalty at this point. But I agree he will warn Trump that the next time he violates the gag order he could be facing a night or two in jail. The judge also may revoke Trump's right of access to the jurors' names -- I think that's a 50/50 proposition. In any event, we'll have some answers on Tuesday.

Hopefully, the appellate division will deny Trump's appeal of the gag order. Again, time will tell.

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