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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,170 posts)
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 02:54 PM Apr 19

Judge Agrees to Give Donald Trump Access to Private Information

Former President Donald Trump and his legal team were granted access to private information by the judge presiding over his criminal case in New York after more than one juror expressed concern about their identities being revealed.

Judge Juan Merchan sided with Trump's attorneys on Thursday, agreeing that it was "necessary" for counsel to know the current and previous employers of the potential jurors, but that those details did not need to be publicized by the press.

Prosecutors for the Manhattan District Attorney's office had suggested that jurors no longer answer two of the "most identifying" questions on the list. Those questions, 3A and 3, asked "Who is your current employer?" and "Who was your prior employer?"

Trump returned to the Manhattan Criminal Court on Thursday to continue the jury selection process in the hush money case. Seven jurors had been selected for the trial on Tuesday, but before any more were added Thursday, one of the seven informed the court they could not be fair and impartial. The juror said that friends and family had since questioned her about being on the jury, and that it had impacted her ability to decide the case.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/judge-agrees-to-give-donald-trump-access-to-private-information/ar-AA1nggAE

I don't remember that info being provided when I did jury duty. I think I was asked what I currently did for a living as part of the voir dire but that was it.

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Judge Agrees to Give Donald Trump Access to Private Information (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 19 OP
Last time I did jury duty, they asked my employer and eventually, my wife's employer unblock Apr 19 #1
I don't know how anyone else feels... dchill Apr 19 #2
The Constitution says otherwise. onenote Apr 19 #3
Well, everyone knows that the... dchill Apr 19 #4
It is, according to a majority Mr.Bill Apr 19 #14
yes the judge needs to be careful - he doesn't want to give them grounds for appeal TBF Apr 19 #6
Let's start with this. I agrre with you and the SC,. BUT bluestarone Apr 19 #23
One consequence might be an interlocutory appeal and a suspension of the trial until the issue is resolved onenote Apr 19 #33
TY. So many bad things could take place bluestarone Apr 19 #35
I agree. The judge is making a big mistake. Irish_Dem Apr 19 #5
I would very much like to agree with you, BUT bluestarone Apr 19 #9
Probably OK with the SC if Trump gets the jury killed or terrified. Irish_Dem Apr 19 #10
Won't agrue that point. bluestarone Apr 19 #11
Here's what worries me. ShazzieB Apr 19 #20
How do you strip him of that right Zeitghost Apr 19 #17
Saving the lives of the jury is the judge's job. Irish_Dem Apr 19 #21
Okay Zeitghost Apr 19 #26
+1 onenote Apr 19 #31
Should the prosecution get information that can be used to vet the jurors? onenote Apr 19 #34
No matter how much the judge caves to them, it will be appealed. Boomerproud Apr 19 #7
Dear God orangecrush Apr 19 #8
So, how long before Bettie Apr 19 #12
Mr. Waters will probably have that info tonight durablend Apr 19 #22
While required by SCOTUS ruling angrychair Apr 19 #13
Is this what the judge really said... StarryNite Apr 19 #15
Would the judge give out names of jurors in a case involving a Mafia Don? kimbutgar Apr 19 #16
I'm afraid I agree with the judge on this one. snot Apr 19 #18
Who is on trial here, the jurors or Trump? Emile Apr 19 #19
Amen! Ziggysmom Apr 19 #24
People need to remember, the deck is well stacked in favor of defendants ripcord Apr 19 #25
Well, if there are any leaks, we'll know where they came from TexasBushwhacker Apr 19 #27
If Trump's lawyers get that information it will be shared with Trump and he will doc03 Apr 19 #28
Did he warn Trump and the attorneys NOT to give it out to Fox or Truth Social? Owens Apr 19 #29
In my community here are some sample jobs the press could leak GreenWave Apr 19 #30
I Was Asked What I Did, Before Retirement ProfessorGAC Apr 19 #32

unblock

(52,309 posts)
1. Last time I did jury duty, they asked my employer and eventually, my wife's employer
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 03:02 PM
Apr 19

I was dismissed because she worked for an insurance company. The case involved a car accident and an unrelated insurance company, but I guess they figured that was enough to make them not want me on the jury.

dchill

(38,521 posts)
2. I don't know how anyone else feels...
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 03:03 PM
Apr 19

...but I think the "Trump team" has lost the right to know that information. So has Fox News.

TBF

(32,086 posts)
6. yes the judge needs to be careful - he doesn't want to give them grounds for appeal
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 03:32 PM
Apr 19

over something like this

bluestarone

(17,025 posts)
23. Let's start with this. I agrre with you and the SC,. BUT
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 05:29 PM
Apr 19

I also agree with Irish-Dem. So Let's say the judge ruled that They get NO PRIVATE info. What would, could be the consequences of such a ruling? If appealed, what could happen? Just curious as to what the results could be. TY

onenote

(42,748 posts)
33. One consequence might be an interlocutory appeal and a suspension of the trial until the issue is resolved
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 06:30 PM
Apr 19

Obviously, that ship already has sailed in this case. But imagine for a moment that Judge Chutkan wanted to deny Trump and his attorneys access to juror background information in the Jan 6 trial. If that order didn't also apply to the prosecution, the prosecution would be opposed -- and so should we -- if it was denied information that would let it vet the jurors. And if only Trump's side was denied access, there are two likely outcomes: the defense brings an interlocutory challenge that results in the trial being stayed until defendant's right to access to information about the jurors was litigated. If, as is likely, the court ruled that denying the defense but not the prosecution access to such information denied the defendant the right to fair trial, the remedy would be to remand the case to go back to square one -- empaneling a new jury. If the challenge wasn't brought on an interlocutory basis the remedy could be the reversal of a guilty verdict if that is what the jury reaches.

bluestarone

(17,025 posts)
35. TY. So many bad things could take place
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 06:39 PM
Apr 19

Worse part is IF the defense did leak, it will be almost impossible to prove. I trust NONE of these assholes.

Irish_Dem

(47,326 posts)
5. I agree. The judge is making a big mistake.
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 03:14 PM
Apr 19

Trump and his attorney should be losing the right to have private jury information.

bluestarone

(17,025 posts)
9. I would very much like to agree with you, BUT
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 03:37 PM
Apr 19

His hands are tied, because of previous SC rulings. He DID rule that it's not to be made public by news groups, but we,ll see where that leads to. I don't know how that works, BUT i feel the judge would have preferred to NOT give that info. (Don't want to give any appeal opportunities here at all.

Irish_Dem

(47,326 posts)
10. Probably OK with the SC if Trump gets the jury killed or terrified.
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 03:39 PM
Apr 19

They think that is fine I am sure.

ShazzieB

(16,497 posts)
20. Here's what worries me.
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 04:56 PM
Apr 19
He DID rule that it's not to be made public by news groups, but we,ll see where that leads to.


I wonder how long it will be before Sir Fartsalot makes this information public by posting it on Lies Social?

You know he'll be itching to do it, and his history of poor to nonexistent impulse control points to that likelihood. I sure hope Merchan will be ready to bring the hammer down on him HARD when/if it happens!

Zeitghost

(3,867 posts)
17. How do you strip him of that right
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 04:18 PM
Apr 19

Without also stripping us of the same rights?

What due process has been afforded to him prior to stripping those rights away?



Irish_Dem

(47,326 posts)
21. Saving the lives of the jury is the judge's job.
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 04:56 PM
Apr 19

Their right to live is more important than Trump getting paperwork.

If a US judge thinks Trump getting a piece of paper and personal information
about the jury is more important than saving their lives, we are all really screwed.

The judge will have to live with his decision if anyone gets hurt.

I hope the families hold him personally accountable.

Zeitghost

(3,867 posts)
26. Okay
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 05:38 PM
Apr 19

None of that answers my question. The court is not allowed to punish Trump (or anyone) on hypothetical crimes that are assumed will take place in the future.

That's a good thing.

onenote

(42,748 posts)
31. +1
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 06:18 PM
Apr 19

I'm pretty sure a lot of DUers would lose their shit if Cannon refuses to allow Jack Smith access to information about potential jurors making it all but impossible for him to screen out obvious Trumpers.

onenote

(42,748 posts)
34. Should the prosecution get information that can be used to vet the jurors?
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 06:32 PM
Apr 19

Because no appellate court is going to uphold an uneven approach where the prosecution can vet jurors but the defense can't. And we should be very concerned if the prosecution is denied access to such information. Imagine what Judge Cannon might do in the classified documents case.

Bettie

(16,121 posts)
12. So, how long before
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 03:40 PM
Apr 19

their identities are "accidentally" given to Fox or whatever other right wing organization want them? And how long after that before the Jurors and their families begin to be terrorized?

angrychair

(8,733 posts)
13. While required by SCOTUS ruling
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 03:47 PM
Apr 19

I see this all devolving into a hung jury as trump allies increase pressure on the jury to get them to drop out.

StarryNite

(9,459 posts)
15. Is this what the judge really said...
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 04:09 PM
Apr 19

"but that those details did not need to be publicized by the press."? Or did he say the press cannot publicize "those details"? Because there is a big difference between the two.

kimbutgar

(21,181 posts)
16. Would the judge give out names of jurors in a case involving a Mafia Don?
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 04:13 PM
Apr 19

I fear something bad will happen to these jurors or their families. I consider his decision BS and dangerous. The jury needs to be anonymous in this case. IF anything happens to any of the jurors the fault will be on the judge!

snot

(10,530 posts)
18. I'm afraid I agree with the judge on this one.
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 04:44 PM
Apr 19

I sat on a jury once, and it was a nightmare because 3 of the jurors persistently drew on their employment experience in deciding the case, even though that was against the rules. The case involved a car accident, and the 3 jurors worked in the insurance industry and were convinced that the injured plaintiff in our case was lying, even though there was considerable evidence, which the rest of us found credible, that the plaintiff was telling the truth and zero evidence to the contrary.

I just hope the judge is prepared and has the authority to slam Trump and his lawyers with severe penalties if any info shared with them is improperly leaked.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,211 posts)
27. Well, if there are any leaks, we'll know where they came from
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 05:39 PM
Apr 19

I can see where current or former employers may matter, but I don't really see how this would be one of those times unless the person worked for the Trump Org or for one of the hundreds of contractors he's stiffed.

doc03

(35,363 posts)
28. If Trump's lawyers get that information it will be shared with Trump and he will
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 05:42 PM
Apr 19

give it to every right wing network.

GreenWave

(6,765 posts)
30. In my community here are some sample jobs the press could leak
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 05:58 PM
Apr 19

"I work for the CIA".
"I worked at Area 51"

Believe it or not, they are the minority here.

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