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Tumbulu

(6,292 posts)
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:28 AM Apr 25

Alito seems so proud to be the stupidest

Listening to the oral arguments in the Idaho case yesterday I remain shocked that a person of such low intellect even got a law degree. Let alone shows off that quality with such zest.

Not only is Dobbs the craziest ( and terribly written) decision ever delivered by the court; his doubling down on and being so damned proud of being stupid is just unbelievable to me.

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Alito seems so proud to be the stupidest (Original Post) Tumbulu Apr 25 OP
We need to question this court's legitimacy ck4829 Apr 25 #1
No, we need to question how dumb people end up with advanced degrees. OldBaldy1701E Apr 25 #4
Of course, let's do both ck4829 Apr 25 #5
I had a boss once whose parents weren't rich BlueKota Apr 25 #11
I hope you told that volunteer, "Yes." OldBaldy1701E Apr 25 #14
Hear, hear! Mr. Mustard 2023 Apr 25 #23
And tuition fees are so high. LiberalFighter Apr 25 #31
Very true! DeeDeeNY Apr 25 #17
Doesn't Have An Advanced Degree ProfessorGAC Apr 25 #29
i believe the affirmative action case undermines that, too. mopinko Apr 25 #18
Not long ago... czarjak Apr 25 #20
The problem with that analysis is that Alito graduated Yale law while editing the law review. Hardly the W Bush student. Ford_Prefect Apr 25 #32
Do you think then, that it is part of his show Tumbulu Apr 25 #35
I think he's intentionally mean and arrogant as a way of intimidating anyone else. Ford_Prefect Apr 25 #41
It's not just the degree. It's a whole career glide path laid out for some people. Gidney N Cloyd Apr 25 #46
Unfortunately BlueKota Apr 25 #8
Well, we got to start somewhere ck4829 Apr 25 #10
That's because... Mike Nelson Apr 25 #2
To hear him talk, you'd think treating the fetus was paramount in all of this and that the Vinca Apr 25 #3
Exactly Redleg Apr 25 #7
A way to subjugate women... Joinfortmill Apr 25 #13
Well even that puts a woman over the fetus she's carrying Farmer-Rick Apr 25 #33
Women never mattered to him. He's the type that only respects himself. haele Apr 26 #49
Drunk with power... rubbersole Apr 25 #6
Alito is justice in reverse DFW Apr 25 #9
that's the whole point of the federalist program. unblock Apr 25 #28
He's not stupid. He's insane. LuvLoogie Apr 25 #12
He's a Zealot Roy Rolling Apr 25 #16
Precisely! Mr. Mustard 2023 Apr 25 #24
I submit Clarence Thomas is way more intellectually challenged. nt Gore1FL Apr 25 #15
Well, it is a tough call, but I stand by Tumbulu Apr 25 #36
Wrong Snoopy 7 Apr 25 #19
Plus, W was for him, so... czarjak Apr 25 #22
Yes. Arrogantly ignorant and proud of it. yorkster Apr 25 #21
Alito is not a man of low intellect. He is a man filled with zealous Roman Catholic dogma. Texin Apr 25 #25
He appears to be extremely low in intellect Tumbulu Apr 25 #37
Narcissists aren't the most self-aware people dlk Apr 25 #26
When Alito was on the evening news, he mentioned "the life of the child" KS Toronado Apr 25 #27
bet he didn't mention the life of the pregnant woman unblock Apr 25 #30
Exactly Farmer-Rick Apr 25 #34
Sammie's a made man. Kid Berwyn Apr 25 #38
Wow!!! Thank you for sharing this history Tumbulu Apr 25 #39
Justice Robert's court will go down as The Corrupt Court. To insure those in future understand the mistakes and cruelty Traurigkeit Apr 25 #40
Alito is a partisan hack who is lousy at history and the law. The Dobbs opinion is really a piece of crap LetMyPeopleVote Apr 25 #42
Plenty of stupid people get into law school NanaCat Apr 25 #43
Sam the Sham Alito isn't stupid, he is corrupt and and political hack Hassler Apr 25 #44
Alito is a highly arrogant theocrat born in the wrong century & nation... Hekate Apr 25 #45
Biden could order special forces to abduct Jesse Watters and forced him to watch Rachel Maddow 24/7 for months LetMyPeopleVote Apr 25 #47
A Proclamation by President Biden👇💯👍✊ /s LetMyPeopleVote Apr 26 #48

ck4829

(35,091 posts)
1. We need to question this court's legitimacy
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:30 AM
Apr 25

We can't these crooked justices and a legitimate SCOTUS at the same time.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,161 posts)
4. No, we need to question how dumb people end up with advanced degrees.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:52 AM
Apr 25

But we would never question an institution of higher learning, now would we?

Face it, as long as a trust fund baby has parents that dump money into a college, that baby will get a degree, regardless of whether or not they actually earned it (and, in most cases, they probably could not have gotten it any other way). And, that baby will be treated like a real intelligent person (as long as they keep their mouths shut, which they seldom are capable of doing) thanks to a piece of paper that proves nothing and the fact that they come from money. And, we wonder why this nation is crumbling in regard to intelligence and capability. When one passes out degrees to the highest bidder, well...

BlueKota

(1,785 posts)
11. I had a boss once whose parents weren't rich
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:04 AM
Apr 25

but he had a masters degree. He was lazy and dumber than a box of rocks. One of our volunteers asked me one day, if they were giving away master's degrees in cereal boxes?

This is sad that even many educational facilities standards have lowered so much.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,161 posts)
14. I hope you told that volunteer, "Yes."
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:21 AM
Apr 25

The standards are lower because they want to be a corporation (i.e.: they have to make a profit). They are not a corporation, they are an education facility. The desire to make every single thing in this country corporate is what is fueling this crap (as well as most of what is wrong with this nation). But, we can't seem to stop doing it. I wonder why?

ProfessorGAC

(65,195 posts)
29. Doesn't Have An Advanced Degree
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 09:40 AM
Apr 25

Yes, he says he went to Wharton which is usually inferred to mean MBA.
But, he has a BA in BA. And, even that degree is suspect.
I get your point but just wanted to be clear about his "credentials".

mopinko

(70,235 posts)
18. i believe the affirmative action case undermines that, too.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:32 AM
Apr 25

all that is not a secret. hell, when i was an apprentice carpenter, i had to work under the boss’ failson cuz daddy bought him a card. nobody minded the other son, the teacher, who worked summers. he didnt drink, or stink up the car and office bathroom every morning w his rotting liver farts. and he did good work. he deserved a card.
the best of them was the son that actually earned his card.

now harvard and yale, et al, have an out to say no to these failsons. everyone is watching. we‘ ll get sued. whether they take it or not will show who they rly r.

czarjak

(11,296 posts)
20. Not long ago...
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:55 AM
Apr 25

It was reported that Bush Sr. only only joined a fraternity and played baseball to "earn" his Ivy League Degree from Yale . No records of academic achievement.

Ford_Prefect

(7,921 posts)
32. The problem with that analysis is that Alito graduated Yale law while editing the law review. Hardly the W Bush student.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 10:13 AM
Apr 25

It seems he has gotten more the way he is now as he has aged into the bench. His early legal career was different altogether from what he is most known for since he joined the SCOTUS. That is not unusual as people age and climb institutional ladders.

This is not a defense of the man nor his horrible legal reasoning. I mean only that he was not so ignorant at the start of his career. It is a mistake on our part to assign to ignorance alone that which is evidence of a mean spirited bigot in a powerful seat. He seems to revel in his misanthropy and misogyny. His poorly reasoned opinions are evidence of a willful and malicious intent distorting legal process and precedent.

All of the hateful 6 deserve sanction and removal in favor of those with more reasoned and fairer judgement. We first need to change the bias of Congress and the Senate to allow 13 justices, one for each of the federal districts.

Tumbulu

(6,292 posts)
35. Do you think then, that it is part of his show
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 10:39 AM
Apr 25

so to speak? To appear the idiot? While displaying his misogyny and racism with such abandon?

Yes, his mean intentions show through, but you think the apparently preposterous questions is a part of his act?

Ford_Prefect

(7,921 posts)
41. I think he's intentionally mean and arrogant as a way of intimidating anyone else.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 03:27 PM
Apr 25

In short he enjoys showing his power over the court, and the lawyers, and their clients, and the LAW.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
46. It's not just the degree. It's a whole career glide path laid out for some people.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 04:51 PM
Apr 25

Have the right connections and you get to clerk for the right judges, join the right law firms, get into the right clubs, and rub the right elbows.

BlueKota

(1,785 posts)
8. Unfortunately
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:57 AM
Apr 25

even though we pretty much know the six are corrupt partisans there is nothing that can be done to them. Impeachment is the only option and the Democrats don't have a large enough majority in the Senate to pull that off.

There is the option of just ignoring their rulings though because they have no enforcement mechanisms, and have to depend on the President and the legislators for enforcement. I doubt though that most Democrats, however, would be willing to do that.

Vinca

(50,308 posts)
3. To hear him talk, you'd think treating the fetus was paramount in all of this and that the
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:48 AM
Apr 25

woman doesn't really matter. Someone needs to explain the importance of gestation to him. They might also ask he stop practicing medicine without a license.

Redleg

(5,845 posts)
7. Exactly
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:55 AM
Apr 25

The view of so many of these people seems to be that women have value only as "baby factories."

Joinfortmill

(14,464 posts)
13. A way to subjugate women...
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:19 AM
Apr 25

Been there. Not going back. These arrogant fucks opened a Pandora's box.

Farmer-Rick

(10,212 posts)
33. Well even that puts a woman over the fetus she's carrying
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 10:15 AM
Apr 25

A woman has to be alive to produce, carry and birth those fetuses. Killing women off for the sake of the unborn is really stupid policy.

Even a farmer will tell you they would rather keep the mother and lose the fetus of any animal they raise. And then we have chickens and we eat their zygotes regularly. If you killed off the mother hens you wouldn't get any more eggs.

Even if you were to treat women like baby machines, you would be treating them better than they are being treated by right wing states medical systems.

haele

(12,680 posts)
49. Women never mattered to him. He's the type that only respects himself.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:02 PM
Apr 26

He's not stupid; he's clever and a venal predator. This is an example of him letting his inner troll shine through, because he doesn't have to pretend to be a human being to get ahead any more.
He really is a lizard person.
Thomas isn't stupid either, he's just intellectually lazy and corrupt. Generally, he's aware enough to keep his mouth shut, but since Scalia passed, he apparently doesn't have a big daddy to defer to and he feels he has permission to show his disdain of people he considers slackers (generally those who don't have a lot of power or money) out in public.

Haele

rubbersole

(6,729 posts)
6. Drunk with power...
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:55 AM
Apr 25

..marinated in ignorance. Dems first priority should be expanding the court. And run on it in November.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
9. Alito is justice in reverse
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:58 AM
Apr 25

He has a pre-conceived judgment, and looks during arguments for ways to justify it.

Trevanian described it best when he called the American penchant for taking a pre-conceived notion, and then twisting and turning his logic like a pretzel until he arrives at his desired conclusion.

unblock

(52,329 posts)
28. that's the whole point of the federalist program.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 09:36 AM
Apr 25

alito is hardly alone in arriving at a conclusion first and backfilling an excuse.

it's pretty much the right-wing way.

i think scalia was one of the earlier examples (certainly bush v. gore fits) though you could still find some of his decisions where his notions of how to read the constitution didn't always lead him to a right-wing conclusion.

Roy Rolling

(6,936 posts)
16. He's a Zealot
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:28 AM
Apr 25

…a crusader. A Trojan horse. Whatever you call it, his priorities are not to interpret the law but to shape it with his opinions.

A rogue Supreme Court is only possible when the president appointing them is weak (TRUMP) and a legislature is feckless (GOP Congress).

It’s an internal coup by MAGAts infesting the executive branch. They refuse to counter-balance the Supreme Court as is required by the spirit and wording of the Constitution—a document they don’t read, can’t understand, but cite frequently.

Mr. Mustard 2023

(116 posts)
24. Precisely!
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 09:03 AM
Apr 25

Think about what is required to "believe" in (fake) "Christian" doctrine. Think about it for just a few minutes.

Virgin birth. Son of god died, to help us? Why not help us, or at least warn us? For example why didn't Jesus zoom over to China and lecture them about what's required to get into heaven? Or were those Chinese just screwed?

The obvious kicker is - those who wrote the bible give themselves absolute authority over all living things. That's a tell. Women? They're our property. Slavery is A.O.K. Animals? They're without souls so we can torture them without conscience.

Usury? No one ever mentions usury which is in both bible versions several times. I could go on.

So for an adult to read the nonsense and say "makes sense to me" means they're power mad.



Tumbulu

(6,292 posts)
36. Well, it is a tough call, but I stand by
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 10:44 AM
Apr 25

the prize going to Alito. But of course, I respect your conclusion.

Snoopy 7

(528 posts)
19. Wrong
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:38 AM
Apr 25

Alito is what happens when the wording of the Constitution doesn’t say you must have a lawyer degree. Anyone can be a SCOUTUS.You don’t have to be a lawyer just bought and sold to the rich. That explains alito’s decisions and ignorance of the law.

yorkster

(1,506 posts)
21. Yes. Arrogantly ignorant and proud of it.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:55 AM
Apr 25

What a preening " ahss". And sure of his own brilliance, no doubt.

Texin

(2,599 posts)
25. Alito is not a man of low intellect. He is a man filled with zealous Roman Catholic dogma.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 09:11 AM
Apr 25

He would have been a relentless part of the Spanish Inquisition. Indeed, he could have replaced Torquemada.

And I've read he's a member of Opus Dei. For heaven's sake, even Pope Francis isn't as relentlessly entrenched on the matters of women's reproductive rights or those of the LBGTQ community.

Tumbulu

(6,292 posts)
37. He appears to be extremely low in intellect
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 10:51 AM
Apr 25

Have you read Dobbs?

Bizarrely run your nose in poop stupid. So, yes, I think you helped me understand.

So, I am thinking as a result of this discussion that this is indeed zealotry on steroids to a very public audience.

dlk

(11,578 posts)
26. Narcissists aren't the most self-aware people
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 09:14 AM
Apr 25

They want what they want, when they want it. Logic and reason aren’t part of the equation.

KS Toronado

(17,338 posts)
27. When Alito was on the evening news, he mentioned "the life of the child"
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 09:17 AM
Apr 25

So I asked my TV set "What is the name of this child you speak of ?" Why do repugnuts always refer to
something in a womb as a walking and talking person? I know.....to stir emotion.

unblock

(52,329 posts)
30. bet he didn't mention the life of the pregnant woman
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 09:44 AM
Apr 25

the right wing doesn't give a crap about the woman. there's not even any effort to say oh, hey, it's sucks for both and it's a tough decisions but on balance the life of the fetus outweighs the life of the mother. they just lurch to fetus = baby and thou shalt not kill and end of story. tons of reasons to kill actual humans, especially if gunz are involved, but they're suddenly absolute pacifists when it comes to abortion.

a man with a gun has the right to shoot anyone he's momentarily fearful of.
a pregnant woman has no right to end a pregnancy that is guaranteed to cause a variety of harms for 40 weeks, up to and including risk of death.

but hey, they're not interested in making sense, they're just interested in flexing their power over people.

Farmer-Rick

(10,212 posts)
34. Exactly
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 10:25 AM
Apr 25

Establishing policy to allow the mother to die, or be forever injured, for the sake of the unborn, is what you expect to see in a poverty stricken or religiously insane country.

Traurigkeit

(250 posts)
40. Justice Robert's court will go down as The Corrupt Court. To insure those in future understand the mistakes and cruelty
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 02:26 PM
Apr 25

it has done to all United States Citizens not part of the 0.1 % of the Wealhty Class.

Robert's Court was based on payments.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,590 posts)
42. Alito is a partisan hack who is lousy at history and the law. The Dobbs opinion is really a piece of crap
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 03:54 PM
Apr 25

For example, Alito ignored relevant law. Alito's only support for his opinion was a witch hunter who believed in/advocated for marital rape. Here is some authority that Alito was too stupid to find or use



https://www.washingtonpost.com/made-by-history/2022/07/19/1792-case-reveals-that-key-founders-saw-abortion-private-matter/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWJpZCI6IjM4MjMyODIzIiwicmVhc29uIjoiZ2lmdCIsIm5iZiI6MTY1ODU2MjA5NSwiaXNzIjoic3Vic2NyaXB0aW9ucyIsImV4cCI6MTY1OTc3MTY5NSwiaWF0IjoxNjU4NTYyMDk1LCJqdGkiOiI0MDZjNjg4ZC1hODI2LTQ0ZWMtOGQ2Zi0zNDAwMjI3NDhiNDAiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vbWFkZS1ieS1oaXN0b3J5LzIwMjIvMDcvMTkvMTc5Mi1jYXNlLXJldmVhbHMtdGhhdC1rZXktZm91bmRlcnMtc2F3LWFib3J0aW9uLXByaXZhdGUtbWF0dGVyLyJ9.3Oz4ziKkJBN2tEYVnpVZn6nAAc14004UAhTbvAbyhAM

A basic premise of Supreme Court Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr.’s majority opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization was that the Constitution can protect the right to abortion only if it is “deeply rooted in our history and traditions.” This statement complements Justice Amy Coney Barrett’s concept of originalism, or the idea that the court should interpret the Constitution by trying to infer “the meaning that it had at the time people ratified it.”

Alito’s evidence that abortion was always considered a criminal act, and thus something the Constitution should not protect, consisted of a single criminal case that was prosecuted in 1652 in the (Catholic) colony of Maryland. He then jumped ahead to laws that states enacted, mostly in the mid-to-late-19th century, to criminalize abortion. This cursory survey of abortion in early America was hardly complete, especially because it ignored the history of abortion in the years in which the Constitution was drafted and ratified.....

Therefore, the more historically accurate conclusion is Justice Harry A. Blackmun’s majority opinion in Roe v. Wade (1973), that “at the time of the adoption of our Constitution, and throughout the majority of the 19th century, abortion was viewed with less disfavor than under most American statutes currently in effect. Phrasing it another way, a woman enjoyed a substantially broader right to terminate a pregnancy than she does in most States today. ”

Though Marshall’s notes on Commonwealth v. Randolph are extensive, this episode is poorly documented in the county court records, and, thus, no formal case law was generated. Regardless, the episode begs examination as it involved key Founders who occupied vastly different positions on the political spectrum, both nationally and in Virginia. The Federalist Marshall believed in a strong national government. Jefferson mostly supported a decentralized system. Henry was a populist. Yet all three tacitly agreed that abortion in this case was a private matter, not a criminal act worthy of further investigation and prosecution. In a remarkable coda, Nancy went on to marry Gouverneur Morris of New York, an influential signer of the Constitution, who was well aware of her backstory.

If anything, the saga demonstrates that the concept of abortion as a private matter was “deeply rooted” in the minds of our nation’s Founders. As Americans consider their next move on the abortion issue at the state level, they should be mindful of the precedents followed by these early giants of our republic.

NanaCat

(1,260 posts)
43. Plenty of stupid people get into law school
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 04:20 PM
Apr 25

Especially someone of his age, when mediocre white men could get into Ivy law schools over brown people and women.

Even a ten year delay probably would have derailed him from Yale Law and the USSC. Too many women and minorities would have trounced him from the elite path by 1982.

Hekate

(90,828 posts)
45. Alito is a highly arrogant theocrat born in the wrong century & nation...
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 04:32 PM
Apr 25

Any American jurist in the 21st century sworn to uphold the US Constitution who cites both a medieval cleric and a 16th century British judge who sat on cases against witches (as Alito did in the Dobbs decision) does not belong on our SCOTUS, period.

Alito is not necessarily stupid — but he is dangerous.

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