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Wuddles440

(1,127 posts)
9. Ignored by the media...
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 08:40 AM
Apr 19

because it involved white, right wing, domestic terrorists - not the stereotypical terrorists they prefer!

Old Crank

(3,622 posts)
2. Now the strategy is to intimidate at every level
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 07:56 AM
Apr 19

School boards, libraries, city hall. Show up screaming and waving guns to get what you want.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,787 posts)
3. I was in Oklahoma City in 2009.
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 08:02 AM
Apr 19

I walked through the memorial and museum. I saw the chairs, imagined the Pulitizer Prize winning photograph of the fireman holding the fatally wounded baby, Bailey. A somber place and moment caused by extremist violence. Hard to forget that moment in time and the scars it still carries with it.

I was also in Dallas, Texas days afterwards at Dealy Plaza. As if time stood still.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
4. It should also be recalled that the usual RW news outlets tried to spin...
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 08:04 AM
Apr 19

...it as having all the "earmarks" of Islamic terrorists -- until a sketch of the blond, unbearded suspect (soon known to be McVeigh) went out.

LeftInTX

(25,526 posts)
20. Yes. Every news outlet thought it was Islamic
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 11:54 AM
Apr 19

Last edited Fri Apr 19, 2024, 01:07 PM - Edit history (1)

When they found out he was white, everyone was kinda shocked,
However, the media did shift to homegrown terrorism, McVeigh's past and what motivated him.

One thing that pissed me of in the media was the RW mouth piece about McVeigh's motivation, "Waco, Ruby Ridge". That really pissed me off that the RW had a voice in the MSM. If he was Islamic, no one would make excuses for him.

Doc Sportello

(7,528 posts)
6. The bombing was up close and personal for hundreds of thousands
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 08:26 AM
Apr 19

Not just because it was a clear, still day that could be heard up to 30 miles away, or that it happened in their metro area. One later study showed that hundreds of thousands either knew somebody or had a connection with someone directly affected by the bombing. I was a former co-worker of Ronald Harding, who worked in the Social Security office and was killed in the blast. He was a kind man and extremely talented musician with a twin brother.

https://memorialmuseum.com/experience/people/ronald-vernon-harding-sr/

Thanks for posting so that people don't forget.

yardwork

(61,700 posts)
7. I knew people who were friends and colleagues of those killed.
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 08:33 AM
Apr 19

It was heartbreaking. The media make a big deal out of 9/11 - as they should - but this devastating act of domestic terrorism is not remembered.

Aristus

(66,446 posts)
16. No kidding.
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 10:16 AM
Apr 19

I lost a cousin in the bombing. I never met him or knew him or anything. It wasn't like that. But he was family.

Puppyjive

(506 posts)
10. I was stationed there
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 08:44 AM
Apr 19

It was awful. A life changing event. If you didn't know anyone who died, you knew their relatives. I remember taking a sociology course in college and learned about white supremacy. It never left my mind. How could this kind of horror exist in the US? It was my gut instinct that it was a domestic issue. Everyone was trying to blame terrorist groups. I've been back to OKC several times since I got out of the service in 1997. It's a somber memory. I matured in that state. Thank god I don't have their political views. Bless my Oklahoma.

JT45242

(2,286 posts)
12. The FBI did not dig deep into who pushed the buttons
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 09:12 AM
Apr 19

We all know McVeigh drove the truck.

But many have wondered if he and Terry were really smart enough to arrange plans and logistics. The FBI, as per usual, did not dig deeply into the white supremacy roots of what they did.

Far too many people sympathetic to white supremacy in law enforcement.

Puppyjive

(506 posts)
17. Not following you
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 10:18 AM
Apr 19

There are extremists on the left and the right. Conspiracy becomes reality for many. I believe critical thinking gives us reason beyond the conspiracies. The ability to make educated decisions. The ability to understand truth, decipher between fact and propaganda. Social media has shown us what we didn't know before. We have segments of our society that lack critical thinking skills, and it is much more than we ever knew. These people, unable to get their seat at the table, resort to violence. It's really unfortunate.

Ford_Prefect

(7,918 posts)
14. The FBI and others chose to ignore information they had before and after the event about who and how widely spread the
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 10:13 AM
Apr 19

plot was. They particularly ignored white supremacist connections where they had informers or contacts, and they obscured how it was paid for. IMO they thought protecting their sources was more important than showing the wider web of militia connections which would at that time force them to take the militia movement as a serious terrorist threat rather than as a bunch of home grown malcontents.

spike jones

(1,686 posts)
18. The FBI dug deep enough to find the bottom. Read "Homegrown" by Jeffery Toobin.
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 10:25 AM
Apr 19

But to question McVeigh's intellect is valid. He was caught a couple hours after the blast because he was driving the get-away car without a license plate. He was charged with the bombing later.

Passages

(146 posts)
19. I remember.
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 11:28 AM
Apr 19

Hopefully it will never happen again. I believe Trump will be defeated, what happens when he loses again, it worries me too.
The violence may be worse than last time.

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