Gaza has been burnt to the ground
and there are over 33,000 dead Palestinians and others.
That was deliberate action by Israel not words.
Do not expect silence, support and no protests from the children and grandchildren of folks who fought against the Nazis in support of Jews in WW2 and since.
Ethnic cleansing, genocide and war crimes will continue to be condemned.
I will not support the atrocities in Gaza.
That is all - for now.
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It is hypocrisy for people to only come down hard on one side and not the other for using that motif, as you have millions of displaced Palestinians since 1947/48, whilst the Jewish Israelis continue to grow in number and Israel, as official state policy, has been illegally grabbing West Bank land and ethnically cleansing it of the Palestinians for ages.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party
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...................According to American historian Robin D. G. Kelley, the phrase "began as a Zionist slogan signifying the boundaries of Eretz Israel." Israeli-American historian Omer Bartov notes that Zionist usage of such language predates the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 and began with the Revisionist movement of Zionism led by Vladimir Jabotinski, which spoke of establishing a Jewish state in all of Palestine and had a song with the slogan: "The Jordan has two banks; this one is ours, and the other one too," suggesting a Jewish state extending even beyond the Jordan River.
I have repeatedly condemned the actions of the butcherous Hamas, going back well before October 7th, but this level of death and destruction go far beyond anything resembling proportional response.
Besides being half Swedish, and part black, I am also part Sephardic Jew. I also am part Lebanese. I have relatives who sit and dine in a sukkah for Sukkot (tragically the holiday that ended last year on Oct 7th), and I also have relatives who occasionally make the Hajj to Mecca (some all the way from southern Brasil).
I am an atheist, but genetically the ethnic groups on both sides of this titanic struggle, this cauldron of hate, this fire, are part of my bones, my blood, my flesh.
All this death, hate, destruction, fear, sorrow, guilt, and pain in huge part because of the wilful suspension of disbelief that allows (and has allowed for untold millenia) humans to invent, hold close, and worship a god or gods, then erect religions of control around those fictitious beings, and then send, throught history, tens of millions to their ends on this mortal coil.
I do not have a side, other than the side of peaceful coexistence. My side is getting its throat slit, its body burnt to char every day in the Levant.
The same goes for the other war horrorshows in Africa and Asia and Ukraine and Haiti and............
Apparently that's a suprise?
Berlin, 1945:
...the IDF does a fantastic job on defenseless civilian targets...
...the ramifications of this war and devastation will last for decades...
...not good...
Just heartbreaking.
you said:
A central notion under international humanitarian law is the principle of proportionality: even if an attack is allowed, it must not be excessive in relation to the expected military advantage.
https://www.diakonia.se/ihl/resources/international-humanitarian-law/ihl-principle-proportionality/
The principle of proportionality (Article 51(5) (b) API) states that even if there is a clear military target it is not possible to attack it if the expected harm to civilians, or civilian property, is excessive in relation to the expected military advantage. This is one of the most difficult rules of international humanitarian law (IHL) to apply as it requires a balance between two factors with little relevance to each other.
The principle of proportionality is also recognised as customary international law in Rule 14 of the ICRC study on customary international law.
The rule does accept that some civilian harm may be acceptable but it must be carefully weighed up against the military advantage to be gained. The rule of proportionality is the relevant rule whenever people talk of ‘collateral damage’. Even if the principle of proportionality is adhered to, the warring parties must still abide by rules on precautions in attack.
Article 51 - Protection of the civilian population
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/api-1977/article-51
1. The civilian population and individual civilians shall enjoy general protection against dangers arising from military operations. To give effect to this protection, the following rules, which are additional to other applicable rules of international law, shall be observed in all circumstances.
2. The civilian population as such, as well as individual civilians, shall not be the object of attack. Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.
3. Civilians shall enjoy the protection afforded by this Section, unless and for such time as they take a direct part in hostilities.
4. Indiscriminate attacks are prohibited. Indiscriminate attacks are:
(a) those which are not directed at a specific military objective;
(b) those which employ a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective; or
(c) those which employ a method or means of combat the effects of which cannot be limited as required by this Protocol;
and consequently, in each such case, are of a nature to strike military objectives and civilians or civilian objects without distinction.
5. Among others, the following types of attacks are to be considered as indiscriminate:
(a) an attack by bombardment by any methods or means which treats as a single military objective a number of clearly separated and distinct military objectives located in a city, town, village or other area containing a similar concentration of civilians or civilian objects; and
(b) an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.
6. Attacks against the civilian population or civilians by way of reprisals are prohibited.
7. The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.
8. Any violation of these prohibitions shall not release the Parties to the conflict from their legal obligations with respect to the civilian population and civilians, including the obligation to take the precautionary measures provided for in Article 57 .
Just this!
They think it's "protest" but they Always lash out at the Wrong People.
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The Gang Rapists Butchers of Hamas Started this SHIT and do NOT Give a Shit about the Palestinians
There goes the Violent "Protesters" don't support Hamas excuse.
As If It Hasn't Been Clear Before.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18886956
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You'll find a screen shot of it.
Try a DU search...You'll find it.
You're welcome.
instead of expecting me to "go through" your posts in search of it?
The burden of proof is incumbent upon the party MAKING the allegations, not not the one questioning them.
You're welcome.
No more hints...
I really don't care.
It's there.
But now others have gone to look. Thank you.
since it's you who's failed to substantiate your own claim. 
Bye now.
by driving Jewish students out of US universities
Why are Jews being targeted for actions of Israel?
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