... argue that it's Biden's fault because he "didn't do anything to protect abortion."

How does one deal with such catastrophic ignorance?

These super-idiots simply don't want or care to know how government works.

It's not as if they weren't ever taught in school. It's that they never learned what they were taught.

Of purity progressives who posited no difference between HRC and TSF, and especially those who voted TSF in the general to get revenge on Hillary for daring to get more voters in the primary than their hero sanders.

take ANY increment of advancement of policies and laws -- and by definition they're not supposed to harangue their party with "not enough!" complaints. They're simply supposed to press for more constructive progress.

And I'll be damned if they can call themselves progressive if they become single issue voters over one thing they don't like, and thereby dismiss all the other benefits their party won. Being progressive shouldn't be about any all-or-nothing standards.

Like Obama always said: "Better is good."

Bernie. I pointed out that Hillary won more primaries and more delegates. "I voted for Bernie" in 2016, I said. "All the people at Bernie's rallies, where were they? I showed up, why didn't they?" I gave him a big hug after the conversation. Didn't want him to think I was actually mad at him.

"Bernie would have won easily," said a progressive. "And so the loss of abortion rights is the Democratic party's fault."

nominee. She won fair and square. I could argue whether Bernie would have won but it doesn't matter. The fact is if you want to keep a Republic, you fall in line behind the nominee period...they can spare me the self-serving whining excuses They are responsible in the broad sense for every woman who dies due to lack of abortion care...every single woman. They did it. I guess they showed us.

Don't seem to want to let it go.

Princess Jill Stein. Those who stayed home are also just as guilty. They can make all the excuses they want. I have no interest...a million dead from Covid, Roe gone, LGBTQ threatened, books banned, babies ripped from their mother's arms at the border and put up for adoption, and in the end insurrection. And finally, thanks to these people we have right-wing courts poised to take more rights from us.

I turn it right back around on their ideology.

I almost hold the Stein Voters more responsible than the Trump voters. They had the power to save themselves - and they chose not to.

They refused to vote for Clinton in 16 and Gore in 2000, handing the Supreme Court to the republicans. They contributed to the loss of Roe far more than any democrat.

polls are engineered per agendas

...because of this type of ignorance. There's nothing "bullshit" about revealing the level of ignorance in our country about how government works.

How accurate are these numbers? Who knows?

But don't stick your head in the sand that we aren't losing votes and voters who would go our way if voters were smarter and paying more attention.

Voting the same way as they do on questions about the economy--- If a Democrat is in the White House, the economy is bad-- and if a Republican is in the White House, the economy is good-- regardless of actual conditions.

In this case, most of those voting that it's "the Democrats fault" are probably well aware that this is a lie, but that's what the Magat party does--- LIE, LIE, LIE!

"He's the head guy, he controls Abbott and the supreme court. He needs to put his foot down" etc etc. These were working class retired people. They weren't college educated.

It's those nasty Democrats' fault for not dealing with this in Congress

We apparently only have ourselves to blame, and you know what? We kind of do.

As far as many people are concerned, if something happens now, it's the fault of whomever is President now.

Because only stupid people don't get that 'codifying' Roe was no guarantee of a lock on retaining reproductive rights. The USSC can still gut a law enacted by Congress, you know, or even overturn it entirely.

Anyone who thinks otherwise wasn't paying attention in Civics class.

As a NH State Rep, 8 years ago, we tried to codify a woman's right to bodily autonomy into law.

We were told by the long-term Reps that a bill would cause all kinds of problems for Dems who were religious and having to defend the bill when they would run again would be very difficult. Like don't upset the applecart.
and then there is this

My State Rep tried again, this is where it went

They're simply evil.

There's a certain element who also believe that "with the stroke of a pen" Biden can do anything they want him to do.

Biden Administration Again Bypasses Congress for Weapons Sale to Israel

The move comes as Israel presses on with its offensive in Gaza despite increasing pressure from the United States to lower the conflict’s intensity.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/30/world/middleeast/biden-us-israel-weapons-sale.html

https://archive.li/2axdj

December 30, 2023

The Biden administration is bypassing Congress for the second time since the start of the war in Gaza for a weapons sale to Israel, a move that comes amid growing anger at the United States over its backing of Israel as the Gaza death toll rises and misery spreads. The State Department said Friday that it had approved a proposed $147.5 million sale of artillery munitions and related equipment to Israel, invoking an emergency provision that avoids a congressional review process generally required for arms sales to other nations. The department used the same provision this month to facilitate a government sale of about 13,000 rounds of tank ammunition to Israel.

That earlier instance was the first time the State Department had invoked the emergency provision for an arms shipment to the Middle East since May 2019, when Secretary of State Mike Pompeo approved weapons sales to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, a move that lawmakers and some career officials inside the State Department criticized. The State Department has also used the emergency provision at least two times since 2022 to rush arms to Ukraine for its defense against Russia’s invasion.

As casualties in the war against Hamas mount, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel has faced increasing pressure from the United States to lower the conflict’s intensity in Gaza, but he said last week that Israel would “deepen” the fighting in coming days. Criticism of the United States has been building as international calls for a cease-fire grow. The United Nations Security Council this month adopted a resolution that called for more aid to reach civilians in Gaza but, to gain support from Washington, stopped short of imposing a cease-fire.

The State Department’s move is certain to anger some Democratic lawmakers, who have criticized the Biden administration for unconditionally supporting a war in which Israel has killed a large number of Palestinian civilians, following terrorist attacks by Hamas. Senator Tim Kaine, Democrat of Virginia, asked on social media early Saturday why the administration would bypass congressional authority on weapons sales to any nation. Bypassing Congress equals “keeping the American public in the dark,” he said in a post on the platform X.

Link to tweet

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Roe ended while he was President.

Thinks Biden could have “tried harder” on student loans and this issue. Like POTUS can wave a magic wand and get their way 100% of the time.

It's disheartening.

But he’s still an idiot about some things.

Despite the setback dealt by the Supreme Court and despite currently being sued, he still managed to give a significant amount of people student debt relief.

My son (age 33) doesn’t understand that POTUS doesn’t have superpowers.

For not retiring sooner. Some Dems always find a way to blame ourselves for the other side’s pure evil.

trying to "both-sider" the issue.

It is a successful campaign.

'Still, 6 in 10 independents are unhappy that Roe was overturned — and nearly 4 in 10 Republicans are, too. While the poll found that only a third of independents say they would vote for a presidential or congressional candidate who agrees with their stance on abortion access, even if they disagreed with their stance on most other issues, those are margins that would make a difference in close races in battleground states.'

Here is another gem...how folks approve of a 15-week ban. Ask the governor of VA who lost the legislature with this proposal...this poll shows the GOP is in huge trouble and you have to massage the hell out of it to make it about Biden... I suggest everyone read the article and look at the polls...the crap spewed by politico does not match the polls... their analysis is complete bullshit. It is clear that this poll was designed to make it look like the Abortion issue would not harm GOP types...this is complete bullshit.

You should seriously amend this OP...it doesn't say what you say it does. First of all, this is the poll for IVF.


The first poll is about IVF...devastating for Republicans



The second poll is the opinion of abortion...please not in the poll itself, 19% blame Biden

The title of the OP needs to be changed.

And it was quite successful.

progressive in a perfect world...I would pass all of it. But if that is not happening then we get what we can.

... were put there purposefully by MAGA.

Dems have to play some hardball when it comes to pointing the finger at MAGA for Dobbs

They'll blame anything on Democrats if they can find the fake logic to do so.

There's a sucker born every minute.

...suspiciously low for the general population.
80-85% of people have opinions on this? That seems really high in a country where 65% voter turnout is considered very good.
Makes me see the whole poll as dubious.

That said, I don’t think it’s a very good poll question.

Republicans blame Democrats for everything. Why would you think that would change.