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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,631 posts)
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 08:06 PM Apr 29

This congresswoman was born and raised in Ukraine. She just voted against aid for her homeland

SHERIDAN, Ind. (AP) — U.S. Rep. Victoria Spartz, the first and only Ukrainian-born member of Congress, emerged early on as a natural advocate for supporting her native country in its war with Russia. But when $61 billion in additional support for the war effort came up for a vote in the House recently, she voted against it.

Instead she has called for better oversight of U.S. funds and opposed giving “blank checks” to the Ukrainian cause. She says U.S. border security should be a bigger priority.

That puts her more in line with conservative House Republicans and more notably with voters in her deeply conservative central Indiana congressional district. She's locked in a tough reelection fight in the May 7 GOP primary, made all the more complicated by her public announcement more than a year ago that she wouldn't seek another term, a decision she later reversed.

The aid package, part of a larger bill that also included assistance for Israel, Taiwan and other global hot spots, was approved by the House on April 20, the Senate on Tuesday and signed into law by President Joe Biden on Wednesday.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/congresswoman-born-raised-ukraine-she-041129407.html

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This congresswoman was born and raised in Ukraine. She just voted against aid for her homeland (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 29 OP
She is awful Delphinus Apr 29 #1
One critical detail missing. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 29 #2
Selling out your country is the GOP way. Irish_Dem Apr 29 #3
So why isn;t her Party affiliation an important detail? OAITW r.2.0 Apr 29 #7
They are deliberately misleading readers. Irish_Dem Apr 29 #8
Eggzactly! OAITW r.2.0 Apr 29 #12
I should get a prize. Irish_Dem Apr 29 #13
OK, I award you the first "Old and In the Way Prize". First ever. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 29 #15
I'm honored. Irish_Dem Apr 29 #16
I, perhaps, if I knew how do do it would send you the $ electronically..... OAITW r.2.0 Apr 29 #18
I have never tasted Dunkin' Donut coffee. Irish_Dem Apr 29 #19
It's a coffee that you have to buy and accept. Not as cheap as, say, Northern New England gas station that delivers OAITW r.2.0 Apr 29 #22
As enticing as the gas station coffee and croissant sound, I'll take a pass on that. Irish_Dem Apr 29 #23
I don't work for Dunkin, nor have they've ever paid me for a rec. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 29 #24
She is an "r". I checked just to make sure, but my experience is, if niyad Apr 29 #29
PutinGOP media hard at work, as usual. Irish_Dem Apr 30 #40
"Locked in a tough GOP primary" question everything Apr 29 #26
Her party affiliation is identified in article, right under the opening photo. Silent Type Apr 29 #28
She is a Republican. LoisB Apr 29 #6
Third paragraph LiberalFighter Apr 29 #14
In the Article Bob_in_VA Apr 29 #31
It was not left out at all, here are the fifth and sixth sentences in the article: Celerity Apr 30 #39
Somebody gave her a perfect phone call dalton99a Apr 29 #4
Wonder what Pres Zelensky would have to Cha Apr 29 #10
BBC just interviewed her hometown (Chernihiv) mayor, who was critical, but measured in his response muriel_volestrangler Apr 30 #43
TY.. a magat robot. Grateful Ukraine 🇺🇦 Cha Apr 30 #44
Indeed....there's a real story to be told about why Republicans suddenly change their tune. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 29 #11
She even was dressed in blue and yellow during that session question everything Apr 29 #27
Not everyone born there... 2naSalit Apr 29 #5
Can you elucidate? OAITW r.2.0 Apr 29 #33
Says she was... 2naSalit Apr 29 #34
I could be wrong....and I most frequently am...... OAITW r.2.0 Apr 29 #37
And I could be wrong too. 2naSalit Apr 30 #38
My Congresswoman... Happy Hoosier Apr 29 #9
There are crazy Republican ads in my district. Indiana 3rd District LiberalFighter Apr 29 #17
Stutzman will fit right in. Chellee Apr 29 #25
She grew up under communism and is an expert on socialism. Emile Apr 29 #20
Lots of Russians were resettled in Ukraine by Stalin after the Holodomor. haele Apr 29 #21
She's a REPUBLICAN!!! Where is the hook? Get her off the stage! TeamProg Apr 29 #30
Boooooo. !!! TeamProg Apr 29 #32
The thing is, Ukraine is very complicated, even after independence tornado34jh Apr 29 #35
She's a republican in Indiana....more maga than Ukrainian spanone Apr 29 #36
If you tried to produce a movie maxrandb Apr 30 #41
"Locked in a GOP primary battle" Azathoth Apr 30 #42
Ukraine wasn't a country back then. It was part of the Soviet Union. Angleae May 1 #45

OAITW r.2.0

(24,900 posts)
7. So why isn;t her Party affiliation an important detail?
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 08:15 PM
Apr 29

I infer that she is a Republican, but why isn't that an important fact in this story? Puts a different perspective on the story, IMHO.

Irish_Dem

(48,650 posts)
8. They are deliberately misleading readers.
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 08:19 PM
Apr 29

We think she must be a Dem.
Who is not voting with the other Dems.

She must think there is something so wrong with the bill even a Ukrainian Dem can't vote for it.

If we knew she was an R, we would understand immediately.
And would not be surprised at all the she is selling out her own country of origin.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,900 posts)
18. I, perhaps, if I knew how do do it would send you the $ electronically.....
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 09:05 PM
Apr 29

Not good at that, so I could pay you for a large Dunkin' Donut's (reg or decaf) coffee. Best if I send 4 bucks in the mail. PM your PO Box.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,900 posts)
22. It's a coffee that you have to buy and accept. Not as cheap as, say, Northern New England gas station that delivers
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 09:50 PM
Apr 29

"Green Mountain" coffee at 1/2 the price, but still, $4 bucks is $4 bucks. You could probably get a 2 day old croissant with the coffee and pocket the change.

Irish_Dem

(48,650 posts)
23. As enticing as the gas station coffee and croissant sound, I'll take a pass on that.
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 09:56 PM
Apr 29

I'll take the recommendation of DD coffee as prize payment in full.
I pass by a DD every now and then but never stopped there.
Next time I will go in and get a cup of coffee.
Sounds like a fun stop.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,900 posts)
24. I don't work for Dunkin, nor have they've ever paid me for a rec.
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 10:09 PM
Apr 29

If you need a coffee, they have one.

niyad

(114,169 posts)
29. She is an "r". I checked just to make sure, but my experience is, if
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 10:50 PM
Apr 29

a report omits party affiliation of a politician in something not nice, they are an "r". Have not been wrong yet.

Celerity

(43,916 posts)
39. It was not left out at all, here are the fifth and sixth sentences in the article:
Tue Apr 30, 2024, 03:17 AM
Apr 30

That puts her more in line with conservative House Republicans and more notably with voters in her deeply conservative central Indiana congressional district. She's locked in a tough reelection fight in the May 7 GOP primary, made all the more complicated by her public announcement more than a year ago that she wouldn't seek another term, a decision she later reversed.

Cha

(298,310 posts)
10. Wonder what Pres Zelensky would have to
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 08:32 PM
Apr 29

say about that.

Does she have any relatives in Ukraine.?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,440 posts)
43. BBC just interviewed her hometown (Chernihiv) mayor, who was critical, but measured in his response
Tue Apr 30, 2024, 05:44 PM
Apr 30

From 22 minutes in "The World Tonight" radio programme (live link here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_fourfm , or this might work after it ends (only about 10 minutes from now) : https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001yqv8

Then they interviewed her. And she's a complete nut-job. She claims Zelensky and Biden are "corrupt" and "idiots". She's spreading the Putin disinformation. And tries to claim it's nothing to do with getting primaried. Or that she's changed her position.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,900 posts)
11. Indeed....there's a real story to be told about why Republicans suddenly change their tune.
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 08:33 PM
Apr 29

It's not a better political argument.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,900 posts)
33. Can you elucidate?
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 11:33 PM
Apr 29
She's on the side of Republicans now, but was a pro-Ukrainian refugee What happened?

2naSalit

(87,090 posts)
34. Says she was...
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 11:38 PM
Apr 29

Born in Ukraine, that is all. It assumes that because she was born there that she's automatically pro Ukraine of today. Many ruzzians and ruzzian patriots were born there. People come here for many reasons. Maybe she's part of a sleeper cell, you know?

That she's currently an R, is telling. I just think she wasn't really Ukrainian Ukrainian at any point int time.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,900 posts)
37. I could be wrong....and I most frequently am......
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 11:55 PM
Apr 29

but I think she came for a better life and someone convinced her to be a Republican with a nice salary and a script.

OTOH, I send this tune as I am writing this.

https://music.

&si=bfpwwe2zVtcIMp0d

2naSalit

(87,090 posts)
38. And I could be wrong too.
Tue Apr 30, 2024, 12:15 AM
Apr 30

You have a valid point, she could have just been convinced by someone to go that route.

LiberalFighter

(51,530 posts)
17. There are crazy Republican ads in my district. Indiana 3rd District
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 08:59 PM
Apr 29

Grant Bucher
Wendy W. Davis *
Michael Felker
Jon Kenworthy
Tim Smith *
Marlin A. Stutzman *
Eric Whalen
Andy Zay *

Those with an asterisk have ads. Haven't seen any for the others. They are all creepy.

Chellee

(2,106 posts)
25. Stutzman will fit right in.
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 10:22 PM
Apr 29

He retired last time under a cloud of ethics investigations for campaign finance violations.

haele

(12,713 posts)
21. Lots of Russians were resettled in Ukraine by Stalin after the Holodomor.
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 09:45 PM
Apr 29

From the 30's through the 50's. This to replace native Ukrainians, Tartars, and other groups found not to be loyal to Stalin.
She may have been born in Ukraine, but her family historically might well be ethnic Russians, and owed much of their relative prosperity in Ukraine to the old Soviet resettlement policy.

Haele

tornado34jh

(995 posts)
35. The thing is, Ukraine is very complicated, even after independence
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 11:40 PM
Apr 29

Victoria Spartz (born Viktoria Kul'heyko) was born in Nosivka, in what is Chernihiv Oblast in northern Ukraine. There is a significant minority of Russians and Belarusians there in the northern districts. There are many Ukrainians, particularly the older ones, who were under communism/socialism, but yet when the Soviet Union collapsed, it ended up being very difficult post-independence to find work because during Soviet times, there were a lot of them. Ukrainian culture was suppressed for a long time and it's only recently within the last decade or so that Ukraine really asserted itself as being independent of Russia. But again, Ukraine has been divided linguistically between Ukrainian and Russian for a long time, particularly in Crimea and eastern Ukraine, even despite the fact that most of the people of eastern Ukraine voted for Ukraine to be independent. Even now, politically, there are big divisions within Ukraine, although it doesn't seem like it right now. But again, since she is in Indiana, it isn't surprising that she would follow the GOP playbook.

maxrandb

(15,435 posts)
41. If you tried to produce a movie
Tue Apr 30, 2024, 07:36 AM
Apr 30

and you presented a character that was a Russian asset who won a Congressional seat in Congress, and Rep. Spartz was your example, it would be rejected for being too obvious.

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