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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFor the life of me, I don't understand how people don't see Trump
for what he is?
Reagan and Bush polished their folksy bullshit. And while I saw these lying asses for what they were, I understood how some voters fell for it.
But Trump is such an obvious, ignorant, arrogant, obnoxious fool, I just don't get how people don't see right through him.
bluesbassman
(19,379 posts)He does what they always wished they could do.
whopis01
(3,525 posts)He is what they want to be. He does what they wish they could do.
Yes, Yes, Yes...................Just look back to Reagan when he and the Republicans destroyed the Mental Health Providers/Systems across the entire land..........
Irish_Dem
(47,514 posts)He hates the same things they hate.
He promises revenge and retribution.
They like that.
Earth-shine
(4,044 posts)Getting a typical registered Republican to vote for a Democrat is a major challenge. Voting choices are generally based on feelings, not logic.
edhopper
(33,639 posts)my feeling is one of nausea.
Earth-shine
(4,044 posts)The thought of voting for a Democrat will make them feel queasier.
I do have one Republican friend who voted for Biden over Trump after she saw Trump in the first debate in 2019. She was so disgusted by him.
And now she's back to talking about voting for him again. We love this friend for many reasons, but her brainpower is not among them.
Her general sources of info are NPR and Newsmax. She thinks Chris Cuomo is handsome/cute and that's why she tunes in. So, do I, but his ego and bothsiderism gets in the way of me actually liking him.
Evolve Dammit
(16,781 posts)What kind of monster have I created? Drumph's mom
OMGWTF
(3,980 posts)bullimiami
(13,108 posts)It has worked on many of them.
LiberalFighter
(51,168 posts)Not everyone that voted for him in 2020 all feel the same way. There will be hard core supporters no matter what. And there will some that begin to see what he is.
It is like a union contract. There may be 50,000 members that are part of the union contract. Not all of them are going to be satisfied. Some will vote no the first time no matter what. Others will look at the contract and try to see if it is a good contract. Some will nit-pik voting no because they are only looking how it impacts them. Some will look at the contract and see if it is overall good for most and likely the best they can get. There may be other perspectives.
There are various groups within the membership. Assembly line workers. Skilled trades. And others. Some may be new and are not looking long term. Some might have family or don't have those obligations. Maybe there are education opportunities. Some may be nearing retirement and might consider it if the contract provides a good deal. They all have issues that may not be the same as others.
The same works for politics. And in the case of Trump. There are likely to be a lot that will not vote for the creep. So many events have transpired starting with the January 6 insurrection. And continuing with the court cases. The threshold will be low for many of those causing them to either not vote for Trump or voting for Biden.
soldierant
(6,938 posts)it really goes back to the Civil Rights Act and Lee Atwater. Prior to that it was more obvious that Republicans were a rich people's party with no care for the working class.
But when Democrats passed a law giving rights - and dognity - to people of color, many workinf class white people thought that that was so terrible that there was likely no evil thing Dempcrats wouldn't do. Seriously. Their whole lives, including their version of Christianity, stand on that one thing conviction that their ckinc color makes them superior.
Hence the lies about aborting after birth and pedophole rings in basements.
PatSeg
(47,649 posts)in demonizing Democrats and liberals. These people get a heavy duty dose of this sort of thing on a daily basis. They are thoroughly brainwashed, so when they vote it will be "Anyone but the Democrat".
Attilatheblond
(2,224 posts)and have had their brains messed up from the parasite. It can cause some pretty strange things and so far, we have no cure. Throw in decades of hate radio/tv and the paranoia those talking shit heads inspire and there is fertile ground for masses of people to behave like mindless drones following dangerous leaders who pander to their baser instincts.
The pathogen is one of the most common infectious parasites in the world and could lay dormant in up to half of the world's population, as well as almost any warm-blooded animal species. But there is still much we don't know about this extremely weird parasite.
[link:https://www.livescience.com/surprising-toxoplasma-gondii-facts|
A 2014 study published in journal PLOS One estimated that between 30% and 50% of the global population could be infected with or have been infected with T. gondii. But infection rates likely vary significantly in different parts of the world. For example, the CDC estimates that around 40 million Americans, or around 12% of the population, may have a T. gondii infection
More concern:
Two of the most noteworthy conditions to be linked to T. gondii are schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.
In 2006, a study published in the journal Biological Psychiatry first suggested that babies that contract T. gondii in the womb had higher rates of schizophrenia later in life than those who were not exposed prenatally. In 2014, a study published in The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease showed that people with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder were more likely to have T. gondii antibodies in their system, which are left behind from a previous infection.
T. gondii has also been linked to changes in human behaviour, some of which could be deadly. In 2015, a study published in the Journal of Psychiatric Research suggested that T. gondii infections could make people more aggressive and impulsive, potentially even increasing the likelihood suicide.
PatSeg
(47,649 posts)BrainDead that was on Amazon a few years ago! Or all the right-wing media and mindless reality TV has rendered them "brain dead".
Attilatheblond
(2,224 posts)PatSeg
(47,649 posts)But it only lasted one season. It was too close to reality I think.
Blue Owl
(50,529 posts)Just look how David Letterman treated him decades ago....
Shellback Squid
(8,931 posts)Traurigkeit
(293 posts)PatSeg
(47,649 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)They are apes.
Sky Jewels
(7,162 posts)People dont understand basic differences among primates, which are our cousins.
Under The Radar
(3,405 posts)Silent3
(15,296 posts)have no problem going along with the command Ignore the man behind the curtain, and willfully and/or stupidly stick with the illusion.
Blue Owl
(50,529 posts)Then Kristi Noem shot him
tblue37
(65,490 posts)FalloutShelter
(11,887 posts)To Democrats.
Raven123
(4,884 posts)Without which they wouldnt have the right to support him.
FalloutShelter
(11,887 posts)Ill never understand why its so important to flip us off while cutting off their noses and god knows what else.
Team identification.
My quarterback sucks, but hes my quarterback so FU
Dangerously deluded.
Tribetime
(4,712 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,781 posts)FalloutShelter
(11,887 posts)To Democrats.
TlalocW
(15,392 posts)Especially from congress people like Newt and "pundits/entertainers" like Rush, but Trump gave them the most permission to show off their hatred.
doc03
(35,389 posts)Trump is all talk, he is like Archie Bunker or Homer Simpson.
LiberalFighter
(51,168 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,781 posts)Island Blue
(5,819 posts)he wants to see and disregards the rest. Paul Simon - The Boxer
calimary
(81,527 posts)AND those same lyrics.
One of the single BEST lines EVER written OR sung.
GreenWave
(6,777 posts)They are beyond all hope. They have become Homo non sapiens.
Ocelot II
(115,898 posts)to those who liked that folksy style. Reagan was an actor, after all; and W cultivated that good ol' boy persona. I found both rather irritating, especially W, but neither of them was ever in-your-face offensive. They tried to look like nice guys, but Trump intentionally tries to avoid seeming like a nice guy (at least he isn't faking in that regard - he isn't and never was a nice guy). Instead, he's confrontational, insulting and oppositional because he's figured out that this is what his fan base likes that about him. They don't want a nice guy; they want a manifestation of their own nasty impulses. Even W apparently was creeped out by his inaugural address - "That was some weird shit," he said.
llmart
(15,557 posts)they like him because they are just like him.
Ocelot II
(115,898 posts)moose65
(3,169 posts)I, too, fail to see Trumps so-called appeal. But then again, hes not trying to appeal to me!
Usually, the MAGA-types would see him as a know-it-all New Yorker, if he were a Democrat. Theyd see him as an amoral charlatan, if he were a Democrat. They would hate him with white-hot passion, if he were a Democrat.
Theyve convinced themselves that hes on their side, and virtually nothing will change their minds. There are two sayings that apply to hardcore Trumpers:
1. It is far easier to fool someone than to convince them theyve been fooled, and
2. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Chakaconcarne
(2,466 posts)Another posted referenced this a little while back:
Attilatheblond
(2,224 posts)Minor flu-like symptoms, if any physical symptoms, but this little cootie can cause a wide range of neurological mayhem.
Emile
(23,023 posts)They think a strong man like Trump is what we need.
Why don't they just move to Venezuela and spare us who want a Democratic Republic?
Johonny
(20,910 posts)They know he makes libtards crazy and they hates themselves some libtards so he's great. They don't understand there is more to politics than just making the other team have the sads. Indeed, it's the least important thing.
Squaredeal
(401 posts)often likes the wool pulled over his eyes, and he makes it easy for the puller. P T Barnum
Vinca
(50,318 posts)Bucky
(54,087 posts)Until you learn to tap into your inner disdain for your fellow human beings, you will never truly understand The Donald's appeal. Heck, I bet you didn't even laugh when Trump mocked that reporter's physical disability.
no_hypocrisy
(46,234 posts)Steve Martin showed it in Leap of Faith.
The Unmitigated Gall
(3,836 posts)A poor mans idea of a rich man,
A stupid mans idea of a smart man,
A weak mans idea of a strong man.
All that, and he hates the people theyve been conditioned to hate, since Ronald Reagan told them welfare queens driving Cadillacs were stealing their taxes.
Doodley
(9,143 posts)onecaliberal
(32,923 posts)They are not even close to half the country.
returnee
(50 posts)Just look at all the assholes in politics and business long before TSF got there.
Its:
1) innate stupidity
2) poor education
3) alternative education, i.e., propaganda, corrupt MSM, toxic ideas passed down through
4) racism
5) mental illness (particularly sociopathy, paranoia, poor insight and judgment, particularly judgment of character)
6) religious indoctrination
7) family heritage (Daddy was a Republican racist so Im a Republican racist.
8) intolerance of ambiguity and subtlety.
just to name a few.
Some of this is just human nature. Its never been simple. Also note, this factors can exist across the political and geographic spectrums. There just simply in much greater proportion on the right.
Karadeniz
(22,587 posts)parade lack of education and intellectual curiosity, her view of real Americans. A huge chunk of America, being at her level, felt legitimized and didn't want to feel inferior any more. The floodgates were opened.
Wednesdays
(17,450 posts)and replaced them with fog horns.
paleotn
(17,989 posts)Getting their particular brand of bullshit back on top. Most of the rest are mean, angry assholes who hate brown people so they identify with him. He made it "cool" again to be a racist jackass in public.
maryellen99
(3,790 posts)They want a protector and they think Trump will protect them.
peacebuzzard
(5,183 posts)I can't understand it at all.
This foolish sf can't do this too much longer.
brooklynite
(94,789 posts)Someone who's NOT one and promises to do so is appealing.
Oopsie Daisy
(2,703 posts)* fake Christianity, and fake fidelity, and hidden pedophilia.... (What else am I forgetting?)
NanaCat
(1,301 posts)Fake Christianity does not exist. The Christianity they practice has been around since Ancient Rome, and especially since Calvinism.
The backhanded blame for their behaviour on people who don't belong to the religion also reeks of bigotry. I mean, really, if they're 'fake' Christians, then what religion are they? Jews? Muslims?
Are you sure you want to go there?
mwb970
(11,367 posts)This is extraordinary. Who doesn't have a LITTLE bit of good in them? trump, that's who. Pure evil. And these morons LOVE him.
Marigold
(31 posts)I have always been fascinated by people who become cult members. After watching innumerable documentaries on cults, from Jonestown, to those I have never heard of (and there are SO many), I always ask myself, how could they not see this leader was crazy? And when presented with evidence, they double down on defending obvious abhorrent behavior and doctrines. When asked to commit or believe moral transgressions or law, they willfully comply. These people cannot be reasoned with. I liken magats to these cult members. For the same people who would be ripe for any cult, like former cult member Ginnie Thomas, Trumpism is just a new iteration. There is no critical thinking in these people. They want someone to follow and to tell them what to do. It also feeds in to their fundamental feelings of entitlement, superiority, and grievance. It gives them a sense of belonging and purpose. And humans are capable of unbelievable inhumanity. I recommend watching The Zone of Interest which I believe is an accurate depiction of how normal people can become numb to evil and passively complicit.
PatSeg
(47,649 posts)My problem is that Trump has no real charisma or oratory skills. Jim Jones started out as a very charming, attractive, and persuasive leader. It is easy to see why many people were drawn to him.
I try so hard to imagine what Trump's followers see and hear, well other than the hate and dog whistles.
Marigold
(31 posts)I have to agree with you. Most cult leaders are charismatic and verbally gifted. I guess his charm is a particular type (sarcasm). You might be right that it is permission to give voice and action to his followers hate.
kimbutgar
(21,224 posts)I watched the apprentice for about 5 minutes and thought it was bull crap! I question the sanity and soul of any person who still supports him.
Like you I just dont get it! Hes despicable and gross!
PatSeg
(47,649 posts)I was amazed at how ridiculous he was. I knew he had a show and was fairly well known in New York, but I'd really never paid much attention to him.
Then I saw a mainstream journalist interview him. My reaction: "Who talks like that or looks like that? And what is with that long clown tie and funny little fish mouth? Why is this network giving him airtime?" At that moment, I could have never imagined him as the republican candidate for president, let alone the president of the United States. Little did I know.
LiberalFighter
(51,168 posts)If people like Trump and those supporting him didn't exist we probably have fewer criminals and laws.
Ray Bruns
(4,117 posts)PatSeg
(47,649 posts)He couldn't be any more obvious. You don't have to have a PhD to see what an incompetent clown he is. He is like a caricature of himself.
Every day he tells the world who and what he is, it is no secret. Yet they still support him. Says more about a large segment of our society than it does about Trump. If it hadn't been Trump, it probably would have been someone else eventually.
oldsoftie
(12,632 posts)They also LEFT OFFICE without trashing the place or killing anyone.
These idiots of today would insult both of them and call them "RINOs"
Woodwizard
(847 posts)And they like it, it is what a lot of them are without the veneer of civility.
Or you have the ones like my recently deceased brother in law who was just a bunch of racist homophobic bundle of alcoholic hate.
He became diabetic, kept drinking anyway and died of a heart attack after his blood sugar went too high last month. Nobody could tell him anything to make his life better
When trump came along it was like gas on a fire for him he put out trump crap in his yard after trump lost he put up a flag that said Fuck Joe Biden And you for voting for him.
My wife and I helped clean out his house he took a very negative and hate filled path in life, a waste of a lifetime. He was 67.
He had a lot of issues, I think a lot of his supporters do.
edhopper
(33,639 posts)if I am sorry for your loss or not.
Woodwizard
(847 posts)My wife's sister was a raging alcoholic and died 11 years ago from alcohol abuse and smoking 3 packs a day.
They were an incredibly dysfunctional drama filled couple.
Emile
(23,023 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,480 posts)zanana1
(6,135 posts)GiqueCee
(643 posts)... Republicans that hold elected office have publicly stated that they will support and vote for the South End of a Northbound Yak no matter how many felonies he's convicted of, tells you all you need to know about conservative character, namely, that there is none. They have NO honor, NO integrity, and NO intelligence.
Chautauquas
(4,453 posts)who hates the same people they hate, especially if they think that leader will do harm to the people they hate. I saw a comment on another site a few days ago - "Trump totally owned the Demorats!"
Another reason some people like Trump is that Fox News tells them to. My mother-in-law recent;y said "I don't know why they're always picking on Trump." There is just no way to get through to her and others like her, but I try.
dchill
(38,559 posts)... it's very SAD.
peggysue2
(10,844 posts)It's why they support him.
The fear, the anger, the resistance to demographic change are all part and parcel of the victimization quotient that MAGA clings to willingly. We need to face the fact that there is a wide swath of our own citizenry that openly welcomes the 'strongman' persona bc they know Trump will hurt the people they resent, will make them pay for whatever misfortune or unhappiness they've experienced. Republicans have decided to ride the tiger; as a minority party it's the only thing they've got and winning is everything.
This has less to do with economic insecurity and/or being left behind or any of those 'diner' conversations the press so eagerly ate up.
This is just plain old bigotry and hate from those who are convinced that 'others' are getting what they deserve as 'real' Americans. Wrap it up in patriotism and a distorted sense of Christianity, perfectly gift-wrapped. Then MAGAS get to feel righteous in their hate, ignorance and deluded perspective.
It's why the movement must be crushed. Before the madness destroys us all.
JI7
(89,279 posts)claudette
(3,606 posts)Because magats are also ignorant arrogant obnoxious fools.
Funtatlaguy
(10,890 posts)Baltimike
(4,148 posts)the meaner, the better.
DFW
(54,448 posts)Many of his supporters see him for what he truly is, and they see nothing wrong with that.
These people walk among us. Be very worried.
Botany
(70,613 posts)Also they know he is a no good shit and they dont want to admit they were wrong
about him. Many also enjoy his crudity too.
Wild blueberry
(6,670 posts)Loser J Stench took the veil off so they can flaunt it. And their stupidity.
shrike3
(3,816 posts)I had people tell me that as long as he makes liberals cry, it's fine with them. They deny later they ever said that.
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Kennah
(14,337 posts)There are those who see Trump as a fascist and will vote and work AGAINST him.
There are those who see Trump as a fascist and will vote and work FOR him.
Then there is a small minority who doesn't see Trump for what he is.