condemned it." To date, very few conservatives have condemned it.

Why are conservative voices being promoted here to bash Democrats?

Fuck center right AKA conservative asshole Matt Lewis.

And a part of the problem if you deny it.

https://www.isdglobal.org/explainers/far-left-antisemitism/

But, the media will link us together and people will fall for it! It has to be disavowed and loudly by a coalition of Democrats before that link is permanent!

you are already in the wrong.


from your link

I'm not stupid. But, the media will play this over and over until people believe it. The Democrats, especially more progressive Democrats, need to get before the cart!! Band together and denounce them. Before the media plays us once again.

And yes, Matt Lewis is conservative and has his own stupid opinions, but he's right.

Watching antisemitism proliferate in the absence of condemnation is not an option.

To use a popular phrase, I've seen enough.

The left tens to empathize with the underdog, and we don;t like oppression.

For that reason, most of us feel some sympathy for the Palestinian peoples who have been oppressed by right-wing Israeli governments.

Unfortunately, that sympathy has morphed into gullibility to some. They have bought the tale of victimhood peddaled by disingenuous activists who are deeply Antisemitic at their very root. They have told a tale of peaceful indigenous farmers cruelly displaced by Jewish European Colonizers.

And inthe process, have completely forgetten the context of Jewish emmigration from Europe, and perhaps never knew the Imperialist history of "Palestine."

The problem is complex, but people tend to want to boil things down to good guys and bad guys.

when there is no way of proving they belong to that group.

My mother was a child living in Berlin in WWII she wasn't a Nazi. But the brutal reality was that she had to bear the consequences of a war to elminate the Nazi threat. Was it "fair?" Nope. But it was necessary. 125,000 civilians died during the two week period dubbed the "Battle of Berlin." Fortunately, she wasn't one of them.

That doesn't excuse Israeli war crimes, but I've heard NOTHING from the "cease fire now" folks that would even come close to solving the problem. A permanent cease fire that keeps Hamas in power, just delays the next onslaught. If Hamas gave even a little shit about its supposed people, they would be negotiating an exit from power. Instead, they are calling for escalation. And somehow, it's STILL the fault of the Jews to some.

But, even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day. There's a problem from anarchists on the left. We can't let them co-opt this important movement, and they may. Hate should be condemned.

I think they were probably outside neo-nazi agitators. That's why they wore masks.

Did you miss what was happening at Columbia? Or is harassing Jewish students and telling them they’ll get more October 7ths not antisemitism to you?

and IMHO they are doing their best to get Trump elected.

Especially when some right wing douche bag is involved.

Let's add telling Jews to "go back to Poland"

And this

Link to tweet

Let's try to be in touch with reality a little bit, okay?

Do the protesters hate Jews or do they hate Israel?

They tend to hate Muslims even more.

Since they are harassing American Jewish students, I think they have conflated their hate.

Israel is a Jewish state. Therefore, all Jews are responsible for Israeli actions.

The majority of protestors are Jewish.

n/t

If you want, but two things

I know very few Republicans who support Palestine but a lot of em fly Israeli flags.

And in some of these protests, it's student id only, so unless these icy league schools suddenly began leaning right l, it's a safe bet they are mostly on the left

This is our disaster, and we need to fix it, not try and blame the boogy man who has enough real issues to lay at their feet

I'm not saying there wereno students there, but it was not a requirement.

Columbia that definitely were at the protest. Stop trying to make this what it isn't. There is nasty foul things being said at these things, towards Jews.

That should be where it begins and ends with everyone

Is there video from the camp itself?

And I'm not even trying that find them.

If you choose to not find/see the dirty side of the protests, then I can't help you.

Apparently the white House entertains anti-semites also, even though I doubt it's because they are anti-semites

Keep in mind that the streets are public, and the folks in those videos could be anyone.

A certain congresswomans daughter

She was arrested with others for trespassing. Did she say something antisemitic?

identify as left. One of them, Ilham Omar's daughter, Isra Hirsi, has been making press rounds. She was of the group of Columbia students who were arrested. There are many other public protest voices who have been making press rounds and who identify as lefties. If you read a paper or watch the interviews, it's apparent.

I look forward to when this all goes back to the I/P forum.

And why the usual suspects here on DU are driving such divisive drivel from a RWNJ.

this trash was post here

I understand that the US wants to protect Israel, but it's really gotten out of hand IMO

The news is just gut wrenching. I can't stand hearing children and families killed, no matter the race/religion/country...

I am all for a cease fire

Even when you lead them by the hand and show it to them.

Let me help you. The answer is no. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

So then don’t have an antisemitism problem.

But, if we don't disavow all hate, we are not the progressive left. Our progressive left leaders need to get ahead of this story. Because that is how corporate media will spin this. So, yes, we do have a problem.

Jews, Muslims and lines up followers promoting all this hate even including organized Neo-nazies yet no police rounding up jailing his followers?
Question 1 is why is antisemitism the hate speech that must be stopped yet Trump's racist rants are ignored?
Question 2 is are you suggesting we shoot fellow cease fire advocates if they suggest a dislike of Jews for killing 15,000 children in the name of Anti-Terror?
Question 3 is are you thinking the protests need to have check points to quiz the participants making sure there are no antisemitic people wanting a cease fire allowed in and if so how would that work?

I am saying that corporate media is in the hands of right wing billionaires who will paint a broad picture of the left (Democrats) as being antisemitic communists. The corporate media will finger point at us because that's what they are paid to do. Very few true journalists exist anymore. And the ordinary person who listens to their message won't look any deeper and see what is going on. We, Democrats, need to be in front of this story instead of lagging behind and letting corporate media do the bidding of billionaires who desperately want the orange blobfather back in office. They want more tax cuts and will lie, cheat and steal elections any way they can.

Maybe these people aren't true lefties but they're lumping themselves in with us. Like it or not we should call it out when we see it.

Hamas' current (and prior) obliteration of Gaza, one is not necessarily antisemitic, but is surely biased in some way. Antisemitism is the most likely explanation, but is certainly not the only one.

Literally both sides are Semitic.

You should look into this and learn why.

and some on this board, it seems, don't know that Arabs are semites.

and nothing else. It makes no difference whatsoever if anyone other than Jews is a Semite. Those who attempt to excuse antisemitism with "Arabs are Semites too" are playing silly meaningless word games with themselves, nobody else.

Arabs are Semites. And god spelled backwards is dog. So friggin what?

which has little to do with the definition of antisemitism.

The Department of State has used a working definition, along with examples, of antisemitism since 2010. On May 26, 2016, the 31 member states of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA), of which the United States is a member, adopted a non-legally binding “working definition” of antisemitism at its plenary in Bucharest. This definition is consistent with and builds upon the information contained in the 2010 State Department definition. As a member of IHRA, the United States now uses this working definition and has encouraged other governments and international organizations to use it as well.

On 26 May 2016, the Plenary in Bucharest decided to adopt the following non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism:

“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/

It is in the same vein of those who screech, "I am not a "homophobe" because I am not afraid of homos!"

Hey, did you hear, pedophiles aren't really child molesters, because 'pedophile' literally means "lover of children".

And, if you ever get real bored, and decide to come to Oklahoma, let me know, we can ride some river horses...

What about the ones waving the Palestinian flag and saying "from the river to the sea?" What about those defending Hamas? What about the young men covering their face, purposely trying to look like terrorists?

On that note, I can't stand Netanyahu and some of the things he's done lately.

Others just don't like Jews who fight back.

but go ahead with your get our of genocide card

Someone whose opinion I will never value, is Matt Lewis.

Anarchists? Communists? Socialists? Democratic Socialists? Fabian Socialists? Liberals? Democrats? Christian Socialists? Jewish leftists of all stripes? etc, etc, etc.

Many of them are Jews...Marx and Engels were Jews. Bernie Sanders is a Jew and a Socialist and like many other Jews are calling for Israel to put a stop to the bombing and attempts to starve out the Palestinians. .

stood up and condemned it." Like who?

People were terrified. I wasn't, because I was sure they wouldn't be making runs on homeowners -- I was right --but others were, and it brought out the worst in a lot of folks. They blamed BLM, and I'm sure the gangs were taking advantage of the situation, the lockdowns, the confusion, all of it. A few really bad people made a lot of really good people look bad for no reason. I'm sure the same thing is happening again. Agitators need to be denounced, quickly, lest the message of sincere protestors be drowned out.

and protesters informed about how to protest and how to spot and stop outside agitators. Impressive, like the '60s Civil Rights movement, not the revisionist version where screaming threats and disrupting ordinary people's lives is supposedly normal protesting.

There are people out there who could take a lesson from those organizers.

No room on a liberal board to support either. That is my extremely simple take.

society says opposing a genocide is a far more egregious offense than committing one.

Stopping the slaughter in Gaza is more important than some privileged Ivy Leaguers pretending to feel “unsafe” or “unwelcome” on campus.

Stopping the slaughter in Gaza is more important than whatever you’re pretending to believe “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means.

Stopping the slaughter in Gaza is more important than making sure everyone says all the right words and condemns Hamas with sufficient fervor.

It is a symptom of the cancerousness of western civilization that there are people living their whole lives under the entirely unquestioned assumption that their feelings are so important that it is fine and normal to expect that a limitless number of impoverished foreigners may be killed without any opposition whatsoever in order to promote the interests of their favorite ethnostate, and that anyone who does oppose it is persecuting them.

It is a symptom of how diseased our entire society has become that people are so narcissistic that they now perceive protests against genocide on university campuses as a direct attack against them and their identity, and will use any amount of spin and mental contortion to make this seem true.

People’s feelings should be uncomfortable when a genocide is happening.

None of us should be feeling comfortable with any of this. We should be feeling very, very uncomfortable, and letting that discomfort drive us to end this nightmare forever.

Perfectly put.

It's like they want to make this about feelings of anti-semitism, real or imagined, rather than genocide that is real.

So heartfelt and truly said. Stopping the slaughter and starvation of Gaza's
is the point. If we do not speak up now, when will we?

I am grateful that these students are protesting and speaking out.
It gives me some hope for the goodness of humans.

Consider posting your comment as an OP.

They believe Jews are "from" Europe and thus Israel is an illegal colonizer state. Jews are not from Europe. They're from Israel.

The antisemitism can be summarized like this:
The far right believes the only white Jew was Jesus.
The far left believes the the only brown Jew was Jesus.

You are conflating criticism of the state of Israel with racist antisemitism, which predates the existence of Israel.

They are not the same. The left needs to be able to handle nuance.

Does it include disagreeing with the policies of the Israeli government or speaking up against Zionism?

If I disagree with the policies of the US government, does that make me anti-American, if I speak against Fascism or Oligarchy, what does that make me?

If I stand up against racist, bigots who cover their asses based on their religious "faith", does that make me anti-Christian!

All I want is the definition that is being used by everyone else...so I can know where I stand!!!

Protesting the way Israel is conducting this war is not antisemitic. If that's all we were seeing, it would be a non story. But that's not all of it. These protests we're seeing on college campuses seem to be targeting Jewish professors, administrators, or students, as if Jewish US citizens have anything to do with what is going on in Gaza. That's in further of a common anti-semetic idea that American Jews can't be trusted because they're loyal to Israel over the US. I've known American Jews that couldn't care less what happens in Israel, they don't think about Israel any more than I think about Poland as the country my ancestors came from. But somehow, American Jews are responsible for what the IDF is doing and these protests seem to be vocalizing that at the very least. Heck, the US isn't even responsible, we are not Israel.

Furthermore, questioning Israel's right to exist can easily cross over a line to anti-semetism. Doesn't mean the history of Israel being formed can;t be questioned, but advocating for Israel to be dissolved now is not realistic and hearkens to their extermination.

Next, the word genocide is loaded when talking about the Jewish people. The Holocaust was genocide. The IDF absolutely committing war crimes and being too brutal is not genocide and using that word to describe it is a blatant attempt to diminish the Holocaust, also a favorite pastime of Anti semites and Neo Nazis. Hitler willfully killed 65-70% of all the Jews in Europe, this war has killed 0.14% of all the people in Gaza and while I agree the IDF is being brutal and not careful enough to protect innocents, very few civilian deaths in gaza are willful.

So it's very familiar language for Jewish people, they've heard much of it before. "Jews can't be trusted, they lie." We've seen that even in the days after the 10/7 attack where the accounts of the horrors were being questioned. Now we actually have proof, babies were beheaded, women and children were burned alive, but there was widespread push back, because, "you can't trust the Jews, they're always exaggerating for sympathy. (like they exaggerated the scope of the Holocaust)"

But I think people are also painting with too broad a brush these protesters too. There are obviously agitators in some of them. But there are very very few Hamas sympathizers. The bulk of the people are just anti war. And liberal anti war folks just see a weak country at war with a strong country and their instinct is to defend the weak.

I criticize my country when it is wrong, that is not anti-American.
I will criticize Israel when it is wrong, that is not antisemitic.
You can question my values but not my right to express them.

He is not our friend or advisor. And by the way, the left does not have
a anti-semitism problem. The Democratic Party has a youth problem.
And this is the way to drive many more of them away.