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Beastly Boy

(9,575 posts) Sun Apr 28, 2024, 11:44 AM Apr 28

College protesters seek amnesty to keep arrests and suspensions from trailing them

Maryam Alwan figured the worst was over after New York City police in riot gear arrested her and other protesters on the Columbia University campus, loaded them onto buses and held them in custody for hours.

But the next evening, the college junior received an email from the university. Alwan and other students were being suspended after their arrests at the “ Gaza Solidarity Encampment,” a tactic colleges across the country have deployed to calm growing campus protests against the Israel-Hamas war.

The students' plight has become a central part of protests, with students and a growing number of faculty demanding their amnesty. At issue is whether universities and law enforcement will clear the charges and withhold other consequences, or whether the suspensions and legal records will follow students into their adult lives.

Terms of the suspensions vary from campus to campus. At Columbia and its affiliated Barnard College for women, Alwan and dozens more were arrested April 18 and promptly barred from campus and classes, unable to attend in-person or virtually, and banned from dining halls.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/college-protesters-seek-amnesty-keep-040935299.html

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College protesters seek amnesty to keep arrests and suspensions from trailing them (Original Post) Beastly Boy Apr 28 OP

Sure question everything Apr 28 #1

There are consequences associated with actions, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 28 #2

Tell Bibi and his malaise Apr 28 #12

That's not what this thread is about, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 28 #18

And Hamas? You seem to have left them out NT Happy Hoosier Apr 28 #19

so they want zero consequences for their actions? rollin74 Apr 28 #3

Well most of them are children of wealth and privilege. comradebillyboy Apr 28 #4

I have mixed feelings about this. yardwork Apr 28 #5

They will have a trial to sort it out. Let it conclude as necessary. jimfields33 Apr 28 #14

As it turns out, when you push the world sometimes pushes back. Jedi Guy Apr 28 #6

Higher education isn't always a function of being in a classroom. cloudbase Apr 28 #13

If you aren't willing to face the consequences, don't go. KentuckyWoman Apr 28 #7

They are worried it will hurt the employment chances ripcord Apr 28 #10

Let's hope it does. Consequences of bad actions are a life lesson. jimfields33 Apr 28 #15

Who knew suspension was a legitimate punishment for violating the college rules and the code of conduct they agreed to? ripcord Apr 28 #8

Gee whiz! You mean being arrested actually means something? stopdiggin Apr 28 #9

Once again - stunned by the amount of people come away with the idea stopdiggin Apr 28 #11

No, one is responsible for ones actions good or bad. republianmushroom Apr 28 #16

Why Rebl2 Apr 28 #17

Cal Poly Humboldt campus *closes* through the end of the semester Cha Apr 28 #20

This is a new twist and an escalaion. Consider making this a separate thread. Beastly Boy Apr 28 #21

Thanks.. but I got it from another OP..... Cha Apr 28 #22

Kicked it for visibility. Mahalo! Beastly Boy Apr 28 #23

You are so Welcome.. TY! Cha Apr 28 #24

Kick Cha Apr 28 #25

Seems a little early for amnesty. In fact it's laughable. I do support most protests, even when I don't agree. Silent Type Apr 28 #26

question everything

(47,591 posts)

1. Sure

Reply to Beastly Boy (Original post)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 11:46 AM

Apr 28

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,533 posts)

2. There are consequences associated with actions,

Reply to Beastly Boy (Original post)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 11:51 AM

Apr 28

as I'm sure they're now finding out.
Whether or not is if it's the right consequences remains to be seen.

malaise

(269,292 posts)

12. Tell Bibi and his

Reply to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 12:42 PM

Apr 28

IDF

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,533 posts)

18. That's not what this thread is about,

Reply to malaise (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 02:42 PM

Apr 28

Last edited Sun Apr 28, 2024, 07:19 PM - Edit history (1)

you're trying to distract from what the thread is about, I would suggest that you start your own thread about Bibi and the IDF.

Just a suggestion.

Happy Hoosier

(7,480 posts)

19. And Hamas? You seem to have left them out NT

Reply to malaise (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 02:45 PM

Apr 28

Surely, an oversight.

rollin74

(1,995 posts)

3. so they want zero consequences for their actions?

Reply to Beastly Boy (Original post)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 11:59 AM

Apr 28

comradebillyboy

(10,189 posts)

4. Well most of them are children of wealth and privilege.

Reply to rollin74 (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 12:07 PM

Apr 28

Consequences are for other people, not them.

yardwork

(61,785 posts)

5. I have mixed feelings about this.

Reply to Beastly Boy (Original post)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 12:14 PM

Apr 28

In general, I don't think that non-violent protesters should be arrested. On the other hand, in the history of this nation, protests have often been accompanied by arrests, and the people participating in protests accepted that as a cost of civil disobedience. Martin Luther King's letter from Birmingham jail exists because he was in Birmingham jail, and he wasn't whining about it.

But still. Arresting students for participating in sit-ins and rallies seems silly and overly punitive.

And then, what about violent acts and genuine hate speech? The student suspended from Columbia seemed surprised to learn that the private university where they're enrolled would dare to suspend them for.... checks notes... going on social media to encourage people to murder anybody who supports Israel. I thought Columbia was for smart people?

jimfields33

(16,123 posts)

14. They will have a trial to sort it out. Let it conclude as necessary.

Reply to yardwork (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 01:02 PM

Apr 28

Some need to be followed for hate crimes against Jewish people with their statements. It’s unnecessary and immature

Jedi Guy

(3,289 posts)

6. As it turns out, when you push the world sometimes pushes back.

Reply to Beastly Boy (Original post)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 12:24 PM

Apr 28

If these youngsters are just now learning that every action has a corresponding consequence, well... better late than never, I suppose.

cloudbase

(5,531 posts)

13. Higher education isn't always a function of being in a classroom.

Reply to Jedi Guy (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 12:59 PM

Apr 28

Who could've known?

KentuckyWoman

(6,700 posts)

7. If you aren't willing to face the consequences, don't go.

Reply to Beastly Boy (Original post)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 12:24 PM

Apr 28

I can still see the scar on my head from 1964. Someone else that was with us lost sight in an eye. If the consequences for these students is missing a few classes, that is a big step up in how we treat people. I am glad for that.

As for following into adult lives. I think being known as someone who stood up for the right thing is a plus. If you are not comfortable that future employers etc know what you stand for, might need to think about what you stand for....

ripcord

(5,553 posts)

10. They are worried it will hurt the employment chances

Reply to KentuckyWoman (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 12:33 PM

Apr 28

jimfields33

(16,123 posts)

15. Let's hope it does. Consequences of bad actions are a life lesson.

Reply to ripcord (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 01:03 PM

Apr 28

ripcord

(5,553 posts)

8. Who knew suspension was a legitimate punishment for violating the college rules and the code of conduct they agreed to?

Reply to Beastly Boy (Original post)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 12:31 PM

Apr 28

For some reason there are many who think college students should be shielded from their actions while many times their number of people the same age are dealing with the consequences of their actions because they have jobs and many are out on their own.

stopdiggin

(11,412 posts)

9. Gee whiz! You mean being arrested actually means something?

Reply to Beastly Boy (Original post)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 12:32 PM

Apr 28

But I read all the TikTok and Insta ...

(No - you did not get arrested for 'peaceful protest'. You got arrested - after multiple warnings - for engaging in a variety of illegal activity. Meanwhile, your right to peaceful protest remains 100% intact.)

stopdiggin

(11,412 posts)

11. Once again - stunned by the amount of people come away with the idea

Reply to Beastly Boy (Original post)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 12:41 PM

Apr 28

that 'PROTEST' - means "free pass"
(never worked that way for this kid)

republianmushroom

(13,857 posts)

16. No, one is responsible for ones actions good or bad.

Reply to Beastly Boy (Original post)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 01:05 PM

Apr 28

Don't like the trailing maybe you shouldn't be protesting so much.

Rebl2

(13,594 posts)

17. Why

Reply to Beastly Boy (Original post)

Sun Apr 28, 2024, 01:14 PM

Apr 28

do they want that. If you truly believe in what you are protesting, you would not ask for amnesty. There are consequences to your actions. Live with it if you truly believe in what you are protesting.