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Silent3

(15,259 posts)
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 07:35 PM Apr 19

I do not fucking care if Trump *imagines* being locked up would be "good" for him

Anyone else would be in behind bars by now for his violations of gag orders and courtroom antics.

Not treating Trump like everyone else just because "Well, he WANTS to be jailed, so that's why we won't do it!" is a piss poor excuse for letting someone shit all over our legal system and make a mockery out of the process. Any other reason for treading lightly with Trump is just cowardice about the political consequences.

Further, I also expect, no matter what fantasies Trump may or may not have about behind-bars martyrdom, he'd be climbing the wall crazy in 30 minutes or less once the reality hit home. It's FAR past time he gets that lesson.

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I do not fucking care if Trump *imagines* being locked up would be "good" for him (Original Post) Silent3 Apr 19 OP
his secret service squad might set him to the right path. they dont wanna be in jail either nt msongs Apr 19 #1
Easy to imagine his detail resorting to slipping him a mickie in his diet coke just to make him behave. Attilatheblond Apr 19 #7
I have heard speculation that this is happening now. Shipwack Apr 19 #14
He is also deliberately making a show of... Think. Again. Apr 20 #29
When he crosses his arms...THAT is a defense mechanism of his when he has lost control. ProudMNDemocrat Apr 20 #35
I would imagine his secret service detail follows him to sleasier places than a jail. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 20 #32
The SS won't be in jail NanaCat Apr 20 #33
Who is saying this? Ohio Joe Apr 19 #2
Who is saying what? That Trump is getting away with shit few others, if no one else, would? Silent3 Apr 19 #4
Sorry, no... I'll be more precise Ohio Joe Apr 19 #8
Citation? Not that I know of off hand Silent3 Apr 19 #10
So... Ohio Joe Apr 19 #12
That wasn't meant as a literal quote Silent3 Apr 19 #13
That's okay, Silent3 EndlessWire Apr 19 #22
I think he will get a $7,000 fine EndlessWire Apr 19 #20
I sure Hope if he goes on he Will end up in Jail for even a short time... electric_blue68 Apr 20 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author electric_blue68 Apr 20 #25
I hate the fact that a fine like that is the expected next step, because we all know $7000 is meaningless... Silent3 Apr 20 #37
It can not be about what Trump wants or doesn't want. Irish_Dem Apr 19 #3
Lock his fat ass up for fuck's sake Blue Owl Apr 19 #5
His 'all hell will break loose' threats remind me of a 3 or 4 year old threatening Attilatheblond Apr 19 #6
My mom was always one step ahead of me and always seem to know exactly what to counter with.... usaf-vet Apr 19 #19
My Mother packed me a lunch. Permanut Apr 20 #26
My mum did better than that with her nephew NanaCat Apr 20 #34
Give the Secret Service a break and jail the bum. C_U_L8R Apr 19 #9
It is a testable hypothesis, so there is no reason to imagine. Let's do it RockRaven Apr 19 #11
Post removed Post removed Apr 19 #15
Hello again. What flavour pizza today? niyad Apr 19 #16
Heh... I missed the trolls post but... Ohio Joe Apr 19 #21
One of our resident trolls is out of hibernation again. niyad Apr 19 #23
niyad, your radar is working perfectly. Permanut Apr 20 #27
There are times that I want to tell them, "Do get a new schtick, dearie, niyad Apr 20 #31
264 days at Landsberg sounds about right. Harker Apr 19 #17
I think he'll be scared shitless if he has to go to jail. ToxMarz Apr 19 #18
Make it happen. He is on trial as a criminal, not POTUS. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 20 #28
Not enforcing standards and laws in such a high-profile case... Think. Again. Apr 20 #30
TFG is delusional LetMyPeopleVote Apr 20 #36

Attilatheblond

(2,197 posts)
7. Easy to imagine his detail resorting to slipping him a mickie in his diet coke just to make him behave.
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 07:46 PM
Apr 19

Or... his lawyers.

Shipwack

(2,170 posts)
14. I have heard speculation that this is happening now.
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 09:47 PM
Apr 19

Some have suggested that the reason he keeps falling asleep in trial is because he is being sedated to prevent him from doing his antics...

As for myself, I find it simpler to believe that:

1) He's incredibly bored
2) He tunes out when he starts hearing unpleasant things about himself
3) Since he's not allowed to use his phone, or recieves printouts of flattering messages, he's not getting the constant dopamine hits he usually recieves

Think. Again.

(8,363 posts)
29. He is also deliberately making a show of...
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 06:09 AM
Apr 20

...his complete disrespect and disregard for the legal system.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
35. When he crosses his arms...THAT is a defense mechanism of his when he has lost control.
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 09:45 AM
Apr 20

He did that a lot when he was in the WH when advisers got the better of him. That says he does not want to hear the truth, and that the truth is what HE says it is. It shows just how insecure he is about situations and history.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,363 posts)
32. I would imagine his secret service detail follows him to sleasier places than a jail.
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 09:21 AM
Apr 20

That's gotta be a shitty posting for those agents.

NanaCat

(1,231 posts)
33. The SS won't be in jail
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 09:31 AM
Apr 20

Anymore than prison guards are. They all get to leave after their shift ends.

Snooze Criminal wouldn't get to leave.

Big bloody difference.

Silent3

(15,259 posts)
4. Who is saying what? That Trump is getting away with shit few others, if no one else, would?
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 07:41 PM
Apr 19

I think that's simply blindingly obvious, but here's one recent reference for you:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218877591

Ohio Joe

(21,761 posts)
8. Sorry, no... I'll be more precise
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 07:47 PM
Apr 19

I meant the part you put it quotes:

because "Well, he WANTS to be jailed, so that's why we won't do it!"

Who said that? Is there a cite for that quote?

Silent3

(15,259 posts)
10. Citation? Not that I know of off hand
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 08:01 PM
Apr 19

It's something I remember hearing a number of times, but my memory of the sources fails me.

I suppose it might not be true, but it's the kind of false bravado I expect from Trump, so I never thought to doubt it.

Ohio Joe

(21,761 posts)
12. So...
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 08:43 PM
Apr 19

I get it, I do. I’m as angry as anyone but I won’t let it override justice. The quote:

“Well, he WANTS to be jailed, so that's why we won't do it!"

This does not come across as from tfg but rather someone in the justice system.

One thing to keep in mind is that a violation in one case cannot be applied in another. He has multiple violations that will be addressed Tuesday. I expect the result will be a warning and some 1k ( the max allowed) fines. People will howl at what he’s being allowed to get away with… Yup. It’s with purpose.

He will violate the order again… No doubt. He has no self control. I expect he will a second time be given fines… Step by step…

It will not be until the third time he violates the order that he will be jailed.

This is what kills him. His magat cultists will stay with him no matter what… Moderate pukes? Not so much… They won’t vote for Biden but neither for tfg. Independents will flee tfg like the plague and vote Dem up and down the ballot.

It’s a tough slog but the right way to do it.

And make no mistake… His false bravado about being jailed is only that… False. He will wet himself when faced with it.

Silent3

(15,259 posts)
13. That wasn't meant as a literal quote
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 09:12 PM
Apr 19

That was merely a characterization of the apparent general attitude of many in the legal system, as described in that other post I linked to. These are quotation marks were used to indicate "as if to say", not literal transcription.

EndlessWire

(6,562 posts)
20. I think he will get a $7,000 fine
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 10:53 PM
Apr 19

and a dire warning: NEXT time you will be sent to lockup.

I don't think this case will last long enough to accommodate an escalating fine schedule. Otherwise, he can affect the jury. So, depending what he does next, he could find himself in jail.

electric_blue68

(14,932 posts)
24. I sure Hope if he goes on he Will end up in Jail for even a short time...
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 02:32 AM
Apr 20

(Don't we all [eventually for a longer time] pretty much except MAGAT's)

With his Post-pResidency continuous barrage of lies, malicious, and malevolent comments, and screeds (whether actually written by him, or most likely what he would say if he was more articulate); not to mention the damage he caused as pResident!...

Some Consequences have to start somewhere!!!!!

Gah!!!!!

(get my aggravation out, and return to a more positive state of mind 👍 )

Response to EndlessWire (Reply #20)

Silent3

(15,259 posts)
37. I hate the fact that a fine like that is the expected next step, because we all know $7000 is meaningless...
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 04:59 PM
Apr 20

...to Trump. He can complain on social media about how "unfair" it is, and get high multiples of the fine amount in donations. That's on top of the fact that, no matter how broke Trump really is, we know he can easily come up with $7000 of his own money too.

Attilatheblond

(2,197 posts)
6. His 'all hell will break loose' threats remind me of a 3 or 4 year old threatening
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 07:44 PM
Apr 19

'I'll hold my breath until I die, they YOU'LL be sorry!' It is impotent rage combined with ignorance.

My mom was great with kids, she really enjoyed them, but she was a wall when she needed to be. She knew boundaries kept kids safe, and as kids grow, you move boundaries to allow more freedom so kids can grow.

Once saw a kid try the 'hold my breath until I die' threat with my mom. She shrugged, and gave a lesson about physiology: 'Nope, that won't work. You might manage to hold your breath a long time, but eventually, you would faint and start breathing.' Then, she stepped away and engaged in some fun activity. People puppies ALWAYS want to do the stuff others are having fun with.

usaf-vet

(6,202 posts)
19. My mom was always one step ahead of me and always seem to know exactly what to counter with....
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 10:40 PM
Apr 19

.... I must have been 9 or 10 when I threatened to leave home for good and never come back. I had my Tom Sawyer stick with a wrapped handkerchief on the end.

I was standing at the back door and telling her I'M GOING! She calmly said well, I'm sorry, but if you must go. You'll have to leave the home the same way you came in it. I asked what does that mean. She said you were naked when you first came home. So leave your clothes here. You'll be naked when you leave. Years later, I learned what that move was...CHECKMATE!

NanaCat

(1,231 posts)
34. My mum did better than that with her nephew
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 09:44 AM
Apr 20

She told him, 'GO AHEAD.'

So he held his breath, and the little scamp hung in there until he passed out. Just like she, the aspiring doctor, knew he would. He was the one who woke up covered in mud from falling in a patch of it when he passed out. Holding his breath that way gave him a headache for a few minutes, but that was enough for him never to make that threat again.

C_U_L8R

(45,019 posts)
9. Give the Secret Service a break and jail the bum.
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 07:56 PM
Apr 19

Poor SS guys, having to smell those nasty Trump farts all the time. They must dream of the day Trump and his stink get locked away in solitary confinement.

RockRaven

(14,990 posts)
11. It is a testable hypothesis, so there is no reason to imagine. Let's do it
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 08:13 PM
Apr 19

and judge based on real results rather than speculation.

Response to Silent3 (Original post)

ToxMarz

(2,169 posts)
18. I think he'll be scared shitless if he has to go to jail.
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 10:14 PM
Apr 19

He thinks he's being clever using reverse psychology to make us think we'll be better off NOT sending him to prison and that will be a worse outcome for him. Nyuk, nyuk.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,570 posts)
28. Make it happen. He is on trial as a criminal, not POTUS.
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 02:45 AM
Apr 20

He wants to fuck around? Make him find out he is not above the law.

Think. Again.

(8,363 posts)
30. Not enforcing standards and laws in such a high-profile case...
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 06:14 AM
Apr 20

...leads to disrespect for the court and legal system and undermines the authority of the court in any other offender's mind.

Social norms only work to protect society when they are held fast by that society.

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