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brooklynite

(94,985 posts)
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 02:03 PM Apr 21

50 years of tax cuts for the rich failed to trickle down, economics study says

CBS News

Tax cuts for the wealthy have long drawn support from conservative lawmakers and economists who argue that such measures will "trickle down" and eventually boost jobs and incomes for everyone else. But a new study from the London School of Economics says 50 years of such tax cuts have only helped one group — the rich.

The new paper, by David Hope of the London School of Economics and Julian Limberg of King's College London, examines 18 developed countries — from Australia to the United States — over a 50-year period from 1965 to 2015. The study compared countries that passed tax cuts in a specific year, such as the U.S. in 1982 when President Ronald Reagan slashed taxes on the wealthy, with those that didn't, and then examined their economic outcomes.

Per capita gross domestic product and unemployment rates were nearly identical after five years in countries that slashed taxes on the rich and in those that didn't, the study found.

But the analysis discovered one major change: The incomes of the rich grew much faster in countries where tax rates were lowered. Instead of trickling down to the middle class, tax cuts for the rich may not accomplish much more than help the rich keep more of their riches and exacerbate income inequality, the research indicates.


Damn corporate media.....
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50 years of tax cuts for the rich failed to trickle down, economics study says (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 21 OP
It took a study! ... Should have read, 'Area man still waiting for trickle down.' Hotler Apr 21 #1
50 year study also confirms: Water is wet. Marcus IM Apr 21 #2
i like to ask people..... Takket Apr 21 #3
We all knew this. As one poster said earlier, they had to have a study to learn this? I think that we're SWBTATTReg Apr 21 #4
Get rid of Repukes.... AZ8theist Apr 21 #18
Been saying this 'til turned BLUE(r) in the face. B.See Apr 21 #21
Tax cuts to the already rich trickled into the portfolios of the rich Model35mech Apr 21 #5
This article just confirms what most people have known for years and yet walkingman Apr 21 #6
Billionaires are collectively adding $2.7 billion to their fortunes daily. So. Trickle down. Kid Berwyn Apr 21 #7
And I had such high hopes for Trickle Down... jalan48 Apr 21 #8
what a surprise Jean Genie Apr 21 #9
A report from the Department of Duh surfered Apr 21 #10
K & R & Bookmarked SunSeeker Apr 21 #11
"Calvin" explains it: lastlib Apr 21 #12
Almost funny krkaufman Apr 21 #13
Yes There Have! ProfessorGAC Apr 21 #25
The tax code is written by politicians who need campaign donations... surfered Apr 21 #14
Only 50 years? Billionaires say we need more data. unblock Apr 21 #15
Models show it takes 51 years, just wait Johonny Apr 21 #16
I'd focus on "hoarded wealth" WarGamer Apr 21 #17
Everybody with functioning brain cells knew that one was a big lie Warpy Apr 21 #19
Conservatives love that tax cut stuff RANDYWILDMAN Apr 21 #20
It took 50 years to figure this out? NanaCat Apr 21 #22
It took a fucking 50 year study to find that out? I could have told them that 47 years ago. Autumn Apr 21 #23
What do corporations do with their profits? LiberalFighter Apr 21 #24
I am shocked. SHOCKED!!!! dutch777 Apr 21 #26
Trickle down works in its mysterious ways. keithbvadu2 Apr 21 #27
No sh*t, sherlock. elleng Apr 21 #28
Fresh evidence: Republicans' tax breaks didn't pay for themselves LetMyPeopleVote Apr 21 #29
Good on CBS, for reporting the truth, for once.... DemocraticPatriot Apr 21 #30

Hotler

(11,484 posts)
1. It took a study! ... Should have read, 'Area man still waiting for trickle down.'
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 02:11 PM
Apr 21

Could have stood around at the local 7-11 in the morning and ask the working people grabbing coffee and gas on the way to work.

Takket

(21,707 posts)
3. i like to ask people.....
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 02:23 PM
Apr 21

would you like the salary you have now, and the tax rate you have now, or make a billion dollars a year and be taxed at 90% leaving you with $100 million to spend?

not many people choose the lower tax rate.

SWBTATTReg

(22,214 posts)
4. We all knew this. As one poster said earlier, they had to have a study to learn this? I think that we're
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 02:24 PM
Apr 21

seeing this in lots of areas of the economy, where the uber rich have pretty well seized this particular economic area, and seized it for themselves. Already, in some states, the uber rich has staked out huge land holdings, and bought out huge sections of any small towns located nearby, making near impossible for long-term families to continue to live in these areas unless they sell out and move away.

So, isn't it time for the uber rich to finally get taxed at the heavier rates, and basically pay till it hurts, like so many of us do? Fair is fair. The rich could go a few years w/ a heavier tax load, and help carry the load of the federal deficit too for a while, e.g., 10 years or so? They have had 50 years of pretty well unlimited growth, and lower taxation.

And screw this about job creation and such, 50 years already of income inequality, and the job market is getting tighter, w/o any additional uber rich investments to 'help' when the study found that it didn't really help, cutting taxes (vs. those that didn't cut).

AZ8theist

(5,534 posts)
18. Get rid of Repukes....
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 04:59 PM
Apr 21

End the filibuster.
Democrats in control of all 3 branches of government will kill the Trump Tax Scam and raise rates for the filthy rich.

When will Americans realize that they ARE NOT Repukes constituents??
Their constituents are the billionaire class. The rest of America (99.999%) are rubes and useful idiots to them....

B.See

(1,354 posts)
21. Been saying this 'til turned BLUE(r) in the face.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 05:57 PM
Apr 21

TDE means THEY p------ on US. It NEVER worked.

And MANY people, Republicans and Democrats, STILL don't get who's SHAFTING us up the bum.

Model35mech

(1,596 posts)
5. Tax cuts to the already rich trickled into the portfolios of the rich
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 02:31 PM
Apr 21

Their piss is what trickled onto the rest of us.

the rich get 80% of what they ask from congress.
The proportion that the middleclass and poor get of what they seek shows no difference from random insignificance

walkingman

(7,700 posts)
6. This article just confirms what most people have known for years and yet
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 02:34 PM
Apr 21

there is a large segment of our society that have bought into the theory that the wealthy are job creators and they are necessary for the rest of us to be able to survive. But the reality is that the real job creators are the working class and the poor, whose spending induces businesses to create jobs.

The so-called "free market" idea that privately held, unregulated business competition not government is the driving force behind economic prosperity is a myth. The government itself is what creates this magical "free market" is organized by making laws that control monopolies (or is supposed to), financial laws (bankruptcy, contracts, lending rules, etc).

And the other things that chaps my butt is this idea that we have to worry about the size of government. Huh?

No, what we should worry about is who is the government serving. Who is influencing government with big money from big corporations and Wall Street to serve themselves instead of average working American whose spending is the real drive behind our economy.

We've been fed a line of hogwash for decades, so much so that it is almost a religion in America and yet economic inequality continues to just get worse for the vast majority.

We can change all of this by simply not electing the people that perpetuate this lie....over and over. Don't be fooled by their retortic...it is a scam with clear intent.

Kid Berwyn

(15,067 posts)
7. Billionaires are collectively adding $2.7 billion to their fortunes daily. So. Trickle down.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 04:23 PM
Apr 21

The “Picture of Progress” over the last century.



Billionaires are collectively adding $2.7 billion to their fortunes daily — and their growing share of wealth shows trickle-down doesn't work


* A new report from Oxfam looks at how much wealth billionaires have accumulated.

* The report finds billionaires are collectively adding $2.7 billion to their fortunes daily, as inflation eats up workers' wages.

* As top tax rates fell, billionaire wealth grew — and Oxfam says wealth taxes are one solution.


by Juliana Kaplan and Madison Hoff
Business Insider, January 16, 2023

The rich are getting richer, and it's an ever-growing problem as everyone else sees their wages eaten up by rising inflation.

A new report from Oxfam, called "Survival of the richest: How we must tax the super-rich now to fight inequality," finds that the richest 1% are increasingly capturing more and more wealth — snatching up two-thirds of all new wealth in the world since 2020.

"That's astonishing, right? Because it's the richest 1% grabbing twice as much money as the rest of humanity, the 99% of us, put together," Nabil Ahmed, Oxfam America's director of economic justice, told Insider.

Snip…

The report finds that billionaires' fortunes are collectively growing by $2.7 billion daily, "even as inflation outpaces the wages of at least 1.7 billion workers, more than the population of India."

That's based on the difference between billionaires' wealth from March 18, 2020, adjusted for inflation, and November 30, 2022. Oxfam's analysis showed that there was a $2.6 trillion increase in this wealth during this time.

Continues…

https://www.businessinsider.com/billionaires-add-billions-fortunes-daily-shows-trickle-down-not-real-2023-1

Richest times in human history and most people must make do with crumbs fallen off John Wick’s boss’s table.

krkaufman

(13,440 posts)
13. Almost funny
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 04:41 PM
Apr 21

Almost funny that CBS "News" is reporting this as though it's new information. Haven't there been any number of studies finding the same?

ProfessorGAC

(65,407 posts)
25. Yes There Have!
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 07:55 PM
Apr 21

As far back as the mid & late 90s. Given that such studies keep reaching the same, data supported, conclusions, I'd say there should be little doubt.
It doesn't even make sense from a purely economic point of view. It's not logical that it would result in the planned outcome in a capitalist system. It requires an enlightened beneficence that has never been demonstrated in the economic data.
I wrote a paper on this apropos the Reagan tax cuts in an Econometrics class when in business school. Far less extensive than these other studies, but same conclusions.
Never works.

surfered

(584 posts)
14. The tax code is written by politicians who need campaign donations...
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 04:43 PM
Apr 21

The poor and middle class can’t contribute as much money as the wealthy and the corporations. Hence, you will find provisions in the code carving out exceptions without mentioning names. Instead, it will describe a type of business and/or geographic location and/or in such a way that it excludes every one else except the company for which the benefit was intended.

WarGamer

(12,509 posts)
17. I'd focus on "hoarded wealth"
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 04:48 PM
Apr 21

The people with $300 Million in Treasury Notes... making 5% annually.

First, they're taking money OUT of circulation, "off the street"...

Buying Treasury Notes enables gov't overspending and the 5% return is paid by middle class taxpayers.

So not only do they pull the money out of circulation but the middle class pays their 5% annual return.

And the Fed isn't paying back principal... struggling just to service the debt with other people money.

Money in motion is happy money.

#WealthTaxNow

Warpy

(111,459 posts)
19. Everybody with functioning brain cells knew that one was a big lie
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 05:00 PM
Apr 21

and now that neoliberalism has pretty much destroyed the commons by putting it into private hands, it's time for a massive rethink, I know that rethink is ongoing. What will put it into practice is the next crash and yes, there will be a next crash. Poorly regulkated capitalism is not only cruel, it is tied to boom and bust cycles.

About the only way capitalism can function is regulated, with vast wealth at the top scraped off and recirculated via public works, supplying jobs and income at the bottom, where the multiplier effect becomes apparent.

Letting the few hoard wealth while the many are deeply in debt and suffering is no way to run an economy. Money at the top neither works nor budges, as the rich are allergic to risk.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,680 posts)
20. Conservatives love that tax cut stuff
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 05:05 PM
Apr 21

it's their only move and they play it out and nobody ever tells them to STFU about it.



lets' help all the little people with some trickle down, do you want a trickle or a geyser ? yeah gimme the geyser ! even the language they use tells you it's a rip off. more media heads should yell about this, like every freaking night...but they don't

NanaCat

(1,539 posts)
22. It took 50 years to figure this out?
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 06:58 PM
Apr 21

We knew it the first time that idiot reagan went there with the tax cut.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
23. It took a fucking 50 year study to find that out? I could have told them that 47 years ago.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 07:18 PM
Apr 21

Fuck that study and tax them at 99% on anything over a million.

dutch777

(3,062 posts)
26. I am shocked. SHOCKED!!!!
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 08:27 PM
Apr 21

Kind of a hopeless feeling that this political/economic scam took 50 years to get reported on. I don't think this will stop the GOP and billionaires and corporations from advocating for more tax cuts for the rich though. Just needs a new catchy name.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,926 posts)
29. Fresh evidence: Republicans' tax breaks didn't pay for themselves
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 09:16 PM
Apr 21

There is no tax cut fairy and there is no evidence that tax cuts pay for themselves in the real world. Why does it matter that the Republicans' Trump-era tax breaks failed to pay for themselves, despite GOP promises? Several reasons, actually.



https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/fresh-evidence-republicans-tax-breaks-didnt-pay-rcna141882

The New York Times reported on the “most rigorous and detailed study” to date on the effects of the GOP’s tax package and found that while the 2017 law “delivered a modest pay bump for workers” — one that fell far short of the party’s promises before the law passed — those small benefits came “at a high cost to the federal budget.”

The corporate tax cuts came nowhere close to paying for themselves, as conservatives insisted they would. Instead, they are adding more than $100 billion a year to America’s $34 trillion-and-growing national debt, according to the quartet of researchers from Princeton University, the University of Chicago, Harvard University and the Treasury Department.

To be sure, these findings aren’t altogether surprising. We’ve known for several years that the Trump-era tax breaks for the wealthy and big corporations didn’t pay for themselves. We’ve also known for quite some time that this question has been tested and re-tested, and the results are always the same......

So why does the evidence matter? Several reasons, actually.

First, there’s the question of accountability. The Republicans who claim to care deeply about “fiscal responsibility” and balanced budgets insisted that their tax giveaways wouldn’t add to the deficit that they occasionally pretend to take seriously. The public, when assessing these policymakers’ work, deserves to know that the GOP officials got this important question wrong.

Second, credibility matters, too. Republicans — who are inexplicably enjoying a sizable advantage in polling on economic policy, despite the realities of recent decades — claim to know what they’re talking about. When compelling evidence to the contrary comes to the fore, it warrants attention.

Third, at the heart of Republicans’ thinking about economic policy isn’t just the discredited belief that giving tax breaks to the wealthy produces broad prosperity, but also that the party need not concern itself with paying for the giveaways. Ideally, when presented with decades’ worth of evidence disproving their core assumption, the party would reconsider this misguided belief.

But perhaps most important of all is the fact that GOP officials are eager to repeat their mistake. In fact, The Washington Post reported in January that Donald Trump has privately told his allies “that he is keenly interested in cutting corporate tax rates again,” despite the failures of his 2017 effort.

Tax cuts are not magical and do not pay for themselves. The current deficits are due in large part to TFG's tax cuts. The next battle will be on to whether to extend some or all of these tax cuts when they expire

DemocraticPatriot

(4,524 posts)
30. Good on CBS, for reporting the truth, for once....
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 09:24 PM
Apr 21

but they bring too many Republican Liars onto "Face The Nation" every Sunday morning....

On the bright side, most of those "low information voters" are probably not awake or watching the Sunday morning news shows.....

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