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Maryam Alwan figured the worst was over after New York City police in riot gear arrested her and other protesters on the Columbia University campus, loaded them onto buses and held them in custody for hours.
But the next evening, the college junior received an email from the university. Alwan and other students were being suspended after their arrests at the Gaza Solidarity Encampment, a tactic colleges across the country have deployed to calm growing campus protests against the Israel-Hamas war.
The students plight has become a central part of protests, with students and a growing number of faculty demanding their amnesty. At issue is whether universities and law enforcement will clear the charges and withhold other consequences, or whether the suspensions and legal records will follow students into their adult lives.
Terms of the suspensions vary from campus to campus. At Columbia and its affiliated Barnard College for women, Alwan and dozens more were arrested April 18 and promptly barred from campus and classes, unable to attend in-person or virtually, and banned from dining halls.
https://apnews.com/article/student-protest-gaza-war-arrest-amnesty-ae235703d6a9b99114078fca13a530a0
I'd say it depends on what the suspended person did. Threats of physical violence, especially when things are heated, should never be tolerated. Kind of like the idiot below.
Columbia University Enforces Campus Ban on Student After Antisemitic Outburst
Columbia University has enforced a ban on Khymani James, a prominent student protest leader, after a video of James making inflammatory and antisemitic statements resurfaced online. Amid heightened tensions and protests on university campuses nationwide concerning the Israel-Hamas conflict, the move by Columbia has become a focal point of discussions on freedom of speech and student safety.
James, associated with the student group Columbia University Apartheid Divest (CUAD), was captured in a video stating, Zionists dont deserve to live, and comparing Zionists to Nazis and racists. The video, verified by NBC News, has prompted considerable backlash from the university community and beyond.
A statement from a Columbia University spokesperson clarified that chants, signs, taunts, and social media posts threatening Jewish people are unacceptable, emphasizing that students will be held accountable for such incidents. The universitys decision to ban James from campus underscores the stance that while peaceful protest is a protected right, calls for violence and discriminatory harassment cannot be tolerated.
The ban comes as student protests, calling for universities to divest from companies doing business with Israel, escalate. The universitys condemnation of the remarks was echoed by the White House. Andrew Bates, White House deputy press secretary, conveyed President Bidens stance that violent rhetoric, hate speech, and Antisemitic remarks have no place in America whatsoever. Bates branded the statements by James as dangerous and appalling, emphasizing the need for such rhetoric to serve as a wakeup call.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/columbia-university-enforces-campus-ban-on-student-after-antisemitic-outburst/ar-AA1nOEzb
Cha
(298,037 posts)Demsrule86
(68,800 posts)Many are likely to be expelled from current schools as well. And for what? We don't control Israel...one school that is currently closed because of this is already is picky with investments and they don't support Israel. During the 70s and before some got arrested. Hell, I did twice. Once Dad came and got me. And the other time Mom came and got me. I was not charged. But times are different now and I didn't assault anyone or engage in hate speech. Also, they didn't keep records like they do now. This will follow some of the protestors their entire lives-damn shame. By the way, I did burn my sister's bra in New York in the 80's. I was always big-chested so I had to wear one and couldn't sacrifice mine.
Cha
(298,037 posts)Link to tweet
They Don't Know How to Protest.. Always Attacking the Wrong People and Businesses.
Link to tweet
I read somewhere that Cal Poly Humbolt had Nothing to do with Israel.. have you seen that?
Thank You!
Demsrule86
(68,800 posts)These students don't deserve amnesty.
Happy Hoosier
(7,479 posts)I think offering a chance to rethink the situation is called for. Those that didn't accept it have forfeited any further consideration. And tossed away an Ivy League degree.
republianmushroom
(13,857 posts)Happy Hoosier
(7,479 posts)Any protestor that engages in or supports violence should be shown the door. It's a FAFO moment.
Same with hate speech that is at the level of calling for or otherwise justifying violence like saying "Zionists don't deserve to live." People can do say things they later regret, but some bells can't be unrung.
I'll go further and say anyone here on a temporary visa should have that visa revoked. Citizens and Permanent Residents get a bit more leeway, but even permanent residents have some restrictions on what they can advocate.
But if a student is simply engaging in civil disobedience, then I think some forbearance is called for, so long as that forbearance is not repeatedly abused. So camping and not clearing out when ordered to is not a "explision" event to me... Harrassing fellow students IS. And that goes both ways.
Beastly Boy
(9,574 posts)It is a contractually agreed upon condition for them to remain Columbia students in good standing.
Happy Hoosier
(7,479 posts)Those that declined to accept it should now be subject to disciplinary action, including suspensions and expulsion.
ripcord
(5,553 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,574 posts)Amnesty does not preclude facing consequences of an offense, it is usually conditional on facing the consequences. For example, amnesty for the students may include a change in their record noting a previously recorded reprimand has been removed, usually conditional on students paying the price for their objectionable conduct. It does not, in itself, automatically restore their standing on campus to what it was prior to them committing an offense. Likewise, amnesty will not protect them from scrutiny in seeking future employment.
I hope they will take some time to understand what they want and what they can get away with. Probably a more difficult challenge than getting a passing grade in Conceptual Foundations of International Politics.
The Mouth
(3,171 posts)All of these Hamas supporters believe this, it's just that this dolt said the quiet part out loud.
LiberalFighter
(51,345 posts)But they lose their chance of a degree.
A job not requiring a degree would be their option.
The Mouth
(3,171 posts)obamanut2012
(26,183 posts)It is 100% not true. Not in the least.
They are also not "loons."
The anti protestor bent of DU recently is something else.
BannonsLiver
(16,545 posts)And our democracy preserved while these performative cosplay demonstrators care more about Gaza, and are actively working to see that he is not re elected over a single issue that for the majority of the demonstrators has zero impact on their lives.
LiberalFighter
(51,345 posts)The colleges could probably nullify the classes they took for that semester. And if allowed back as a student it would take a semester longer to graduate.
Require them to pay for some of the damages they created.
Put them on probation.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,894 posts)No amnesty for these idiots
Swede
(33,310 posts)No to any amnesty.
EllieBC
(3,052 posts)as children is still demanding a no consequence life as adults. Shocking.
Lancero
(3,018 posts)That's a lesson that a lot of people could do with learning, given how many protestors have been trying to justify their actions with "But my freedoms!" in recent years.
Their are plenty of alternatives for protest, besides walking the line - and in recent days, jumping over it entirely - on violence. Given the amount of people who support their stated goals, a general strike is not beyond reason.
Blue Idaho
(5,068 posts)Has a Student Code of Conduct. Violation of this code can and usually does lead to permanant expulsion. Now guess how hard it is to gain enter to another college? Virtually impossible.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,894 posts)Jedi Guy
(3,288 posts)The cluelessness, the arrogance, the entitlement is just breathtaking. They took over a university building, damaging it in the process, and held university employees hostage, however briefly, and are in effect holding the campus itself hostage... and they think the university is in some way obligated to just allow them to bring in supplies to extend the duration of their stupidity indefinitely.
Hard pass. Interdict food going into the building, allow them water. Hunger strikes are a time-honored tradition of protests, after all. When they've had enough, they can come out, get arrested, and have a sandwich when they get to jail. It's not going to keep me up at night if they have rumbly tummies.
tblue37
(65,539 posts)jimfields33
(16,120 posts)If the university delivers food to them, this country is in big trouble.