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Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:27 PM Apr 23

What was David Pecker's motive for the catch and kill scheme?

I don't understand that part of it.

Pecker seems to say his motive is that he was friends with Trump.

But Pecker had no benefit from the scheme?

In fact Pecker lost money.

Pecker paid out large sums of cash to people for their salacious Trump stories.
Even when Trump did not reimburse him for some of this cash outlay, Pecker continues with the scheme.

Pecker could have made a great deal of money printing those stories to sell more papers.
So Pecker takes that loss too.

What was Becker's motive?
Was there some other quid pro quo?
Or perhaps cash from some other source to help Trump?
Or some sort of pressure?

Enquiring minds want to know.

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What was David Pecker's motive for the catch and kill scheme? (Original Post) Irish_Dem Apr 23 OP
IMO, it was a bad business decision. no_hypocrisy Apr 23 #1
But what profit? Irish_Dem Apr 23 #4
You're correct. Missing information. no_hypocrisy Apr 23 #13
No there had to be more than accommodations at a golf resort. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #21
Selling more rags at the MOMFUDSKI Apr 23 #18
He would have sold more rags printing Trump's stories. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #22
What is the demographic for buying those Rags? FHRRK Apr 23 #41
Someone here said Trump stories sold more copies of the NE. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #45
Having dirt on the President has gotta be worth something. tinrobot Apr 23 #2
Gathering black mail information? Irish_Dem Apr 23 #5
Maybe not blackmail, but information is power for a publishing company. tinrobot Apr 23 #26
Good point. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #28
Good question Raven123 Apr 23 #3
Some good guesses. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #7
Your #4 could be close. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #10
(6) An obscure Putin/Saudi connection? ariadne0614 Apr 23 #54
Keeping a (alleged) billionaire president as a pal is nourishment for one's ego. Ping Tung Apr 23 #6
Yes that could be the case. One narcissist sucking up to another narcissist. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #8
Maybe he was hoarding kompromat for future use. yorkster Apr 23 #27
Yes good guess. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #29
Or selling it to Putin Diraven Apr 23 #43
It was part of a larger business relationship unblock Apr 23 #9
Yes this is what I am thinking too. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #11
Not sure National Enquirer was all that profitable but maybe they earned enough from celebrities hlthe2b Apr 23 #12
Oh this is an interesting idea. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #16
Isnt he basically Danny Devito Johonny Apr 23 #20
Yes this could be it. Pecker was well used to catch and kill with other celebrities. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #23
maybe... myohmy2 Apr 23 #14
Maybe Pecker was being paid by Russia. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #24
Pecker didn't pay $130k to Stormy LiberalFighter Apr 23 #15
Yes. I know. But Pecker was said to pay Karen McDougal $150K that Trump did not pay back? Irish_Dem Apr 23 #17
Maybe that will be revealed later? LiberalFighter Apr 23 #19
Yes we are missing pieces of the story. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #25
Maybe he thought the Enquirer would be worth more and get bought out. bucolic_frolic Apr 23 #30
His motive now is not to go to prison. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #31
He wanted at least 4 years of djt and his quips and babylonsister Apr 23 #32
What the media has been saying.... usedtobedemgurl Apr 23 #33
I didn't realize Trump was such a big draw for the NE. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #34
I have heard that from MSNBC for sure. usedtobedemgurl Apr 23 #35
Wow. Ok, that would be a motive for Pecker to suck up to Trump. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #37
I think Rachel was part of a panel I heard it on. usedtobedemgurl Apr 23 #38
Yes Trump was just part of the NE catch and kill blackmail scheme. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #42
Weak character lead to a deeply misguided attempt at social climbing mahina Apr 23 #36
Two deeply flawed human beings using each other. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #39
I believe the benefit for pecker if trump won the presidency, was proximity to real political power. louslobbs Apr 23 #40
Yes that has been a big part of addiction to Trump. Addiction to power. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #46
Didn't Speaker Inertia sagetea Apr 23 #44
Yes, did Putin funnel money to Pecker and other media outlets? Irish_Dem Apr 23 #47
Well... sagetea Apr 23 #52
Makes sense. Putin was pulling out all the stops to get Trump installed. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #55
Access. Power. Prestige. Kid Berwyn Apr 23 #48
Yes he got something. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #50
"This is Ground Zero of Fake News." -- Andrew Weissmann, former DoJ bigwig. Kid Berwyn Apr 23 #57
Like Pelosi said, with Trump all roads lead back to Russia. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #59
From what I've read, issues of this rag with the defendant on the cover sold more than any others Stinky The Clown Apr 23 #49
So Trump had to promise more stories to make up for the killed stories. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #51
Pecker's testimony today contradicted this. He said there was nothing in it for him. Stinky The Clown Apr 23 #72
He raked in the dough on the anti-Clinton bs atories. GreenWave Apr 23 #53
Raking in dough from more than one source most likely. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #56
This probably sounds naive senseandsensibility Apr 23 #58
That certainly could be a part of it. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #62
Trump was more likely to give him the tax cut he wanted than Hillary would have been jmowreader Apr 23 #60
Yes another piece of the motive. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #63
In kind campaign contribution to Trump's 2016 campaign? applegrove Apr 23 #61
Yes but he wanted something in return. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #64
Well he gave Trump something of value. Should not applegrove Apr 23 #67
I think so. So many crimes. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #69
Here malaise Apr 23 #65
The simple fun of exercising great power???? nt LAS14 Apr 23 #66
Yes a piece of it, I agree. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #68
Alex Wagner is running a piece on this mnmoderatedem Apr 23 #70
Interesting. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #71

no_hypocrisy

(46,202 posts)
1. IMO, it was a bad business decision.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:30 PM
Apr 23

Speculating on profits that never came. Greed. Being obsequious to TSF. Being a King-maker by making Hillary lose.

He's lucky she didn't sue him for defamation/libel. Carol Burnett got a tidy little sum for doing just that.

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
4. But what profit?
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:33 PM
Apr 23

That is the question I am asking, what profit did Pecker think was coming his way?

Pecker does not strike me as the type to make bad business decisions, laying out all kinds of big cash.
For nothing in return.

I think there is a missing piece of information.

no_hypocrisy

(46,202 posts)
13. You're correct. Missing information.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:45 PM
Apr 23

Maybe Pecker was offered a lifetime free membership at Mar-A-Lago or another golf course. I can't see TSF offer any portion of ownership in any of his properties.

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
21. No there had to be more than accommodations at a golf resort.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:56 PM
Apr 23

And no one would believe Trump's promises any way.

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
22. He would have sold more rags printing Trump's stories.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:57 PM
Apr 23

Trump was running for POTUS.
The papers would fly off the shelves.

FHRRK

(500 posts)
41. What is the demographic for buying those Rags?
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:48 PM
Apr 23

In my multiple rotations around the Sun I have never bought one.
Guessing a trump supporter is much more likely to read the garbage they push out.

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
45. Someone here said Trump stories sold more copies of the NE.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:51 PM
Apr 23

So Trump news played to their demographic.

tinrobot

(10,916 posts)
26. Maybe not blackmail, but information is power for a publishing company.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:02 PM
Apr 23

For a publisher, having a president in your back pocket is usually good for business.

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
28. Good point.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:05 PM
Apr 23

Trump has no boundaries whatsoever.
Could be helpful for someone with a scandal sheet newspaper.

So investing in Trump was an investment in future stories from the White House.

Raven123

(4,872 posts)
3. Good question
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:33 PM
Apr 23

1) Access to the office of POTUS?
2) living in the bubble that admired TFG?
3) Sucked into the MAGA cult?
4) The mob never lets people out. Once he made the mistake of getting into something illegal, can’t get out. TFG would have Cohened him?
5) Clearly I have no idea

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
7. Some good guesses.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:36 PM
Apr 23

I don't know either.

But one thing I do know.

The answer to my question is not going to be pretty.

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
10. Your #4 could be close.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:40 PM
Apr 23

Pecker and Trump had some other illegal activities in common?

Something like that.

Ping Tung

(703 posts)
6. Keeping a (alleged) billionaire president as a pal is nourishment for one's ego.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:35 PM
Apr 23

It's like the movie-stars in the '50s who hung around with mafia gangsters.

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
8. Yes that could be the case. One narcissist sucking up to another narcissist.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:39 PM
Apr 23

But Pecker was putting out a lot of cash.
And taking losses.

He placed his own job in jeopardy, breaking the law as well as money down the drain.

But that is why the Trump sycophants do I suppose.

I think there is more to this story.
Don't know yet what it is.

Diraven

(533 posts)
43. Or selling it to Putin
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:49 PM
Apr 23

I wonder how much of that catch-and-kill could have ended up as catch-and-sell to Russia.

unblock

(52,331 posts)
9. It was part of a larger business relationship
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:39 PM
Apr 23

Donnie fed him info he could use. The one thing I've seen cited was a heads up on who was getting kicked out next on the apprentice. But I'm sure there was other stuff he published as well, related to him campaigning or otherwise.

I think not getting reimbursed is what killed the deal. Donnie won the election and had no further use for pecker, so he screwed him, it's the trump way.

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
11. Yes this is what I am thinking too.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:41 PM
Apr 23

Other shady business deals.
This was just one of them.

Maybe more than Trump just giving him info.

hlthe2b

(102,379 posts)
12. Not sure National Enquirer was all that profitable but maybe they earned enough from celebrities
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:45 PM
Apr 23

paying them off not to run stories. But the publication (along with its sister sites in the UK) was sold a year ago in February. It seems the major "worth" was in its many many decades of archived stories which go back even earlier than Elvis Presley's days and number 100s of thousands of articles.

So, perhaps Pecker's main concern was keeping NE buzz going with its front page stories on every checkout line--whether consumers bought it or not. That might not have made for a lot of new profits, but maintained the then-current worth, I suppose.

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
16. Oh this is an interesting idea.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:50 PM
Apr 23

Catch and Kill was a separate NE product line.
Not just for Trump.

Basically a kind of black mail?

Getting salacious stories on celebrities and then giving them a chance to pay Pecker not to print the story.

And or they didn't make that much money selling papers but were accumulating the archive of stories to sell eventually.

Johonny

(20,890 posts)
20. Isnt he basically Danny Devito
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:55 PM
Apr 23

In LA Confidential. Hush-hush publication made money for him as a scandal rag, a smear rag, and to bury stories . . . They were all part of the normal business model.

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
23. Yes this could be it. Pecker was well used to catch and kill with other celebrities.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:59 PM
Apr 23

Trump was just one of many.

So Pecker was a crook before he met Trump.

myohmy2

(3,177 posts)
14. maybe...
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:46 PM
Apr 23

...he wanted to be ambassador to russia...

...it can be hard sometimes to understand the actions of a pecker...

...

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
17. Yes. I know. But Pecker was said to pay Karen McDougal $150K that Trump did not pay back?
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 04:53 PM
Apr 23

And Pecker paid the doorman $30K and I don't know if Trump reimbursed that either.

But yes Cohen mortgaged his home to pay Stormy for Trump.

bucolic_frolic

(43,311 posts)
30. Maybe he thought the Enquirer would be worth more and get bought out.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:08 PM
Apr 23

There's been and continues a lot of consolidation in the media space, globally.

What is his motivation now? He's part of the plot so he's singing?

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
31. His motive now is not to go to prison.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:11 PM
Apr 23

He was given immunity in exchange for giving information to federal prosecutors.

Yes perhaps Pecker thought his collaboration with Trump would enhance the value of the paper.
And could be sold for a higher price.

babylonsister

(171,094 posts)
32. He wanted at least 4 years of djt and his quips and
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:13 PM
Apr 23

stories and lies to sprawl across the front page of his tawdry magazine to make money. He wanted to keep trump in his pocket and this is how that was supposedly accomplished.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,145 posts)
33. What the media has been saying....
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:30 PM
Apr 23

Is this was a money/profit move. Trump granted him access to some personal stories that were good for Trump to get out. When Trump appeared in the rag, it sold more copies. It was a simple quid pro quo. They did not publish bad stories about Trump but published bad stories about his perceived enemies. In exchange, Trump gave them exclusives which made him more popular and made the rag lots of money.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,145 posts)
38. I think Rachel was part of a panel I heard it on.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:43 PM
Apr 23

They discussed how they did that regularly with famous folks and celebrities. I think I recall them specifically saying Arnold Schwarzenegger had stories buried and in return he gave them exclusives. It almost sounded like a blackmail type of situation but was not presented as such. The celebration gives them exclusives and they bury the big bad stories.

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
42. Yes Trump was just part of the NE catch and kill blackmail scheme.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:48 PM
Apr 23

I agree, getting damaging stories about celebrities then asking for money to kill the story
is blackmail.

Maybe that is part of the reason Trump was mad at Pecker and didn't pay Pecker back
for the Karen McDougal payment.

mahina

(17,705 posts)
36. Weak character lead to a deeply misguided attempt at social climbing
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:38 PM
Apr 23

Trump put the moves on him Because he saw that David pecker could be useful to him. He was used and influenced to make dumb decisions including participating in the scheme described above.

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
39. Two deeply flawed human beings using each other.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:43 PM
Apr 23

Yes that could be the case.
I also think Pecker had a money motive of some sort.

louslobbs

(3,238 posts)
40. I believe the benefit for pecker if trump won the presidency, was proximity to real political power.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:45 PM
Apr 23

Real political power! The kind of power very few people ever find themselves close to. Power that becomes an aphrodisiac to many people, even if they may already have some legitimate power themselves, they still fantasize about having more power or being close in proximity to ultimate power such as presidential power.

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
46. Yes that has been a big part of addiction to Trump. Addiction to power.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:52 PM
Apr 23

And the money that goes with power.

sagetea

(1,375 posts)
44. Didn't Speaker Inertia
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:50 PM
Apr 23

Nancy Pelosi once say "With trump all roads lead to Russia" ? or something like that?


sage

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
55. Makes sense. Putin was pulling out all the stops to get Trump installed.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 06:12 PM
Apr 23

And the NE killing negative stories about Trump and printing negative stories about Trump's opponents
was a big help.

Kid Berwyn

(14,971 posts)
48. Access. Power. Prestige.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:54 PM
Apr 23

Knowledge is power, especially when it impacts a rich person's wealth, position and connections.

Mr. Pecker may have been rewarded in ways that are not apparent on his company's bottom line, but can be seen on his relentlessly smiling wug.

Kid Berwyn

(14,971 posts)
57. "This is Ground Zero of Fake News." -- Andrew Weissmann, former DoJ bigwig.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 06:16 PM
Apr 23

Weissmann, on Nicole Wallace's show, said that Trump and Pecker utilized the nation's mass media to manipulate candidate coverage. They'd destroy stories critical of candidate Trump, including his love life. Enemies were punished by the publication of negative stories. For example, they'd talk about Cruz having various affairs (as if such a thing were possible) and the next thing you know, other outlets start "covering the story."

In writing this, I look back and remember just how the focus before 2016 was Donald the TV personality, mobster, racist, etc., but NOT his role as a real-life Putin's Puppet.

Stinky The Clown

(67,819 posts)
49. From what I've read, issues of this rag with the defendant on the cover sold more than any others
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:56 PM
Apr 23

That could have been his motive.

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
51. So Trump had to promise more stories to make up for the killed stories.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:59 PM
Apr 23

But was Pecker willing to commit federal crimes just to get more stories for his paper?
I guess so.

Stinky The Clown

(67,819 posts)
72. Pecker's testimony today contradicted this. He said there was nothing in it for him.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 09:58 PM
Apr 23

I have trouble believing that.

senseandsensibility

(17,146 posts)
58. This probably sounds naive
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 06:20 PM
Apr 23

but is it possible he did it to curry favor with trump, who he actually seems to like? I think one of the things he testified to this morning was how cheato introduced him to people in NY and helped him make friends. Maybe he saw him as someone who helped him make connections.

Irish_Dem

(47,453 posts)
63. Yes another piece of the motive.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 08:15 PM
Apr 23

I think there were a number of reasons why Pecker did the catch and kill for Trump.

DUers are giving some good reasons.

applegrove

(118,808 posts)
67. Well he gave Trump something of value. Should not
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 08:32 PM
Apr 23

Trump have claimed it all as a campaign in kind donation?

mnmoderatedem

(3,729 posts)
70. Alex Wagner is running a piece on this
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 09:11 PM
Apr 23

quoting the transcript between the prosecutor and Pecker. Prosecutor asking why Pecker bought and killed the story. Pecker essentially said it was so he could help trump get elected.
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