Like someone at MSNBC did in Wisconsin with black young men at a barbershop.

By Trump, I wonder if he'll regret his vote?

But I don't think that DHS under Smelvis will care.

So is Darrell Issa and the Sununu family.

Alina's parents are from Iraq.


Issa and Sununus have been here for several generations.

when Trump issued his Muslim ban, stranding several Muslim immigrants at airports, a Democratic Jewish Senator, Chuck Schumer, rushed to the airport to assist the stranded people with legal help and finding accommodations.

If they think that Trump would be better than Biden, they are fooling themselves. As my late mother would say, "They are cutting off their noses to spite their faces."

Nothing like cutting off your nose to spite your face...or putting someone in the White House who will get laws passed to deport you back to whatever "shit hole" country he thinks you belong in!

I find it funny, that Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe that God will never abandon them even if the world betrays them!

And yet they fight amongst themselves, believing that God is backing them against the other two...

It's what we do.

I’m really suspicious that Jared Kushner already has a plan with Bibi to develop luxury condos and golf courses along Gaza’s waterfront. Why else would Kushner insert himself into this discussion by tweeting about Gaza’s valuable waterfront property that can be developed “once the civilians are cleared out.” Those civilians are the Palestinians being murdered by the IDF and Trump would not lift a finder to help even one Palestinian.

The rationalization is getting deep...

List a range of options for an outcome. Pick the option that will give you the worst results.

over the side of the Achille Lauro

You do not even get how what you wrote is bigoted. Replace "Palestinians" with "Jews," "Blacks," "Women," etc. This is no different.

The Arabs were mad at Shimon Peres because of an Israeli bomb that killed civilians in Lebanon. They wanted to "teach Peres a lesson". It didn't teach Peres anything. It gave everyone Netanyahu in 1996. He's been there since and things have only gotten worse.

I was thinking of a group of people who are in the here and now with a 60 year history of making bad choices.

What you are say about the Palestinians is still sounding racist. You
may not realize that, but Palestinians are many different
people with different life experiences. To say that are all making
poor decisions really sounds like prejudice and blaming the victim.

You would never say that about Black People or LGBTQ People.
It is just as off-putting to say that about all Palestinians. It might help
to study the challenges and stresses Palestinians have faced everyday for over 50
years and how limited their choices have been.

If you ignore the demands of a key voting bloc in a key area in an election, that's not going to be good for you. This is the basis of democracy.

You of course get to try to convince people that the other candidate's policies will be far, far worse. It's a tough case to make when people's relatives are dying by the score.

response.

Jared Kushner I am sure is ready to jump right in to help them out if trump regains the WH.



"Islam is the third largest religion in the United States (1%), behind Christianity (63%) and Judaism (2%), and equaling the shares of Buddhism and Hinduism. A 2017 study estimated that 1.1% (or 3.45 million Americans) of the population of the United States are Muslim."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States#:~:text=Islam%20is%20the%20third%20largest,the%20United%20States%20are%20Muslim.

They're dumb and don't know how to plan, and there's not enough of them anyway.

It's a prefectly reasonable calculation. We'll see if it works.

U.S. Jews or Muslims will determine the election, but the U.S. Christians, and agnostics:


"According to the new set of data, 28% of Americans classify themselves as "nones," 17% of whom identify as atheist, 20% as agnostic and 63% as "nothing in particular." Most "nones" said they were raised to be religious, and the majority were raised in Christian households."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/religious-nones-more-than-1-in-4-u-s-adults-pew-research-center-report/

Many policy positions are emotionally guided. Like, having your relatives blown up indiscriminately is emotionally taxing, after all.

In any case, if they'll have no effect, then there's nothing to worry about, and the Democrats will have made a smart choice to essentially scuttle this demographic in this location rather than seeking to work with them.

But it sounds like this group in particular has already made its mind and there'd be little we dan do to win them back. Short of waving a magic wand, nothing the Biden administration would be good enough.

It's a complicated situation.

They are clearly feeling abandoned and they are they ones
who have far more impact than the average voter in the election
results due to their concentration in the Detroit area.

They have lost trust. Once lost, trust is hard to get back.
Hopefully, a permanent ceasefire will start to rebuild that trust.
If it happens, Biden will be mostly responsible and therefore save his
presidency.

won two specials.

in a state that was very close in the last two PE and will again be pivotable.
I hope we can hold the state without the Arab vote, but if we, do it will
be much harder, especially if they actually vote for Trump. It is dicy at best.

And you sell Biden short; he is working night and day to get a cease-fire.
He does have significant influence with Israel and with the Arab States who have
influence with Hamas. I think we are the closest we have been to a
cease-fire. And that will help with the Arab support.

Enough to give the state's electoral votes to Trump?

Tell the OP, who seems worried.

Maybe there will be a silly Trump sheikh meme....

Just like "Emperor God Trump", Trump will push a stupid sheikh meme.

Trust me, Trump will pander to them...

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Being mad at Biden, I get why they feel that way

Thinking drumpf will make it better for them, this I cannot comprehend. I don’t know where they get that from. Drumpf will literally deport them.

Trump will empower Israel more.

They're saying if Trump empowers Israel, they will get Dems to push back for them.

and ask them how that worked out for them. He is on the record, repeatedly, saying that birthright citizenship shouldn't be a thing and won't be if he has anything to say about it. I, for one, won't lift a GD finger to help them if they help vote him in.

I won't help them either.
Biden is working for peace and threading a difficult needle.

Maybe they figure "Trump will burn it all down and it will spurn the rest of the world to take arms against Israel" (Who knows)

That document won't be worth the paper it's written in if that asspickle gets back in office.

You think Trump will give two shits about the Constitution?

Not the mighty Constitution!!!! Oh for sure, that'll stop them.

given he's said he'd be dictator on day one?


He'll just couch the deportation as an official act. The Supreme Court has made it clear they're going to make it easier for tRump to commit crimes while in office.

Immigrants with US citizenship papers can use them to wipe their asses as they're being held in deportation camps, because that's all they'll be good for.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/12/11/donald-trump-dictator-one-day-reelected/71880010007/

let them handle the consequences themselves. The rest of us will be too busy handling the effect on our lives to come to their aid.

Biggest genocide in modern history?

800,000 civilians died in the Rwanda genocide in the 90's

Ask survivors…30,000 was 3 days work. But yeah…go ahead and vote for Trump because you’re in a snit that Biden isn’t jumping to attention on your private personal issue. I’m sure Trump will see it your way.

Just infuriating.

Don't get me wrong. I think Israel is fucking this up in spectacular ways, but.....

...I understood how the primary was safely used to send a clear message about their concerns, but there isn't any way they could actually think trump would be a better choice for their cause.

Creates anger, creates more anger...lather, rinse, repeat.

...to try to hurt Biden in revenge, rather than a well thought out response to the choice between Biden or trump.

is truly delusional

A million dead Covid victims wasn't enough for you last time?

I've been reading some highly emotional posts from some American Arabs on another board I follow for months now (it's not a political messageboard site, but they have an off topic section where politics is allowed). Even when someone might point out they could be deported in a Trump administration, they don't care because they say they'll just go to Canada or something instead.

You can deport naturalized citizens, but only under grave circumstances.

With Project 2025, Trump may attempt it though.

You gotta be really bad and not just a PITA complainer. Plus if he wins because of them, his stance might change.

I was told repeatedly the judiciary would hold. So far, it's not.

Trump is a friend of Netanyahu''s, so I doubt his stance would change that much.

count as deportation?

And are you seriously suggesting that Trump, if reinstalled in power, will feel obligated to obey the letter of the law and respect the Constitutional rights of his perceived enemies? The same Trump whose attorneys are now arguing before the Supreme Court that a president ordering the assassination of a political rival is committing, not a crime, but "an official act?"

Also, who gets to decide what are "grave circumstances?"

“When a terrorist or sex offender becomes a U.S. citizen under false pretenses, it is an affront to our system—and it is especially offensive to those who fall victim to these criminals,” said Assistant Attorney General Jody Hunt. “The Denaturalization Section will further the Department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct.”

Denaturalization cases require the government to show that a defendant’s naturalization was “illegally procured” or “procured by concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation . . . .” 8 U.S.C. § 1451. Civil denaturalization cases have no statute of limitations, and the Department has successfully denaturalized numerous categories of individuals who have illegally obtained citizenship, including terrorists and other national security threats, war criminals, human rights violators, sex offenders, and other fraudsters.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-creates-section-dedicated-denaturalization-cases

There'd be none of those in his second.

he won't do it in his second? The same man who publicly proclaimed he will be a "dictator" for the first day? With a Supreme Court now so much more in his corner?

I wish I had your faith in the man's, ahem, respect for the law and the Constitution, but I just don't see it.

Besides which, there might be other adverse consequences for perceived enemies than deportation. Tens of thousands of Japanese Americans--most of them citizens--were essentially "deported" from their homes to camps in some of the most inhospitable parts of the country.

But then, someone seriously suggesting, as the man quoted in the article does, that what's happening in Gaza is "the worst genocide" in modern history probably isn't familiar with that history either.

And I ask again: who gets to decide what constitutes a "grave" circumstance?

“When a terrorist or sex offender becomes a U.S. citizen under false pretenses, it is an affront to our system—and it is especially offensive to those who fall victim to these criminals,” said Assistant Attorney General Jody Hunt. “The Denaturalization Section will further the Department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct.”

Denaturalization cases require the government to show that a defendant’s naturalization was “illegally procured” or “procured by concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation . . . .” 8 U.S.C. § 1451. Civil denaturalization cases have no statute of limitations, and the Department has successfully denaturalized numerous categories of individuals who have illegally obtained citizenship, including terrorists and other national security threats, war criminals, human rights violators, sex offenders, and other fraudsters.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-creates-section-dedicated-denaturalization-cases

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1451

My point is that the people who argue "it can't get any worse than Joe Biden" are sadly and dangerously deluded.

And that anyone who thinks a second Trump administration will be bound by DOJ guidelines or Constitutional guarantees and precedent is also very much fooling themselves.

It reminds me of all the times I heard that Roe v. Wade "would never be overturned" so not voting for Hillary was justified to "send a message."

What some of us see as impossible is precisely what many others among us in this nation are striving to achieve.

However, ME politics is like that. There is also a very libertarian streak in ME politics, because people don't trust or rely on the government. Participation in the civil process is quite limited. So, to them, it isn't as big of deal as it is to us. My great grandmother refused to call the Turkish police when her daughter was murdered. Grudges, feuds, families and clans are course of the day and are considered more powerful than justice and civics.

Right now there's another cease fire proposal on the table, backed by the US. From what I hear it's now up to Hamas to agree or not.

It all depends on the release of the hostages, which should have happened months ago. It seems to me that is the first step in any meanigful path to a solution to all this horror.

He's not even that shy about saying it, just coached as a "joke".

If he gets back in the White House, and he has the majority of the USSC backing him, the US Constitution doesn't mean jack shit anymore.

Dictators don't give a fuck about rules and laws.

And do they understand how difficult immigrating to Canada can be?

Spoke to a cluster of (like minded) people.

Seek and ye shall find.

I am not saying the Arab population of Michigan are all pleased with Biden and will be voting for Biden, but to take what you overhear during one prayer service in one mosque from a group near you, and extrapolate that to the entire Muslim population of a State is pretty irresponsible.

Lack of time, deadlines, laziness. Need to fit a narrative: Michigan Arabs hate Biden.

Trump would be fine with Netanyahu taking over Gaza and the West Bank. The Palestinians should make peace and declare a state while they have anything left. Discounting the 2 million Arab Israelis, the Palestinian habitat has been steadily shrinking since 1948; only they can stop it. Make peace, war ends. Make a state, leave Israel alone, thrive.

these are just mostly conservative leaning groups like evangelical Christians.

So, they have a bit of a libertarian streak. Or they have an attitude that it doesn't matter who is elected. They tend to keep to their own and make their own way.

Everyone just dances around it. A town in MI banned pride from municipal spaces and fired some employees who violated their rules.

That mayor and council weren’t Christian conservatives.

He lost his mind after the US started hitting Yemeni missile batteries, ranting on Facebook about "Genocide Joe".

He came here 15 years ago, got his parents here 5 yr ago, and just brought his two brothers and sister over less than 2 years ago.

Trump will not be kind to his family if he gets back in power.

and then carrying out attacks in Afghanistan ?

Seriously turn off Fox News and quit listening to the right wing bullshit propaganda. That crap is bad for you.

give a chunk of prime real estate to Trump's SIL, Jared Kushner, who will build luxury condos by the beach.

Betcha didn't think of THAT, huh?

And the Arab voters are really angry and ready to burn the house down.
No one is listening to them in their desperation watching their friends
and families die.

Like it or not they were part of coalition that elected Biden and
he is failing them. 'We may all pay the price.

The best thing that happens is a permeant cease fire and assistance
for post-war Gaza, ASAP.

He's already told Nety to finish it up. And Gaza will be cleared for waterfront condos.

That's why you don't make decisions when you're angry.

is Biden abandoning Israel completely, and then maybe bombing Tel Aviv,

Israel in 2020 when they gave him their full-throated support.

They just never dreamed that he would fully support Israel while they
are slaughtering and starving the children and people of Gaza.

To this point, they see his efforts as too little, too late.

It's just a matter of time before we see some guy standing behind Trump with this logo emblazoned across his t-shirt.

Then I won't come to their defense when Trump deports them.

They wanna send a message? Well..f...that....

At least we will know who to blame for the Muslim ban and deportations. This is a really good plan

Sarcasm thingy added.

Most of them are right wing plants

Influence in America's Mosques mosques and how the Saudis pimped for Trump in 2016 and 2020...

to exportation from the U.S. en masse? Because I don’t think many of them are going to forget that.