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https://www.friendlyatheist.com/p/a-christian-ministry-urged-the-supremeYesterday, the Supreme Court heard a case that centers around how cities should deal with homelessness. One of the most striking revelations, however, may have come from a Christian ministry that insisted the homeless need to be converted or punished.
The case involved the city of Grants Pass, Oregon, where there are more homeless people than available beds in shelters. City leaders have chosen to address the problem, not by building affordable housing or additional shelters but rather by fining people hundreds of dollars for using blankets, pillows, or cardboard boxes on the streets. When homeless people accrue multiple fines, they can be banned from public property literally leaving them with nowhere to go. And if they remain in the city, they can be criminally prosecuted.
A previous legal case already declared those kinds of penalties unconstitutional, amounting to cruel and unusual punishment. So with the help of an attorney, a group of homeless people in Grants Pass filed a lawsuit against the city, saying local ordinances that punished them for basically existing were illegal. After all, they said, they werent choosing to live on the streets. There were no other options available to them.
Despite winning their case in lower courts, the city repeatedly appealed the decisions all the way up to the Supreme Court. The question in front of the justices is whether the city should be allowed to criminalize homelessness. It would be a disasterand just another layer of crueltyif SCOTUS rules in favor of Grants Pass.
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LakeArenal
(28,847 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,118 posts)LakeArenal
(28,847 posts)spanone
(135,884 posts)A sizeable contingent of them have been this way for centuries now.
Why act like being cruel is new for them?
pandr32
(11,617 posts)I thought that was the reason people give money to 'the Church'.
In the past, the minister/pastor used to live in a modest house next to the church.
NanaCat
(1,266 posts)They're told to do it because jaysus and so they do.
Mike Nelson
(9,968 posts)... this "Christian ministry" is not Christian. AND, most of the people coming across the southern border ARE already Christian, so they would not have to "convert."
NanaCat
(1,266 posts)It's typical behaviour for a broad swath of them for centuries now. It's a religion that extolled poverty for the peons while they built massive gold-encrusted churches and their clergy lived in luxury.
Anyone who thinks this is something aberrant for a substantial portion of them is blind to reality.
LakeArenal
(28,847 posts)But I think Evilglicos hate Catholics.
LiberalFighter
(51,103 posts)Hotler
(11,445 posts)Conservative Christians practice selfishness.
NanaCat
(1,266 posts)It's not exclusive to any one group of them. After all, this is not a conservative evangelical church (CofE):
Or this one (Lutheran):
Aristus
(66,467 posts)He's been surfing people's couches for the last three years. No fixed address. Hangs around with a gaggle of unemployed fishermen. He's been going around claiming Caesar is not the real god. I think you should nail him up, sir. Set an example..."
h2ebits
(646 posts)Yesterday, there was a DU post with Justice Sotomayor comments. I thought she was talking about the State of Oregon rather than a town.
Hopefully, the jurists on the Supreme Court will come together on this issue FOR THE PEOPLE and quash the city ordinance.
The cruelty and deliberate inhumanity in our country has grown to unimaginable size under Trump and his minions.
multigraincracker
(32,727 posts)Starvation Army.
CrispyQ
(36,526 posts)Right?
Why can't we just do that before we make them jump through hoops & then take away their liberty?
Personally, I think we should have a citizen's survival package issued to every adult, which includes:
> three hots & a cot
> basic health care, including dental, mental, & vision
> child care/elder care
> basic education K-college
> high speed internet across the land
> a comprehensive public transportation system so one can get around the US & US cities & towns without a car or plane
IDK how we do that but I'll bet if we funded a bunch of working mothers it would get done & on budget.
Years ago I posted something similar on a friend's FB page & someone he knew responded with a picture of a blank sheet of paper & the text, "This is what you were promised when you were born." Our governments are being hijacked by some of the meanest, most punitive & closed-minded assholes imaginable. They don't value community & the communities they are a part of are very exclusive, not inclusive. That rugged individualist crap really infected a lot of people.
crud
(627 posts)The natural rights of man... Life, liberty and property. If you're born in to existence you have the right to occupy the planet. The homeless have rights, not based on income or property or citizenship, but just from the fact that they are here.
yellowdogintexas
(22,271 posts)conservative groups/denominations believe they must convert every person they meet. So they want to be able to only serve those who have bowed down to their religious dictates.
I have heard this before about some of the church sponsored shelters here and there. Depends on the sponsoring groups.
Many churches require "conversion" to receive services and support from their outreach ministries. I belong to a United Methodist Church and our mission never turns anyone away. We have a food bank, a clothing bank, sack lunches and some assistance with navigating the system. No one is obligated to do anything remotely religious to receive services. We also distribute infant formula to mothers who have been approved for WIC but are in the holding pattern for that benefit to start. They are referred to us by WIC.
There are several other large churches in the area which offer services without a 'conversion' demand
peggysue2
(10,842 posts)Will all the homeless be imprisoned? What is the endpoint here or is Grants Pass going with Agent Orange's solution: detention camps for all homeless Americans.
And no, Justice Thomas, homelessness and camping are not the same. It involves the word you and your conservative justices hate the most:
CHOICE.
My older son is a dedicated through hiker and wilderness guide. Thus, he does a good amount of 'camping out.' When the hike is finished, he flies home and resumes life. In his house.
Big frigging difference.
myohmy2
(3,177 posts)...Christian...
...this is not good advertising...why would anyone join or follow the beliefs of such nasty evil people...??
...what hapened to, "...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness -- land of the free, home of the brave...??"
...'converted or punished'
...me thinks being converted is being punished...