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dalton99a

(81,590 posts) Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:14 AM Apr 25

In Immunity Case, Trump Can Lose in Ways That Amount to a Win (NYT)

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/24/us/trump-immunity-case-supreme-court.html

https://archive.ph/ji7QM

In Immunity Case, Trump Can Lose in Ways That Amount to a Win
After the justices hear arguments on Thursday, how they decide may be just as important as what they decide.
By Adam Liptak
April 24, 2024

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One involves the timing of the court’s decision, which has received substantial attention given the relatively leisurely pace it has set for itself in the case. Even if Mr. Trump eventually and categorically loses, each passing week makes it more challenging for Jack Smith, the special counsel in the case, to complete the trial before the election.

The other, which has received less consideration but is no less important, is the possibility that the court’s ruling, even if issued promptly, will inject additional legal complications into the case that will take time to sort out.

The Supreme Court is unlikely to embrace the broadest version of Mr. Trump’s argument: that all of this was official conduct that cannot be the subject of a criminal prosecution. But the case is complicated enough that the justices may not issue a definitive ruling.

That is what happened in 2020, when another case involving Mr. Trump reached the justices just months before a presidential election. The question was similar to the one the court will consider on Thursday: whether Mr. Trump was entitled to a form of absolute presidential immunity allowing him to block prosecutors from obtaining his tax records.

In July 2020, Mr. Trump lost the case. But the loss was a kind of victory. The court sent the case back to the lower courts for more analysis, running out the clock.

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In Immunity Case, Trump Can Lose in Ways That Amount to a Win (NYT) (Original Post) dalton99a Apr 25 OP

Now the NYT is just trolling us. 617Blue Apr 25 #1

Future NYT headline: Trump Snags Important Victory As He Begins His Incarceration dalton99a Apr 25 #3

Seriously, this is troll 617Blue Apr 25 #4

Does that mean you don't think the outcome described by the Times article can't and won't happen? onenote Apr 25 #5

The headline with the smug pic could be less flattering to their hero 617Blue Apr 25 #6

Not really an answer to the question: is the outcome described by the article possible? onenote Apr 25 #8

The headline is exactly what they've been lampooned for. 617Blue Apr 25 #11

Here ya go 617Blue Apr 25 #12

So everything the Times reports, even when it undeniably a fact, is not to be accepted onenote Apr 25 #13

Dude I get it, you're a lawyer, good for you 617Blue Apr 25 #14

Dude, I get it. You see bias in factual discussions you don't like. onenote Apr 25 #17

No I see bias in newspaper headlines - see it all the time. 617Blue Apr 25 #18

Delay, delay, delay.... MiHale Apr 25 #2

The NY Times article is right wing BS. gab13by13 Apr 25 #7

Since the article is about how the Court's decision could further delay the trial onenote Apr 25 #9

"everything to do with getting Trump to trial" TwilightZone Apr 25 #10

This is the antithesis of those "Here's how good news for President Biden spells bad news for President Biden:" Aristus Apr 25 #15

Exactly, bad news for Dump is good news for Dump! 617Blue Apr 25 #16

617Blue

(1,281 posts)

1. Now the NYT is just trolling us.

Reply to dalton99a (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:21 AM

Apr 25

dalton99a

(81,590 posts)

3. Future NYT headline: Trump Snags Important Victory As He Begins His Incarceration

Reply to 617Blue (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:28 AM

Apr 25

617Blue

(1,281 posts)

4. Seriously, this is troll

Reply to dalton99a (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:37 AM

Apr 25

it's like they read the NYT Pitchbot and said how can we twist this headline to own the libs.

Yesterday they informed us that their polling says that men think Dump respects women.

onenote

(42,768 posts)

5. Does that mean you don't think the outcome described by the Times article can't and won't happen?

Reply to 617Blue (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:46 AM

Apr 25

If it can and possibly will happen, how is the Times "trolling us" by reporting that fact?

617Blue

(1,281 posts)

6. The headline with the smug pic could be less flattering to their hero

Reply to onenote (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:53 AM

Apr 25

Everything's a win for Dump. How about - Conservative SC justices aiding Trump with delays.

onenote

(42,768 posts)

8. Not really an answer to the question: is the outcome described by the article possible?

Reply to 617Blue (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:17 AM

Apr 25

Keep in mind that the Government's brief before the Supreme Court specifically addresses the possibility that the Court will find that former presidents have immunity for "official acts" and discusses how that should impact the trial going forward.

617Blue

(1,281 posts)

11. The headline is exactly what they've been lampooned for.

Reply to onenote (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:59 AM

Apr 25

And frankly I don't give a fuck about the bullshit the SC hands down. GOP operatives in black robes.

Knock yourself out trying to untangle their pretzel logic - but do it quick because they'll contradict themselves as soon as it serves them.

617Blue

(1,281 posts)

12. Here ya go

Reply to onenote (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 25, 2024, 09:21 AM

Apr 25

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/04/25/new-york-times-biden-white-house-00154219

onenote

(42,768 posts)

13. So everything the Times reports, even when it undeniably a fact, is not to be accepted

Reply to 617Blue (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 25, 2024, 10:48 AM

Apr 25

If I find a source that reports exactly the same thing -- and there plenty -- should I disbelieve them? Is it fake news because its not what you want to hear?

Should I add NBC and the Washington Post to the sources that are actually "trolls""
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/trump-win-supreme-court-immunity-argument-rcna148384
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/24/trump-supreme-court-immunity-dc-trial/

To be clear, I hope Smith prevails and if the Court sends the case back to the district court for more fact finding, they agree with Smith that it can be done during the trial and doesn't have to be handled in pre-trial proceedings.

The Harvey Weinstein convictions were just reversed by the New York appeals court -- should serve as a reminder that the outcome of Trump's trials is in doubt until they are not.

617Blue

(1,281 posts)

14. Dude I get it, you're a lawyer, good for you

Reply to onenote (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 25, 2024, 11:03 AM

Apr 25

I'm talking about the undeniably biased tone in the NYT coverage.

onenote

(42,768 posts)

17. Dude, I get it. You see bias in factual discussions you don't like.

Reply to 617Blue (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 25, 2024, 11:18 AM

Apr 25

617Blue

(1,281 posts)

18. No I see bias in newspaper headlines - see it all the time.

Reply to onenote (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 25, 2024, 01:05 PM

Apr 25

MiHale

(9,781 posts)

2. Delay, delay, delay....

Reply to dalton99a (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:27 AM

Apr 25

With all his cases all that’s ever going to happen is delay, appeal, delay, appeal, delay, delay.

He’s 77 years old. He’ll die before any closure…unless he appeals that …then delays.

gab13by13

(21,407 posts)

7. The NY Times article is right wing BS.

Reply to dalton99a (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:06 AM

Apr 25

This appeal has nothing to do with immunity, it has everything to do with getting Trump to trial.

The SC only took 1 month to get Trump back on the Colorado ballot.