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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat the 112 nay votes on Ukraine funding tell us
Que bono - Latin for "who stands to benefit."
If you want to look at who may be in Putin's pocket look no farther. Dark money in Super Pacs can't be traced. But if we could, I'd look at those 112 nay votes and ask....who stands to benefit?
If your rep is a nay, call their office and tell them they are Putin's pawns.
samplegirl
(11,504 posts)I'll see if I can find them.
Jim Banks, running for Senate in Indiana, voted no. All are Putin's Puppets.
CurtEastPoint
(18,667 posts)Alford Republican Missouri NAY
Allen Republican Georgia NAY
Amodei Republican Nevada NAY
Armstrong Republican North Dakota NAY
Arrington Republican Texas NAY
Babin Republican Texas NAY
Baird Republican Indiana NAY
Balderson Republican Ohio NAY
Banks Republican Indiana NAY
Bean (FL) Republican Florida NAY
Bergman Republican Michigan NAY
Biggs Republican Arizona NAY
Bilirakis Republican Florida NAY
Bishop (NC) Republican North Carolina NAY
Boebert Republican Colorado NAY
Bost Republican Illinois NAY
Brecheen Republican Oklahoma NAY
Burchett Republican Tennessee NAY
Burlison Republican Missouri NAY
Cammack Republican Florida NAY
Carl Republican Alabama NAY
Cline Republican Virginia NAY
Cloud Republican Texas NAY
Clyde Republican Georgia NAY
Collins Republican Georgia NAY
Comer Republican Kentucky NAY
Crane Republican Arizona NAY
Crawford Republican Arkansas NAY
Davidson Republican Ohio NAY
De La Cruz Republican Texas NAY
DesJarlais Republican Tennessee NAY
Donalds Republican Florida NAY
Duncan Republican South Carolina NAY
Estes Republican Kansas NAY
Ezell Republican Mississippi NAY
Fallon Republican Texas NAY
Finstad Republican Minnesota NAY
Fischbach Republican Minnesota NAY
Fitzgerald Republican Wisconsin NAY
Franklin, Scott Republican Florida NAY
Fry Republican South Carolina NAY
Fulcher Republican Idaho NAY
Gaetz Republican Florida NAY
Good (VA) Republican Virginia NAY
Gooden (TX) Republican Texas NAY
Gosar Republican Arizona NAY
Graves (LA) Republican Louisiana NAY
Green (TN) Republican Tennessee NAY
Greene (GA) Republican Georgia NAY
Grothman Republican Wisconsin NAY
Guest Republican Mississippi NAY
Hageman Republican Wyoming NAY
Harris Republican Maryland NAY
Harshbarger Republican Tennessee NAY
Hern Republican Oklahoma NAY
Higgins (LA) Republican Louisiana NAY
Huizenga Republican Michigan NAY
Jackson (TX) Republican Texas NAY
Jordan Republican Ohio NAY
Joyce (PA) Republican Pennsylvania NAY
Kelly (MS) Republican Mississippi NAY
LaMalfa Republican California NAY
Langworthy Republican New York NAY
Lee (FL) Republican Florida NAY
Lesko Republican Arizona NAY
Letlow Republican Louisiana NAY
Loudermilk Republican Georgia NAY
Luna Republican Florida NAY
Luttrell Republican Texas NAY
Mace Republican South Carolina NAY
Malliotakis Republican New York NAY
Maloy Republican Utah NAY
Mann Republican Kansas NAY
Massie Republican Kentucky NAY
Mast Republican Florida NAY
McClain Republican Michigan NAY
Miller (IL) Republican Illinois NAY
Mills Republican Florida NAY
Moolenaar Republican Michigan NAY
Moore (AL) Republican Alabama NAY
Nehls Republican Texas NAY
Norman Republican South Carolina NAY
Obernolte Republican California NAY
Ogles Republican Tennessee NAY
Owens Republican Utah NAY
Palmer Republican Alabama NAY
Perry Republican Pennsylvania NAY
Pfluger Republican Texas NAY
Posey Republican Florida NAY
Rose Republican Tennessee NAY
Rosendale Republican Montana NAY
Roy Republican Texas NAY
Self Republican Texas NAY
Smith (MO) Republican Missouri NAY
Spartz Republican Indiana NAY
Stauber Republican Minnesota NAY
Stefanik Republican New York NAY
Steil Republican Wisconsin NAY
Steube Republican Florida NAY
Strong Republican Alabama NAY
Tenney Republican New York NAY
Tiffany Republican Wisconsin NAY
Timmons Republican South Carolina NAY
Van Drew Republican New Jersey NAY
Van Duyne Republican Texas NAY
Van Orden Republican Wisconsin NAY
Walberg Republican Michigan NAY
Waltz Republican Florida NAY
Weber (TX) Republican Texas NAY
Webster (FL) Republican Florida NAY
Williams (TX) Republican Texas NAY
Zinke Republican Montana NAY
mahina
(17,708 posts)niyad
(113,589 posts)PatrickforB
(14,593 posts)my comments by saying that Ken Buck used to be my representative but now he's gone and so I'm calling you.
Last time I called his office to respectfully discuss treason with his staff, they told me that he does in fact support aid to Ukraine.
While his policies are odious as ever, I'm thinking that, like Buck, there is a line that he will not cross in terms of betraying this republic. That said, I'd love to see him voted out, and would love to see the Democratic challenger in Buck's old district defeat Boebert, whose actions in office have been egregious. Boebert doesn't really appear to stand for much of anything. Just like Gosar, Johnson, Greene and Gaetz, she seems to only want to cause chaos instead of actually governing the country, which is the main job of all branches of our government.
niyad
(113,589 posts)seems unlikely, barring a miracle.
lindysalsagal
(20,740 posts)Elessar Zappa
(14,083 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,385 posts)(she's chair of the House Republican Conference). She is, I suppose, a leader of the Trump-ass-kissing caucus. Has she kissed enough for the crazies to support her as a new Speaker?
Wonder Why
(3,263 posts)edhopper
(33,634 posts)some will do whatever TSF wants. Screw the country.
Hugin
(33,222 posts)It appears that around 70 of the GOP are hard core Pooties. Maybe leaving 30 or so who fall into the go along to get along category.
I didnt review the votes closely enough to see if the seventy was consistently the same individuals. I am sure Marge does fall into that category.
RAB910
(3,515 posts)a sizeable portion of the GOP works for our enemy Russia rather than the USA
617Blue
(1,282 posts)Emile
(22,974 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,225 posts)She has their full support and they have her full support.
Silent3
(15,287 posts)Something of a relief in this red state hellhole.
(I counted, then forgot, Jim Jordan, probably a form a repressed memory.)
FarPoint
(12,451 posts)Did he vote no?
Silent3
(15,287 posts)I'll fix my post. My eyes immediately went to Jordan to verify, as I suspected, that he voted no. Then I forgot that when checking everyone else. Duh.
Perhaps it's just wanting to forget he's from my newly-adopted state.
am in Ohio.
Balderson, Davidson, Jordan
Surprised, but happy, to not see more of the Ohio delegation on the nay list
Hotler
(11,447 posts)bottomofthehill
(8,350 posts)In comparison to who voted to abandon Ukraine
FBaggins
(26,772 posts)Are they in the pockets of Iran/Hamas?
mahina
(17,708 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,385 posts)But you know, 33,000 dead Palestinians obviously don't have a lot of money backing them, so it's not really believable to categorise the 2 conflicts as equivalent for purposes of "who benefits". Israel's arms are being used to attack a territory outside their state; Ukraine to defend their own state. But you knew that.
NoRethugFriends
(2,341 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,385 posts)Ukraine is defending itself; Hamas is not a state. Nor, for that matter, is Palestine, because Israeli and the USA refuse it recognition as such. The death toll acceptable to the Israeli government of innocent Palestinians to Hamas members was 15 to 1. That's an attack on Palestinians, not on Hamas.
So when you say "attacked them", who does "they" refer to?
NoRethugFriends
(2,341 posts)And the majority of Gazans support Hamas, which carried out the attack.
And by the way, I do not approve of much/most of what Israel is doing in Gaza and The West Bank, and detest Netanyahu.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,385 posts)" the majority of Gazans support Hamas, which carried out the attack"
There has not been a meaningful poll since Oct 7th - it's a war zone. Outside pollsters are not allowed in (hell, journalists aren't). The last elections were nearly 20 years ago, so the majority of Gazans weren't old enough to vote then. There is no decent evidence that the majority supported the attacks
wnylib
(21,630 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,385 posts)Please, proceed.
wnylib
(21,630 posts)that Hamas promotes with their well-funded international messaging. Slogans like "From the river to the sea..." which calls for the annihilation of Israel and Jews are anti-Semitic.
But, when a House resolution was proposed that the slogan is anti-Semitic, 43 House Dems voted against the resolution.
https://jewishinsider.com/2024/04/forty-four-house-members-vote-against-resolution-declaring-river-to-the-sea-slogan-antisemitic/
muriel_volestrangler
(101,385 posts)As for the slogan, Likud wrote in its 1977 election manifesto "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty". It is just ridiculous to claim that the Palestinian equivalent (which predates Hamas) is "anti-Semitic", or "calls for the annihilation of Israel and Jews". The 43 House Dems were right.
chicoescuela
(1,030 posts)consequences or even a challenger this time. Unfuckingbelievable
CurtEastPoint
(18,667 posts)chicoescuela
(1,030 posts)dsc
(52,168 posts)and he is the only one running for a statewide office (he is running for AG). I find that facinating,
yardwork
(61,712 posts)The Wizard
(12,549 posts)reveal their true allegiance to Russia. How many were part of the January 6 failed coup d'etet?
NoMoreRepugs
(9,475 posts)Seinan Sensei
(368 posts)Positive reinforcement
hueymahl
(2,510 posts)Follow the money. Who stands to benefit? Far and away, it is those that profit from never ending war. Casualties, death and destruction be damned.
Shameful the path we are on.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,385 posts)You think it "shameful" to send arms to a democratic country fighting an invasion by an autocratic one. Should Ukraine have surrendered when Putin invaded? Or just until, as a country with a third of the population, and without the oil reserves to finance the invasion, fought until sheer numbers forced a surrender instead?
hueymahl
(2,510 posts)This is an avoidable war. There were many opportunities before the invasion to force a peace. It would have required Ukraine to sacrifice some land and agree not to join NATO, but there was a path to peace. Because that path was not chosen, we are stuck.
When all this is over, I would be willing to bet that Ukraine will wish they made that bargain.
The only winners in this war will be our military industrial complex. We get to rid ourselves of old ordinance, line the pockets of billionaires and all it costs are a few hundred thousand shattered lives.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,385 posts)Your preference was for him to get some territory for threatening invasion. But since he wasn't happy with Crimea and de facto control of part of the Donbass (without, I should remind you, a specific demand of further territory - instead, he called the democratic Ukrainian government "Nazis" and use that as a justification for his invasion), in he went, and started murdering. And kidnapping children.
So you're now saying that you think Ukraine should not have been supported in repelling that invasion. How many hundred thousand would have had their lives shattered in the invasion without outside support? I think you're advocating a win for Putin, albeit with 50,000 of his countrymen dead for his war of choice. But he doesn't worry about that.
Do you think that Putin, after Georgia and Ukraine, would stop there? How about Moldova? Is your position that they should submit to whatever Putin could demand when he sits on their border?
Can we take it that you'd actually be OK with the USA supporting the Baltic states, since they're in NATO? Is that where the line of aggression does have to stop?
Another question: how do you feel about arming Taiwan? Do you feel like forcing a peace there?
hueymahl
(2,510 posts)The false assumption that we have to have war Ukraine to stop Putin. There are far more effective and less damaging ways to do that.
And of course I support NATO.
Enough of these purity tests and red herrings.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,385 posts)What "far more effective and less damaging ways" do you think were available, or are available now?
I'm glad to hear you support NATO - there's no "of course" about it, given what you've said so far.
wnylib
(21,630 posts)Was it wrong to declare independence, knowing that it would result in war?
WWII could have been avoided, too. Poland could have voluntarily submitted to Nazi Germany in September of 1939. Britain could have waved a white flag when the German bombs hit London. The US could have surrendered to Japan on December 7, 1941. We did not have to rebuild our Navy and fight back.
Of course, there still would have been many lives lost from German, Italian, and Japanese conquests. Millions of people - Jews, Poles, Roma, and those with physical and mental disabilities - would still have lost their lives to Nazi executioners. But, that's ok because only the Axis powers would have benefited financially from building up a war machine?
When you locate your Utopia, please post the address.
DemocratInPa
(357 posts)100 % for this, but only concern is what about us.. We have so many issues being ignored, like homeless. That still has not been addresses by anyone.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,385 posts)It's the dative of "quis"="who" - "to whose good".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_dative
303squadron
(547 posts)Can't remember sh!t!
"But my motifs are good!" I must be channelling Norm Crosby
Glorfindel
(9,739 posts)Clyde, of the 9th District of Georgia. Nothing surprising about that.
TheBlackAdder
(28,225 posts)moondust
(20,013 posts)begging for Pooty's help in their kleptocratic autocracy takeover project? I think you can bet that Pooty's boys are closely examining that list of 112 and looking for ways to help them.
The Unmitigated Gall
(3,836 posts)Chainfire
(17,655 posts)If Putin is successful in Ukraine world peace will be at risk. Ukraine is not his end goal any more than the Rhineland was Hitler's goal.
GoCubsGo
(32,095 posts)Joe "You Lie" Wilson was the only South Carolina GOPer who voted for it. The level at which I hold him in contempt has lessened slightly because of this.