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Grins

(7,231 posts)
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 09:46 AM Apr 25

George Will wakes up to see his monster

20 April 2024
Washington Post

Some gems and dead-on accusations by George Will

Stoking the passion that is their excuse for pandering - the nihilism of a febrile minority in their party - a majority of House Republicans - voted last Saturday to endanger civilization. Hoping to enhance their political security in their mostly safe seats, and for the infantile satisfaction of populist naughtiness (insulting a mostly fictitious “establishment”), they voted to assure Vladimir Putin’s attempt to erase a European nation.

N.B:
A simple majority - 216 of all votes - was needed for passage.
On Ukraine: 311 - 112. All 112 were Republicans.

Voted to endanger civilization. Voted to enhance their political security. Voted to assure the erasure a European nation.

Will then goes on to add:

"Tuesday’s Senate ratification of Ukrainian aid proves that Dwight Eisenhower’s baton of Republican internationalism was passed, via Ronald Reagan, to Mitch McConnell."

Awwww. Give yourself some credit, George! You were there flogging the myth of the purity and sureness of Republican governing along the with the rest of the Reich-wing media, feeding the Reich's army of Armageddon-craving, gullible, imbeciles.

And Reagan. It all points back to Reagan. Nixon being dead. That must have hurt George, because in the 1980's he regularly burnish Reagan's balls to a high sheen.

The wind-up:

"We have defined heroism so far down that it encompasses Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) allowing a House vote on assisting Ukrainians’ resistance to indiscriminate bombardments of population centers, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture and the abduction of children."

And by "We", he means "Republicans." 112 Republicans VOTED to look the other way on bombardments, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, and the abduction of children.

Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/04/24/ignoble-house-republicans-against-ukraine-aid/
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George Will wakes up to see his monster (Original Post) Grins Apr 25 OP
I've always held George Will in low esteem, but he's a talented wordsmith nevertheless. Ocelot II Apr 25 #1
" J.D. Vance, an itinerant Neville Chamberlain visiting green rooms" Grins Apr 25 #12
Read this yesterday and Mme. Defarge Apr 25 #16
Right when our last living WW2 vets go to their reward ... Charging Triceratops Apr 25 #2
Will, like Buckley before him, fancies himself a conservative intellectual. Happy Hoosier Apr 25 #3
Yep. yardwork Apr 25 #5
His original claim to fame was stealing Pres. Carter's debate prep notes underpants Apr 25 #7
It was about cutting Social Security and Medicare dsc Apr 25 #9
Okay. Thanks. underpants Apr 25 #11
It seemed to me that Buckley couldn't even physically sit up straight. Uncle Joe Apr 25 #15
I remember when Bill Maher pwned him on This Week fizzix137 Apr 25 #17
But George Will is blameless. SarahD Apr 25 #4
George Will has been railing against Trump since day one. JohnnyRingo Apr 25 #6
Well I hope he's getting some repugnuts to vote Democrat. KS Toronado Apr 25 #14
What has happened to the Republican party is the natural consequence of their worldview. Caliman73 Apr 25 #19
👆👆 Well said. nt crickets Apr 25 #20
You missed a crucial step in the migration misanthrope Apr 26 #22
"A cabal of grotesques..." Kid Berwyn Apr 25 #8
Screw will. jaxexpat Friday #23
George Will is an old-school hawk Wednesdays Apr 25 #10
I have always (for fifty years) called him UpInArms Apr 25 #13
George's problem is the average Trumper is far too stupid and illiterate to understand his writing. sop Apr 25 #18
George is a bottom feeder, always was. jaxexpat Apr 26 #21

Ocelot II

(115,866 posts)
1. I've always held George Will in low esteem, but he's a talented wordsmith nevertheless.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 09:52 AM
Apr 25

And I can't argue with this:

In today’s Republican Party, dominated by someone who repudiates the internationalism to which Eisenhower committed the party seven decades ago, the cabal of grotesques might yet predominate.

It includes Missouri’s Sen. Josh Hawley, who thinks we have given “blank checks” to Ukraine (actually, 5 percent of defense spending, and less than half the monetary value of European support). Yet Hawley says we cannot defend both Ukraine and Taiwan, so this would be an excellent time to reduce the U.S. forces in Europe that are deterring Russia from aggressions against NATO allies. Another grotesque, Ohio’s Sen. J.D. Vance, an itinerant Neville Chamberlain visiting green rooms, would welcome Ukraine’s death on the installment plan (see Czechoslovakia in 1938-1939). Georgia’s Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (she who wonders whether Jewish space lasers cause forest fires) expresses her loathing of Ukraine with lunatic accusations that confirm the judgment of Texas’s Rep. Michael McCaul (Republican chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee) that Russian propaganda has “infected a good chunk of my party’s base.”
2. Right when our last living WW2 vets go to their reward ...
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 09:54 AM
Apr 25

... the GOPigs spit in these heroes' freedom-fighting faces.

Happy Hoosier

(7,393 posts)
3. Will, like Buckley before him, fancies himself a conservative intellectual.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 09:56 AM
Apr 25

he certainly embraced the Southern Strategy when it benefited him, thosugh he was always careful to maintain a sanitary distance from the culuture warriors (and blame The Left whenever possible).

The title of your post is completely accurate. He helped create this monster, and now he's shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that these Dogs of War he helped create are, in fact, eating the face of Democracy.

underpants

(182,884 posts)
7. His original claim to fame was stealing Pres. Carter's debate prep notes
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 10:18 AM
Apr 25

Last edited Thu Apr 25, 2024, 11:02 AM - Edit history (1)

They got ahold of it and knew every point Carter was going to make. The big moment came when Carter directly pointed to something (I forgot the point and it’s been swept away by “history “) to which Reagan couldn’t have a response to. They crafted Ronnie response as “Well, there you go again” in a demeaning “I’m the adult here” kind of way. The press must’ve been prepped for that response because they ate it up. It’s still lauded as a great debate moment.

Will, years later, tried to claim he didn’t do it because Mr. Fancy Conservative Intellectual now. Young Republican writers (York, Coulter, Goldberg, etc.) in the 90’s wrote almost required articles to re-write Will’s history. It was like each one’s assigned term paper.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
9. It was about cutting Social Security and Medicare
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 10:28 AM
Apr 25

and when Reagan ran for reelection in the first debate he tried it again and this time Mondale flattened him by reminding everyone of when he said it and that Carter had been dead right as to what he would do as Reagan had indeed cut both programs.

Uncle Joe

(58,425 posts)
15. It seemed to me that Buckley couldn't even physically sit up straight.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 12:34 PM
Apr 25

In every image that I can recall of him, he was always leaning to the right.

fizzix137

(21 posts)
17. I remember when Bill Maher pwned him on This Week
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 12:47 PM
Apr 25

Always a pompous ass spouting conservative lies each week on Brinkley's excellent show. I will never forget his ridiculous defense that the Republicans were not all racists. Bill Maher was the guest commentator and delivered the line that I still use to this day. "Not all Republicans are racists, but all racists are Republicans." Will looked like he had just eaten a bug.

SarahD

(1,240 posts)
4. But George Will is blameless.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 09:56 AM
Apr 25

According to the no true Scotsman rule, today's Republicans are not true Republicans because they are not motivated by the correct kind of conservative thought.

JohnnyRingo

(18,648 posts)
6. George Will has been railing against Trump since day one.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 10:12 AM
Apr 25

His op-eds are in my local paper, and he's not at all happy about what has happened to his party.
He's best described as a Reagan Republican.

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
19. What has happened to the Republican party is the natural consequence of their worldview.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 01:20 PM
Apr 25

What separates Reagan from Trump is personality and what was possible given the political and media climate of the time. Reagan was reportedly making deals with Iran during the election, though it has never been definitively proven. His administration sold Iran missiles, even though they were a "State Sponsor of Terrorism" and funneled money illegally to Right Wing death squads in Central America, trained, also illegally by the US. People went down for those crimes but Bill Barr and GHW Bush tidied up the mess and most of the actors got away with their illegal acts.

Conservatism holds that there is a "natural hierarchy" in society that should be upheld by law. It is an inherently unequal philosophy and if left to its own progression, will lead to authoritarianism. If you just give it a bit of thought, how can it not? Conservatism as a political ideology was born out of the defense of the concept of Monarchy. During the American and French Revolutions, aristocrats were trying to make the case, if not directly for hereditary monarchy and aristocracy, for the structures that supported it. Conservatism, though different in different countries, has never strayed from the belief that certain people are just naturally "better" than others and those better people deserved to make the rules and reap the rewards of society relative to their importance.

Reagan was a trained actor. He was good at making pitches and sounding folksy. He wasn't a particularly talented actor like say Sir Lawrence Olivier, or Cary Grant, etc... but he was a talented pitchman. Trump is simply a narcissistic failson, who had he not been born into wealth, would likely have ended up in prison, or dead for his penchant toward illicit activity. Make no mistake however, Nixon's actions lead to Reagan, which lead to W Bush, which led to Trump and the stated of Conservatism and the GOP today. Trump isn't an aberration, he is what happens to right wing ideology sooner or later. You see the same with Orban in Hungary, Le Penn in France, Meloni (the actual fascist) in Italy, and Putin in Russia. These are right wing leaders.

misanthrope

(7,428 posts)
22. You missed a crucial step in the migration
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 06:17 PM
Apr 26

I firmly believe that the selection of rabidly unhinged and low-brow Sarah Palin as the GOP's VP candidate in '08 was critical in leading voters to their comfort in voting for Trump 8 years later.

Kid Berwyn

(14,965 posts)
8. "A cabal of grotesques..."
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 10:25 AM
Apr 25

"...might yet predominate."

Fake journalist George Will hit the nail on the head re 112 GOP members who voted against military aid for Ukraine.

Wednesdays

(17,412 posts)
10. George Will is an old-school hawk
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 10:37 AM
Apr 25

Opposed to the expansion of the Russian Empire. Which means, he's a dying breed in the new GOP.

sop

(10,263 posts)
18. George's problem is the average Trumper is far too stupid and illiterate to understand his writing.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 12:55 PM
Apr 25
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