Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
43 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
So they want to find Trump $1000 for gag order violations? (Original Post) orangecrush Apr 23 OP
Unfortunately that's the maximum fine allowed in NY courts. Ocelot II Apr 23 #1
well, that or jail.... getagrip_already Apr 23 #3
I can dream orangecrush Apr 23 #7
Ok didn't know that orangecrush Apr 23 #6
Not this time, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 23 #16
Thanks orangecrush Apr 23 #17
You and me both, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 23 #19
They can't lock him up for contempt? Hassin Bin Sober Apr 23 #12
Believe it or not, the DA and the judge know more about these situations are handled than anyone here on DU onenote Apr 23 #25
MSM talking heads keep bringing up jail time MorbidButterflyTat Apr 23 #36
The only thing that will work is to take away his Emile Apr 23 #2
That'll show him. Silent Type Apr 23 #4
Unfortunately that's the maximum fine allowed in NY courts. we can do it Apr 23 #8
HUGE mistake. triron Apr 23 #5
Unfortunately that's the maximum fine allowed in NY courts. we can do it Apr 23 #9
Maybe they needed to do that as a first offense so they can put him in jail next time Walleye Apr 23 #11
Exactly Emile Apr 23 #21
It's the max allowed. bearsfootball516 Apr 23 #10
He was fined $10k in October unblock Apr 23 #13
But that's more than the maximum fine allowed in NY courts. Emile Apr 23 #22
$1000 per violation. Could be 10 violations? unblock Apr 23 #24
Article doesn't show 10 violations. Emile Apr 23 #28
According to Reuters, prosecutors asked for a $10,000 fine this time, too. sl8 Apr 23 #29
This was $10,000 for 10 violations at $1000 per violation onenote Apr 23 #31
That helps, thanks for the clarification. nt sl8 Apr 23 #35
Different rules for civil trials than criminal trials. No limit on penalty in former. onenote Apr 23 #30
just got interesting.... getagrip_already Apr 23 #14
REAL INTERESTING orangecrush Apr 23 #18
It's the law. NT Happy Hoosier Apr 23 #15
Watch. He will fire his lawyer. Delay, delay. Srkdqltr Apr 23 #20
Remember that myth, "no one is above the law". republianmushroom Apr 23 #23
Are you suggesting that if it was anyone else the judge would ignore the law and impose a penalty that goes beyond what onenote Apr 23 #32
Maybe fines should be issued on a sliding scale Mme. Defarge Apr 23 #26
I doubt the law is going to be changed, and certainly not while this trial is ongoing. onenote Apr 23 #33
Where did you see that? I'm seeing that prosecutors asked for a $10,000 fine. sl8 Apr 23 #27
The prosecutors allege 10 separate violations and are seeking the maximum $1000 fine for each violation onenote Apr 23 #34
Thank you. nt sl8 Apr 23 #37
I thought I saw $1,000 orangecrush Apr 23 #39
You were right about the individual fines. Turns out it was ten $1000 fines the prosecutors asked for. nt sl8 Apr 23 #41
There seems to be confusion over the way NY law treats contempt. This article will help clear things up. onenote Apr 23 #38
"Just put it on my tab" Conjuay Apr 23 #40
That's insulting to the american people. ABSOLUTELY NO ONE would have been fined for breaking a gag order FlyingPiggy Apr 23 #42
That is the maximum financial penalty. Caliman73 Apr 23 #43

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,449 posts)
16. Not this time,
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 10:48 AM
Apr 23

the prosecution is making it clear that they're not asking for jail time............yet, but they do want the judge to find Been-A-Dick Donald in contempt and assign fines of $1000.00 per violation.

MSNBC is reporting that the judge is becoming pissed at Been-A-Dick's lawyer.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,344 posts)
12. They can't lock him up for contempt?
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 10:39 AM
Apr 23

I saw one lawyer on the tv machine say give him 30 days suspended. (I would suspend 29 days and let him cool his heels in the clink for 24 hours or maybe a day behind bars and let him out at 11 pm.)

I would add, order the secret service management make a plan to facilitate a day or two in the cell in the event that happens.

onenote

(42,769 posts)
25. Believe it or not, the DA and the judge know more about these situations are handled than anyone here on DU
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 12:06 PM
Apr 23

and more than any TV talking head.

Judges virtually never jail someone the first time they are accused by the prosecution of violating a gag order, particularly when the violation did not disrupt the trial in front of a jury. Which is why Bragg didn't ask for jail time -- the judge would not be happy if he thought Bragg was over-reaching.

But as I've noted previously, Bragg and the judge following standard practice will undoubtedly be criticized sharply by some who mistakenly think that anyone else would be jailed.

MorbidButterflyTat

(1,855 posts)
36. MSM talking heads keep bringing up jail time
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 12:38 PM
Apr 23

They either don't know or don't care that jail time is NOT being requested by the DA - yet.

Drama queens and instigators. They're everywhere.

Emile

(22,945 posts)
2. The only thing that will work is to take away his
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 10:30 AM
Apr 23

courthouse microphone and lock him up in the courthouse cell until the trial is over.

onenote

(42,769 posts)
31. This was $10,000 for 10 violations at $1000 per violation
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 12:33 PM
Apr 23

That's the per violation limit in a criminal case. There is no limit in a civil case. Just a coincidence that in the civil case Judge Engoron imposed a $10K fine.

onenote

(42,769 posts)
30. Different rules for civil trials than criminal trials. No limit on penalty in former.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 12:30 PM
Apr 23

This article will help explain the different types of contempt proceedings and penalties.

https://www.justsecurity.org/94878/why-trump-will-likely-be-held-in-contempt-and-what-then/

getagrip_already

(14,838 posts)
14. just got interesting....
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 10:41 AM
Apr 23

from cnn....

Judge wants to hear assertion under oath that Trump believed he wasn't violating gag order

Judge Juan Merchan said he wants to hear an assertion under oath that Donald Trump believed he wasn't violating the gag order when he made the posts in question.


Under oath means he can find he lied. Under oath. Or if he says he defied the order, take appropriate action. Or he can take the fifth. Then the judge can rule anyway.

onenote

(42,769 posts)
32. Are you suggesting that if it was anyone else the judge would ignore the law and impose a penalty that goes beyond what
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 12:34 PM
Apr 23

the statute permits or what the prosecutor has requested?

onenote

(42,769 posts)
34. The prosecutors allege 10 separate violations and are seeking the maximum $1000 fine for each violation
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 12:36 PM
Apr 23

Thus, they are asking for $10,000. When they first moved for sanctions, they only identified three violations and asked for $3000.

sl8

(13,901 posts)
41. You were right about the individual fines. Turns out it was ten $1000 fines the prosecutors asked for. nt
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:46 PM
Apr 23

FlyingPiggy

(3,384 posts)
42. That's insulting to the american people. ABSOLUTELY NO ONE would have been fined for breaking a gag order
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:49 PM
Apr 23

We would have been arrested. Marchan is a weak judge!!!

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
43. That is the maximum financial penalty.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:53 PM
Apr 23

Before any non-financial penalty is given, they have to impose the maximum financial penalty.

They aren't doing it to be lenient. They are doing it to ensure against appeal.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»So they want to find Trum...