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IF SCOTUS declares Trump king, if we - as a nation - do not take to the streets in a general strike (Original Post) Coventina Apr 25 OP
I guess Americans are tired of living in a democracy. Irish_Dem Apr 25 #1
The Argentines succumbed to that very temptation last year, thinking they'd benefit... peppertree Apr 25 #10
The autocratic bloc (Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, Saudi) has been busy. Irish_Dem Apr 25 #11
True - although in this case, it's home-grown fascism peppertree Apr 25 #12
The GOP has clearly aligned with the global autocrats. Irish_Dem Apr 25 #13
Absolutely. peppertree Apr 25 #25
Yes no need to hide it any longer. Irish_Dem Apr 25 #27
Are bdamomma Apr 25 #21
Yes we know what will happen. Irish_Dem Apr 25 #23
No. Mike_in_LA Apr 25 #2
Don't worry. They won't do that till after the election. Autumn Apr 25 #3
They won't. Fiendish Thingy Apr 25 #4
Because their questions today show they cannot BlueKota Apr 25 #20
If they grant Trump blanket immunity, they are dead men walking Fiendish Thingy Apr 25 #22
I think they are counting on President Biden BlueKota Apr 25 #26
In Russia, Turbineguy Apr 25 #5
Nah. Almost everyone in the USA doesn't care. mucifer Apr 25 #6
Yea, Im pretty convinced that most Americans would go on living their lives as normal DetroitLegalBeagle Apr 25 #8
Internet????? bdamomma Apr 25 #24
Well, they'll still have access to FreeRepublic and Drudge Wednesdays Apr 26 #30
General strikes take time to plan. sillylittleworm Apr 25 #7
Are you oranizing in your own? Show us how it's done. marble falls Apr 25 #17
I have to believe that is SCOTUS declares johnnyfins Apr 25 #9
or the public's ZonkerHarris Apr 25 #15
We watched J6 on TV. Kaleva Apr 25 #14
Exactly. We didn't really do anything when roe was overturned and that says a lot ecstatic Apr 25 #16
"...What world am I living in!?!?!?" B.See Apr 25 #18
Taking to the streets NanaCat Apr 25 #19
A general strike won't save democracy, voting for Biden and up and down JohnSJ Apr 25 #28
I'm unclear what taking it to the streets or strikes do TheKentuckian Apr 25 #29

Irish_Dem

(47,428 posts)
1. I guess Americans are tired of living in a democracy.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 03:11 PM
Apr 25

They want to try a fascist dictator/king as ruler.

They will have a steep learning curve.

peppertree

(21,670 posts)
10. The Argentines succumbed to that very temptation last year, thinking they'd benefit...
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:56 PM
Apr 25

And now, amid 300% inflation and a deep depression, democracy doesn't sound so bad anymore.

Irish_Dem

(47,428 posts)
11. The autocratic bloc (Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, Saudi) has been busy.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 06:03 PM
Apr 25

Selling autocracy across the globe. Weakening democracies.
Which must happen for the autocrats to rise to superpower status.

peppertree

(21,670 posts)
12. True - although in this case, it's home-grown fascism
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:33 PM
Apr 25

Which, sadly, has a long and sordid history down there.

And the main reason they can't seem to leave it behind (and despite disastrous results)? Because their own elites - and their media mouthpieces - still support it!

Not unlike the radicalized rut our GOP has gotten into: because their big donors like it too.

Irish_Dem

(47,428 posts)
13. The GOP has clearly aligned with the global autocrats.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:50 PM
Apr 25

The US GOP/oligarchs are all too willing because they want what the autocrats have,
permanent power and access to all financial assets.

peppertree

(21,670 posts)
25. Absolutely.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 09:00 PM
Apr 25

And as you know, they no longer try to veil or couch it.

What's more - they've brainwashed their mouth-breathers into howling for autocracy, day in and day out.

"Cause it'll own the libs!"

Irish_Dem

(47,428 posts)
27. Yes no need to hide it any longer.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 09:04 PM
Apr 25

The MAGAs align with Russia too.
They like the idea of a dictatorship.

bdamomma

(63,922 posts)
21. Are
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:26 PM
Apr 25

we going to stop this madness??????? We all need to vote.

We won't have any rights or freedom or laws we see that now???? Do we want to be like Russia, or China....etc.? Just venting.

Irish_Dem

(47,428 posts)
23. Yes we know what will happen.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:30 PM
Apr 25

But it appears many do not.

That is why I said if Trump is in the WH again, there will be a steep leaning curve for many Americans.
They take so much for granted and it will be lost.

Yep we have to vote and then see what happens.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
3. Don't worry. They won't do that till after the election.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 03:33 PM
Apr 25

And the republicans will figure a way to to give the election to Trump and immediately after rule that a president has immunity.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,657 posts)
4. They won't.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 03:37 PM
Apr 25

I dont know why people think this court is going grant Trump blanket immunity rather than just help him delay his trial.

BlueKota

(1,785 posts)
20. Because their questions today show they cannot
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:21 PM
Apr 25

be trusted to stand for the law or the people, they stand for Trump and their rich donors.

Frankly I am tired of hearing "he won't," or "they won't." We were told, "he won't win in 2016." He won. We were told he was joking about wanting to become a dictator. Then came the fake elector scheme, and January 6. Then we heard the SC will uphold the DC Circuit Court and not even agree to hear the immunity case
Guess what they did.

It really is like Charlie Brown and the football. He keeps trusting Lucy not to pull it away right before he kicks it, and yet she does it every fucking time, yet Charlie keeps falling for it.

If we want to avoid the future white male supremacist government the Republicans are openly calling for Democrats have to quit being Charlie Brown and beat the Magats at their own game. I don't watch football but I have heard it said, there is a time when you have to quit playing defense and start playing offense. It may already be too late, but right now I feel like we're lambs being led to the slaughter and we have too many shepherds trusting the wolves to eat the lambs.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,657 posts)
22. If they grant Trump blanket immunity, they are dead men walking
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:28 PM
Apr 25

Because Biden could order Seal Team Six to slaughter all of them without consequence.

He could order the assassinations, pardon Seal Team Six, pardon himself, resign, and let President Harris appoint six new justices.

Thats why they aren’t going to grant Trump blanket immunity.

They’re going to fuck around and give Trump more options to delay his trial, but they aren’t going to give him immunity.

BlueKota

(1,785 posts)
26. I think they are counting on President Biden
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 09:01 PM
Apr 25

being too honorable to his oath to the Constitution to break it, and committed to his religion to do that.

I really wish, however, that one of the liberal justices would have asked them about whether based on the comments they were making does that mean President Biden should take that as their permission to do whatever he wants now with full immunity?

At the very least that might have put them on the spot, and their answers could have totally exposed them as the hypocritical asses they really are.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,926 posts)
8. Yea, Im pretty convinced that most Americans would go on living their lives as normal
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 04:25 PM
Apr 25

Regardless of what's going on government wise. As long as the power stays on, foods available, and the internet/tv shows keep on going on then everything is fine. If they aren't personally inconvenienced then they will just keep on as if nothing is happening.

bdamomma

(63,922 posts)
24. Internet?????
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:36 PM
Apr 25

that will be censored, with many other things. You think we will have access to sites like DU???? No way.



Wednesdays

(17,412 posts)
30. Well, they'll still have access to FreeRepublic and Drudge
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:01 AM
Apr 26

and Fox News on TV, so to them all is well.

sillylittleworm

(4 posts)
7. General strikes take time to plan.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 03:48 PM
Apr 25

Look at past ones. It's not as easy as calling for one. Are you organizing in your own community?

johnnyfins

(830 posts)
9. I have to believe that is SCOTUS declares
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:51 PM
Apr 25

TSF king, they know the USA is OVER. If they take that step, they have to realize that they, at some point will be in the king's crosshairs.

ecstatic

(32,731 posts)
16. Exactly. We didn't really do anything when roe was overturned and that says a lot
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:58 PM
Apr 25

At a certain point, we have to say no.

NanaCat

(1,251 posts)
19. Taking to the streets
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:06 PM
Apr 25

Does nothing to change anything. Hasn't for decades now.

We'll be in a very different place that will require new thinking, new tactics, and new strategy, and not the same old boring, failed antics of yesteryear.

But if you want martial law declared and to be mowed down in the streets, well, that can be the hill you die on. The rest of us will find more effective ways to get things done.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
29. I'm unclear what taking it to the streets or strikes do
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 09:33 PM
Apr 25

in this scenario.

I will say that just seriously having this conversation is a strong indicator that those against reforming the court are hopelessly hidebound, batshit crazy, or with the facsists.

We have to win elections and then be very aggressive in securing the Republic.

No more paddy cake.

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