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lindysalsagal

(20,793 posts) Sun Apr 21, 2024, 01:24 PM Apr 21

A friend of mine who worked in Justice in another state said they definitely could incarcerate TSF.

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He said they've got lots of closed prison wings that could be opened and have room for him and his SS staff.

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A friend of mine who worked in Justice in another state said they definitely could incarcerate TSF. (Original Post) lindysalsagal Apr 21 OP

There's an abandoned Naval Air Facility on Adak Island that could be reopened. BluesRunTheGame Apr 21 #1

They could.. They should .. They won't. yourout Apr 21 #2

Of course it is possible to jail Trump. Irish_Dem Apr 21 #3

That's what it would take to shut him up (maybe) but... Septua Apr 21 #4

He's probably not going to be incarcerated in the New York fraud case. onenote Apr 21 #5

Have not read the Indictment Dan Apr 21 #6

The indictment itself doesn't charge him with election fraud or even contain the word election. onenote Apr 21 #10

The evidence was good enough to earn Michael Cohen jail time... Silent3 Apr 21 #13

Hopefully. I think it does. The issue is whether the defense can create doubt in the jury onenote Apr 21 #14

It's got to, since it involved him using funds illegally. lindysalsagal Apr 21 #15

Why couldn't the jail guards be his security? Maraya1969 Apr 21 #7

Trump knows he won't be jailed. That's why he acts the way he does. jalan48 Apr 21 #8

I'll believe it when I see it happen and not until. "Could" doesn't mean "will". n/t elocs Apr 21 #9

My ass would'a been gone, days ago, 3Hotdogs Apr 21 #11

Would conjugal visits be allowed? IcyPeas Apr 21 #12

OMG. The start of a new industry: Slammer Tramps lindysalsagal Apr 21 #16

BluesRunTheGame

(1,623 posts)

1. There's an abandoned Naval Air Facility on Adak Island that could be reopened.

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Sun Apr 21, 2024, 01:31 PM

Apr 21

yourout

(7,535 posts)

2. They could.. They should .. They won't.

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Sun Apr 21, 2024, 01:32 PM

Apr 21

Irish_Dem

(47,928 posts)

3. Of course it is possible to jail Trump.

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Sun Apr 21, 2024, 01:32 PM

Apr 21

All the disinformation about it is just an excuse by the court system.
And GOP.

Septua

(2,267 posts)

4. That's what it would take to shut him up (maybe) but...

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Sun Apr 21, 2024, 01:37 PM

Apr 21

..I haven't heard any legal pundits optimistic about it happening, JUST BECAUSE HE'S A FORMER PRESIDENT. And 'they' (justice dept) know it's what Trump wants to happen. It's apparently a delicate issue for Merchan to consider.

onenote

(42,831 posts)

5. He's probably not going to be incarcerated in the New York fraud case.

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Sun Apr 21, 2024, 01:46 PM

Apr 21

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First, I haven't seen a clear answer to whether Trump can be convicted of the lesser offense of falsification of business records in the second degree when the indictment only charges the more serious offense of falsification of business records in the first degree. I think
convicting him of the former charge should be a given. The more serious felony charge requires that he not only have committed falsification of business records in the second degree but also that he did so with the intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof. That could be tricky because he hasn't been charged with any other specific crime and proving the latter element beyond a reasonable doubt might trip up some jurors.

But either way, the statistics indicate that only around 10 percent of those convicted of falsification of business records in New York are imprisoned. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/18/opinion/donald-trump-trial-prison.html

Dan

(3,589 posts)

6. Have not read the Indictment

Reply to onenote (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 21, 2024, 02:03 PM

Apr 21

But I thought it included ‘Election Fraud’ or something like an Election crime with the intent to mislead???

onenote

(42,831 posts)

10. The indictment itself doesn't charge him with election fraud or even contain the word election.

Reply to Dan (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 21, 2024, 04:41 PM

Apr 21

https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf

The "statement of facts" that accompanied the indictment makes clear that Trump is accused of falsifying business records in pursuit of attempt to influence the 2016 election. For example, according to the statement of facts,"the Defendant orchestrated a scheme with others to influence the 2016 presidential election by identifying and purchasing negative information about him to suppress its publication and benefit the Defendant’s electoral prospects. In order to execute the unlawful scheme, the participants violated election laws." Specifically, the statement of facts refers to Michael Cohen's guilty plea for making an unlawful campaign contribution.

https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/2023-04-04-SOF.pdf

My concern is that Trump hasn't been charged with having made an illegal campaign contribution and his lawyers may try to use that fact, and attacks on Cohen's credibility, to confuse the jurors as to whether the second element of the first degree business falsification crime has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt as to Trump himself.