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303squadron

(547 posts)
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 07:57 AM Apr 21

What the 112 nay votes on Ukraine funding tell us

Que bono - Latin for "who stands to benefit."

If you want to look at who may be in Putin's pocket look no farther. Dark money in Super Pacs can't be traced. But if we could, I'd look at those 112 nay votes and ask....who stands to benefit?

If your rep is a nay, call their office and tell them they are Putin's pawns.

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What the 112 nay votes on Ukraine funding tell us (Original Post) 303squadron Apr 21 OP
Who were the 112 Nays? samplegirl Apr 21 #1
I see Delphinus Apr 21 #3
List here, a little squished but legible CurtEastPoint Apr 21 #4
Thank you very much mahina Apr 21 #19
It was a bit surprising not to see lumpy lamborn on that list. niyad Apr 21 #21
Ken Buck used to be my representative but when he left, I began calling Lamborn and preface PatrickforB Apr 21 #31
lumpy is not running for re-election, but getting an actual Dem niyad Apr 21 #58
Mainly red or pink stattes, with a few exceptions, like one Maryland and one Pensylvannia lindysalsagal Apr 21 #22
And a New Jersey. Elessar Zappa Apr 21 #53
So Stefanik, #4 in the Republican hierarchy, voted against it muriel_volestrangler Apr 21 #42
Well, my maggot rep thankfully wasn't one of them. One good thing (vs 1,000,000 not) in his favor. Wonder Why Apr 21 #40
Some are Putins pawns edhopper Apr 21 #2
In looking through several of the other voting leading up to the resolution... Hugin Apr 21 #5
It tells us that Putin owns a sizeable portion of the GOP. It tell us that RAB910 Apr 21 #6
+1 dalton99a Apr 21 #15
The GOP has ceded American world leadership to the Democrats 617Blue Apr 21 #7
Moscow Marjorie disciples. Emile Apr 21 #8
Her district not only wanted to secede from the Union, but also from the State of Georgia. TheBlackAdder Apr 21 #41
Looks like only one (correction: two) Ohio rep(s) (not mine) didn't support Ukraine Silent3 Apr 21 #9
Was it Gym Jordan? FarPoint Apr 21 #10
Oops... two! Silent3 Apr 21 #14
I too FarPoint Apr 21 #16
Three zeusdogmom Apr 21 #36
That there may be envelopes of cash exchanging hands in dimly lit parking garages. nt Hotler Apr 21 #11
It would be fun to see who voted to overturn the election bottomofthehill Apr 21 #12
Are the 58 Nay votes on Israel funding the same? FBaggins Apr 21 #13
That is an important question mahina Apr 21 #20
They're pro-Palestine muriel_volestrangler Apr 21 #34
a "state" that attacked them. But you knew that. NoRethugFriends Apr 21 #45
States that have attacked in these cases: Russia, Israel. muriel_volestrangler Apr 21 #46
I didn't use the word "they" NoRethugFriends Apr 21 #47
OK, it was "them", not "they". If that makes a difference to you, somehow. muriel_volestrangler Apr 21 #48
Hamas leaders are wealthy. wnylib Apr 21 #49
OK, do you seriously want to say some Democrats are being bribed by Hamas leaders? muriel_volestrangler Apr 21 #50
Bribed? Not necessary. Some people are influenced by slogans wnylib Apr 21 #55
The topic of the thread is Russian bribery. muriel_volestrangler Apr 21 #57
Amodei of Nevada , my rep. A disgusting womanizer who will face no chicoescuela Apr 21 #17
This fucker is a womanizer? Poor women. CurtEastPoint Apr 21 #27
That's my boy. Amazingly he is just that. He is one confident MFer. chicoescuela Apr 21 #32
In NC only one GOP rep voted no dsc Apr 21 #18
I saw Bishop on the list. He's a very strange person. yardwork Apr 21 #26
Putin's useful idiots The Wizard Apr 21 #23
Legislators in a Democracy voting to help end a Democracy, they are truly heinous. NoMoreRepugs Apr 21 #24
If your Rep voted Yes, call/contact them to affirm Seinan Sensei Apr 21 #25
I could say the same thing about the yay votes hueymahl Apr 21 #28
Really? Is it your viewpoint that there is never a just war of defense? muriel_volestrangler Apr 21 #30
Want to be real? hueymahl Apr 21 #35
Well, your solution sure makes Putin looks like he'll win muriel_volestrangler Apr 21 #37
I reject out of hand hueymahl Apr 21 #39
This is not a red herring. It's you calling the Democratic policy "shameful". muriel_volestrangler Apr 21 #44
What do you think about the American Revolution? wnylib Apr 21 #52
Our allies in time of war def need our help.. DemocratInPa Apr 21 #60
"Cui bono", actually muriel_volestrangler Apr 21 #29
Yes, its the oldtimes disease kicking in 303squadron Apr 21 #33
Well, I see my worthless rePuke rep. voted NAY Glorfindel Apr 21 #38
It tells what areas of the country are damaged and need overt measures to dissuade enemy propaganda. TheBlackAdder Apr 21 #43
Kremlin KauKus moondust Apr 21 #51
Two fuckfaces from my state of CA. The Unmitigated Gall Apr 21 #54
They are people who want to see a larger and more agressive Russia rather than a Democracy in the region. Chainfire Apr 21 #56
I am SHOCKED that my so-called "Representative" was not among them. GoCubsGo Apr 21 #59

CurtEastPoint

(18,667 posts)
4. List here, a little squished but legible
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 08:33 AM
Apr 21

Alford Republican Missouri NAY
Allen Republican Georgia NAY
Amodei Republican Nevada NAY
Armstrong Republican North Dakota NAY
Arrington Republican Texas NAY
Babin Republican Texas NAY
Baird Republican Indiana NAY
Balderson Republican Ohio NAY
Banks Republican Indiana NAY
Bean (FL) Republican Florida NAY
Bergman Republican Michigan NAY
Biggs Republican Arizona NAY
Bilirakis Republican Florida NAY
Bishop (NC) Republican North Carolina NAY
Boebert Republican Colorado NAY
Bost Republican Illinois NAY
Brecheen Republican Oklahoma NAY
Burchett Republican Tennessee NAY
Burlison Republican Missouri NAY
Cammack Republican Florida NAY
Carl Republican Alabama NAY
Cline Republican Virginia NAY
Cloud Republican Texas NAY
Clyde Republican Georgia NAY
Collins Republican Georgia NAY
Comer Republican Kentucky NAY
Crane Republican Arizona NAY
Crawford Republican Arkansas NAY
Davidson Republican Ohio NAY
De La Cruz Republican Texas NAY
DesJarlais Republican Tennessee NAY
Donalds Republican Florida NAY
Duncan Republican South Carolina NAY
Estes Republican Kansas NAY
Ezell Republican Mississippi NAY
Fallon Republican Texas NAY
Finstad Republican Minnesota NAY
Fischbach Republican Minnesota NAY
Fitzgerald Republican Wisconsin NAY
Franklin, Scott Republican Florida NAY
Fry Republican South Carolina NAY
Fulcher Republican Idaho NAY
Gaetz Republican Florida NAY
Good (VA) Republican Virginia NAY
Gooden (TX) Republican Texas NAY
Gosar Republican Arizona NAY
Graves (LA) Republican Louisiana NAY
Green (TN) Republican Tennessee NAY
Greene (GA) Republican Georgia NAY
Grothman Republican Wisconsin NAY
Guest Republican Mississippi NAY
Hageman Republican Wyoming NAY
Harris Republican Maryland NAY
Harshbarger Republican Tennessee NAY
Hern Republican Oklahoma NAY
Higgins (LA) Republican Louisiana NAY
Huizenga Republican Michigan NAY
Jackson (TX) Republican Texas NAY
Jordan Republican Ohio NAY
Joyce (PA) Republican Pennsylvania NAY
Kelly (MS) Republican Mississippi NAY
LaMalfa Republican California NAY
Langworthy Republican New York NAY
Lee (FL) Republican Florida NAY
Lesko Republican Arizona NAY
Letlow Republican Louisiana NAY
Loudermilk Republican Georgia NAY
Luna Republican Florida NAY
Luttrell Republican Texas NAY
Mace Republican South Carolina NAY
Malliotakis Republican New York NAY
Maloy Republican Utah NAY
Mann Republican Kansas NAY
Massie Republican Kentucky NAY
Mast Republican Florida NAY
McClain Republican Michigan NAY
Miller (IL) Republican Illinois NAY
Mills Republican Florida NAY
Moolenaar Republican Michigan NAY
Moore (AL) Republican Alabama NAY
Nehls Republican Texas NAY
Norman Republican South Carolina NAY
Obernolte Republican California NAY
Ogles Republican Tennessee NAY
Owens Republican Utah NAY
Palmer Republican Alabama NAY
Perry Republican Pennsylvania NAY
Pfluger Republican Texas NAY
Posey Republican Florida NAY
Rose Republican Tennessee NAY
Rosendale Republican Montana NAY
Roy Republican Texas NAY
Self Republican Texas NAY
Smith (MO) Republican Missouri NAY
Spartz Republican Indiana NAY
Stauber Republican Minnesota NAY
Stefanik Republican New York NAY
Steil Republican Wisconsin NAY
Steube Republican Florida NAY
Strong Republican Alabama NAY
Tenney Republican New York NAY
Tiffany Republican Wisconsin NAY
Timmons Republican South Carolina NAY
Van Drew Republican New Jersey NAY
Van Duyne Republican Texas NAY
Van Orden Republican Wisconsin NAY
Walberg Republican Michigan NAY
Waltz Republican Florida NAY
Weber (TX) Republican Texas NAY
Webster (FL) Republican Florida NAY
Williams (TX) Republican Texas NAY
Zinke Republican Montana NAY

PatrickforB

(14,593 posts)
31. Ken Buck used to be my representative but when he left, I began calling Lamborn and preface
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 10:59 AM
Apr 21

my comments by saying that Ken Buck used to be my representative but now he's gone and so I'm calling you.

Last time I called his office to respectfully discuss treason with his staff, they told me that he does in fact support aid to Ukraine.

While his policies are odious as ever, I'm thinking that, like Buck, there is a line that he will not cross in terms of betraying this republic. That said, I'd love to see him voted out, and would love to see the Democratic challenger in Buck's old district defeat Boebert, whose actions in office have been egregious. Boebert doesn't really appear to stand for much of anything. Just like Gosar, Johnson, Greene and Gaetz, she seems to only want to cause chaos instead of actually governing the country, which is the main job of all branches of our government.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,385 posts)
42. So Stefanik, #4 in the Republican hierarchy, voted against it
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:23 AM
Apr 21

(she's chair of the House Republican Conference). She is, I suppose, a leader of the Trump-ass-kissing caucus. Has she kissed enough for the crazies to support her as a new Speaker?

Hugin

(33,222 posts)
5. In looking through several of the other voting leading up to the resolution...
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 08:33 AM
Apr 21

It appears that around 70 of the GOP are hard core Pooties. Maybe leaving 30 or so who fall into the go along to get along category.

I didn’t review the votes closely enough to see if the seventy was consistently the same individuals. I am sure Marge does fall into that category.

RAB910

(3,515 posts)
6. It tells us that Putin owns a sizeable portion of the GOP. It tell us that
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 08:34 AM
Apr 21

a sizeable portion of the GOP works for our enemy Russia rather than the USA

TheBlackAdder

(28,225 posts)
41. Her district not only wanted to secede from the Union, but also from the State of Georgia.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:22 AM
Apr 21

She has their full support and they have her full support.

Silent3

(15,287 posts)
9. Looks like only one (correction: two) Ohio rep(s) (not mine) didn't support Ukraine
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 08:47 AM
Apr 21

Something of a relief in this red state hellhole.

(I counted, then forgot, Jim Jordan, probably a form a repressed memory.)

Silent3

(15,287 posts)
14. Oops... two!
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 08:55 AM
Apr 21

I'll fix my post. My eyes immediately went to Jordan to verify, as I suspected, that he voted no. Then I forgot that when checking everyone else. Duh.

Perhaps it's just wanting to forget he's from my newly-adopted state.

zeusdogmom

(998 posts)
36. Three
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:13 AM
Apr 21

Balderson, Davidson, Jordan

Surprised, but happy, to not see more of the Ohio delegation on the nay list

muriel_volestrangler

(101,385 posts)
34. They're pro-Palestine
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:03 AM
Apr 21

But you know, 33,000 dead Palestinians obviously don't have a lot of money backing them, so it's not really believable to categorise the 2 conflicts as equivalent for purposes of "who benefits". Israel's arms are being used to attack a territory outside their state; Ukraine to defend their own state. But you knew that.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,385 posts)
46. States that have attacked in these cases: Russia, Israel.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 12:02 PM
Apr 21

Ukraine is defending itself; Hamas is not a state. Nor, for that matter, is Palestine, because Israeli and the USA refuse it recognition as such. The death toll acceptable to the Israeli government of innocent Palestinians to Hamas members was 15 to 1. That's an attack on Palestinians, not on Hamas.

So when you say "attacked them", who does "they" refer to?

NoRethugFriends

(2,341 posts)
47. I didn't use the word "they"
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 12:28 PM
Apr 21

And the majority of Gazans support Hamas, which carried out the attack.
And by the way, I do not approve of much/most of what Israel is doing in Gaza and The West Bank, and detest Netanyahu.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,385 posts)
48. OK, it was "them", not "they". If that makes a difference to you, somehow.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 01:58 PM
Apr 21

" the majority of Gazans support Hamas, which carried out the attack"

There has not been a meaningful poll since Oct 7th - it's a war zone. Outside pollsters are not allowed in (hell, journalists aren't). The last elections were nearly 20 years ago, so the majority of Gazans weren't old enough to vote then. There is no decent evidence that the majority supported the attacks

wnylib

(21,630 posts)
55. Bribed? Not necessary. Some people are influenced by slogans
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 03:24 PM
Apr 21

that Hamas promotes with their well-funded international messaging. Slogans like "From the river to the sea..." which calls for the annihilation of Israel and Jews are anti-Semitic.

But, when a House resolution was proposed that the slogan is anti-Semitic, 43 House Dems voted against the resolution.

https://jewishinsider.com/2024/04/forty-four-house-members-vote-against-resolution-declaring-river-to-the-sea-slogan-antisemitic/


muriel_volestrangler

(101,385 posts)
57. The topic of the thread is Russian bribery.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 05:32 PM
Apr 21

As for the slogan, Likud wrote in its 1977 election manifesto "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty". It is just ridiculous to claim that the Palestinian equivalent (which predates Hamas) is "anti-Semitic", or "calls for the annihilation of Israel and Jews". The 43 House Dems were right.

chicoescuela

(1,030 posts)
17. Amodei of Nevada , my rep. A disgusting womanizer who will face no
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 09:49 AM
Apr 21

consequences or even a challenger this time. Unfuckingbelievable

dsc

(52,168 posts)
18. In NC only one GOP rep voted no
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 10:03 AM
Apr 21

and he is the only one running for a statewide office (he is running for AG). I find that facinating,

The Wizard

(12,549 posts)
23. Putin's useful idiots
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 10:33 AM
Apr 21

reveal their true allegiance to Russia. How many were part of the January 6 failed coup d'etet?

hueymahl

(2,510 posts)
28. I could say the same thing about the yay votes
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 10:46 AM
Apr 21

Follow the money. Who stands to benefit? Far and away, it is those that profit from never ending war. Casualties, death and destruction be damned.

Shameful the path we are on.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,385 posts)
30. Really? Is it your viewpoint that there is never a just war of defense?
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 10:59 AM
Apr 21

You think it "shameful" to send arms to a democratic country fighting an invasion by an autocratic one. Should Ukraine have surrendered when Putin invaded? Or just until, as a country with a third of the population, and without the oil reserves to finance the invasion, fought until sheer numbers forced a surrender instead?

hueymahl

(2,510 posts)
35. Want to be real?
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:07 AM
Apr 21

This is an avoidable war. There were many opportunities before the invasion to force a peace. It would have required Ukraine to sacrifice some land and agree not to join NATO, but there was a path to peace. Because that path was not chosen, we are stuck.

When all this is over, I would be willing to bet that Ukraine will wish they made that bargain.

The only winners in this war will be our military industrial complex. We get to rid ourselves of old ordinance, line the pockets of billionaires and all it costs are a few hundred thousand shattered lives.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,385 posts)
37. Well, your solution sure makes Putin looks like he'll win
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:16 AM
Apr 21

Your preference was for him to get some territory for threatening invasion. But since he wasn't happy with Crimea and de facto control of part of the Donbass (without, I should remind you, a specific demand of further territory - instead, he called the democratic Ukrainian government "Nazis" and use that as a justification for his invasion), in he went, and started murdering. And kidnapping children.

So you're now saying that you think Ukraine should not have been supported in repelling that invasion. How many hundred thousand would have had their lives shattered in the invasion without outside support? I think you're advocating a win for Putin, albeit with 50,000 of his countrymen dead for his war of choice. But he doesn't worry about that.

Do you think that Putin, after Georgia and Ukraine, would stop there? How about Moldova? Is your position that they should submit to whatever Putin could demand when he sits on their border?

Can we take it that you'd actually be OK with the USA supporting the Baltic states, since they're in NATO? Is that where the line of aggression does have to stop?

Another question: how do you feel about arming Taiwan? Do you feel like forcing a peace there?

hueymahl

(2,510 posts)
39. I reject out of hand
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:20 AM
Apr 21

The false assumption that we have to have war Ukraine to stop Putin. There are far more effective and less damaging ways to do that.

And of course I support NATO.

Enough of these purity tests and red herrings.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,385 posts)
44. This is not a red herring. It's you calling the Democratic policy "shameful".
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:25 AM
Apr 21

What "far more effective and less damaging ways" do you think were available, or are available now?

I'm glad to hear you support NATO - there's no "of course" about it, given what you've said so far.

wnylib

(21,630 posts)
52. What do you think about the American Revolution?
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 02:39 PM
Apr 21

Was it wrong to declare independence, knowing that it would result in war?

WWII could have been avoided, too. Poland could have voluntarily submitted to Nazi Germany in September of 1939. Britain could have waved a white flag when the German bombs hit London. The US could have surrendered to Japan on December 7, 1941. We did not have to rebuild our Navy and fight back.

Of course, there still would have been many lives lost from German, Italian, and Japanese conquests. Millions of people - Jews, Poles, Roma, and those with physical and mental disabilities - would still have lost their lives to Nazi executioners. But, that's ok because only the Axis powers would have benefited financially from building up a war machine?

When you locate your Utopia, please post the address.


DemocratInPa

(357 posts)
60. Our allies in time of war def need our help..
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 07:07 PM
Apr 21

100 % for this, but only concern is what about us.. We have so many issues being ignored, like homeless. That still has not been addresses by anyone.

303squadron

(547 posts)
33. Yes, its the oldtimes disease kicking in
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:03 AM
Apr 21

Can't remember sh!t!

"But my motifs are good!" I must be channelling Norm Crosby

Glorfindel

(9,739 posts)
38. Well, I see my worthless rePuke rep. voted NAY
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:18 AM
Apr 21

Clyde, of the 9th District of Georgia. Nothing surprising about that.

moondust

(20,013 posts)
51. Kremlin KauKus
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 02:19 PM
Apr 21

begging for Pooty's help in their kleptocratic autocracy takeover project? I think you can bet that Pooty's boys are closely examining that list of 112 and looking for ways to help them.

Chainfire

(17,655 posts)
56. They are people who want to see a larger and more agressive Russia rather than a Democracy in the region.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 04:21 PM
Apr 21

If Putin is successful in Ukraine world peace will be at risk. Ukraine is not his end goal any more than the Rhineland was Hitler's goal.

GoCubsGo

(32,095 posts)
59. I am SHOCKED that my so-called "Representative" was not among them.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 07:00 PM
Apr 21

Joe "You Lie" Wilson was the only South Carolina GOPer who voted for it. The level at which I hold him in contempt has lessened slightly because of this.

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