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?w=596&quality=80&ssl=1Its stunning that we just take for granted that people serving on a jury for a trial of a former President should simply expect to get avalanches of death threats from his supporters. What are we even doing here?
If the presidential candidate on whose behalf this was being done refused to condemn it, that would be bad enough. But the fact that we all know he enjoys it, is mind blowing. What citizen of a democracy, in their right mind, would vote for such a person?
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BlueKota
(1,774 posts)They've either lost their minds or never had them to begin with. They are easily manipulated by power hungry leaders with intelligence but no conscience. They tell the sheeple what they want to hear, and the sheeple obey their orders without question.
Tree Lady
(11,484 posts)4-13 few days ago, found out she moved near area we were visiting.
Both of us were happy to see each other, then my husband made a joke about Trump. I had assumed based on the very liberal cities she lived in that she was on the left. Not so, she laughed and said I love Trump. She meant it. I would have loved to ask her more but knew it wasn't the time. We agreed to meet in the future alone.
I don't know much about her life the last 50 years that led her to Trump. Wasn't religion, wasn't money. From a few things she said about not liking anyone telling her what to do, she probably likes the rebellious part of him. It's so weird how these women can't see what he is doing to women.
maxsolomon
(33,384 posts)Adult-Onset Oppositional Defiance Disorder.
BlueKota
(1,774 posts)There is one guy who I have known since kindergarten. He ended up dating my best friend in high-school, and a group of us hung out together. Although he and my friend broke up, and neither of us hear from her now, I am friends with him on Facebook. I did manage to talk him out of voting for Trump again, but not into voting Biden. I don't know why he can't see that President Biden is a good man doing a good job.
Another guy, who was like a son to my late dad, and I love him like a brother, but his actual brother, turned him into a Trumper and he gets defensive about it, so I just don't mention politics when he visits. It upsets me though because his son, whom we also love is gay, and I want to scream at the Dad, "don't you understan people like Trump hate gay people and want to hurt them," but I don't want to cause a family feud.
I agree it's hard to understand why people like your friend who say they resent authority don't understand if the U.S. becomes a true dictatorship, everyone will have far less freedom not more?
Tree Lady
(11,484 posts)I would have asked her more but my husband gets heated up about the government not just Trump and I was afraid he might say something weird.
She used to live in Santa Cruz CA for a long time why I thought she was on the left. Totally liberal beach town full of old hippies and yuppies.
DFW
(54,436 posts)As the Bard would say, "therein lies the rub...."
It's not as though a majority of his demented supporters have minds worthy of the name...
shrike3
(3,742 posts)I'm not surprised.
DFW
(54,436 posts)Batshits attract, or something like that.
0rganism
(23,967 posts)President Biden should look into this problem during his second term.
DFW
(54,436 posts)If the Republicans haven't abolished it in the meantime.
young_at_heart
(3,772 posts)It's only the Republican party......they need to own this depraved position! I, for one, am absolutely livid about this!! I think, I hope, many others agree!!
Ping Tung
(649 posts)non-Aryans
Women who demand to think for themselves
People who question the glories of capitalism and consumption
People who dare to think that their sex lives are their own business
Non evangelical Christians
People that don't think that guns are blessed by God and sacred
etc
etc
etc
For claiming that their tough, individualistic, people that demand independence they sure are afraid of almost everything.
Until they need something from government. Then government should spring fully formed from the brow of Zeus.
Irish_Dem
(47,326 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 19, 2024, 04:53 PM - Edit history (2)
Completely normal.
jalan48
(13,881 posts)This isn't the old days of finding common ground over debates on issues, it's about eradicating the evil leftists whose ideology has taken over the country and needs to be erased along with those that espouse it. I'm not sure most Americans get this.
Justice matters.
(6,939 posts)They want to pay zero taxes (and in many cases, they get millions in returns while not paying a penny).
johnnyfins
(828 posts)hibbing
(10,109 posts)Warpy
(111,332 posts)Some are upper middle class men, blinded by greed and desperate to pay no taxes.
Some are religious nuts who think he's the second coming.
Some are religious nuts who think he's the Antichrist, he'll start lobbing nukes and the blast waves will knock Jebus off his heavenly throne and force him to come back and git 'em raptured.
Some are hero worshippers, addicted to the group high they get from pep rallies for hate.
And some are so twisted up with hate they'd vote for all of the above, as long as people with darker skin will get starved enough they'll stop having all those babies.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,034 posts)Their empathy and morals have eroded, while their love of power at any cost has risen.
Mr.Bill
(24,317 posts)Well, for starters, the ones who would like to carry out his threats.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,407 posts)Newt Gingrich set the Republican party on this path.
BComplex
(8,063 posts)Why? Why do they allow enemy propaganda on our airwaves?
moondust
(20,002 posts)struck me again last night as I watched "The Zone of Interest" about the upwardly mobile Nazi commandant of Auschwitz and his family living their dream life just over the wall from the camp where screams could sometimes be heard in the distance and smoke was billowing.
Normalizing evil doesn't happen overnight.
maxsolomon
(33,384 posts)Don't let them off the hook.
They know he's a bad person, but they think Dems and our policies are worse. They love him because he infuriates us.
Caliman73
(11,744 posts)I think it can be easy and tempting to simply say, "They're stupid" or "They're evil", or some other sort of dismissive or exclusionary statement. We tend to do that with people who commit acts of violence. We say, "That person is crazy" or "He's deranged", and yes people who commit acts of violence are falling outside the typical range of behavior in society. They do somewhat separate themselves from what the average person does.
Here is how I see it, and this in no way excuses or condones the damage people are doing by even entertaining the idea of putting someone like Trump back into ANY position with power.
A lot of people have been sold an idea of America that is both toxic and mythological. While our foundational documents talk about "All" and often discuss "We the People", there has always been a faction of people, typically the wealthy White people who benefit most from the products of the labor of everyone else, who have limited WHO has the rights and privileges of America.
Wealthy people have used this idea of "the Real America" or "Making America Great" to divide people, typically by race and often by gender so that the real divide, the divide between people who have money and power, and those who do not; is never the focus. Black people aren't "real Americans". Feminists aren't "real Americans". Immigrants are "invading" and trying to destroy America. Liberals want to destroy America. They set up these artificial divides to hide the true divide. Being on a particular team becomes more important than being part of a functioning society.
Economically, those of us who aren't earning high six figure salaries and who own properties that give us passive income; struggle. We feel the pinch. We know emotionally and practically that the system isn't working for us. We look for answers and we (at least those of us on the Liberal and further left side of the political spectrum) realize that it isn't a matter of "not enough resources to go around" but it is the distribution of resources. People at the top of the wealth distribution have all kinds of benefits and privileges that we do not. In finance, in law, in social power they move through society with impunity paying a lower percentage of their income in taxes, saving on fees, being able to afford attorneys with more time and expertise to solve legal problems, etc... They typically acheive these advantages by ownership of the resources we all need to make our living. Many if not most, did not work for these advantages from zero, but there is a mythology that they got to where they are because they are simply "better".
What separates us from our Conservative fellow citizens is how we attribute the problems in our country and the solutions. We all feel there is something wrong, but the causes and solutions are fundamentally different Liberals and those further left will tend to see greed and systemic corruption as causes of problems. Some people have way too much and are "hoarding" wealth. They use their wealth to influence the laws and the lawmakers to keep things as they are, to allow the wealth to accumulate disproportionally at the top. If the distribution of wealth and opportunity was more equitable then people would have enough and the wealthy would likely still be very rich, just not insanely wealthy. But of course, that is not enough for the insanely wealthy. They want ALL the money and ALL the power to dictate to the rest of us.
Conservatives are being told, and believe that the problems in society are caused not by the accumulation of wealth into very few hands at the top leading to false scarcity for the rest of us, but because they believe that "undeserving" people (Black people, Immigrants, women, LGBTQ people, etc...) get "special" privileges that take scarce resources from the "hardworking real Americans" that happen to look and think just like they do. They buy into the idea that you are rich because you are special and you deserve to be able to take all the resources for yourself and leave the rest of us to fight for the scraps. They think that Black and Brown people, that women, that LGBTQ people all game the system and that there is some nefarious plot to "destroy Western Civilization", and many of them attribute said "nefarious plot" to Cultural Marxism, which is just a way to say that "Jews are controlling it". They are susceptible, because of this mindset, to demagogues like Trump, who come in and actually say the horrible things out in the open.
We, Liberals and more left people talk about systems and inequalities and people like Trump and Greene come out and say, "Black people are lazy and criminal" "Brown people are simultaneously lazy and all on welfare AND they are stealing all the jobs". "Gay and Trans people are turning your kids into deviants" and all these lies are the actual cause of your problems. It isn't that 400 families in the US control more than half the wealth in the country. It isn't that 10% of the population of this country have almost 90% of the income and assets leaving the other 90% of us to try to live off of 10% to 20% of what we all produce. No. It's women, gays, Blacks, Browns, and immigrants.
The pain is real and has a real cause. The people on the other side have just bought into the lie. They have bought into the less logical, less factual, and more pernicious attribution to our problems. That is why citizens of a democracy would vote for such a person. They are not operating under the same reality and set of facts that the rest of us are.