WTF are they thinking?! This is insane.

Trespassing, vandalism and false imprisonment.

This has crossed over into terroristic threats.

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The news media kept referring to terrorists in Iran grabbing and holding hostages as "students."

According to conservative estimates, less than HALF of these people arrested at these protests are actually students.

I'm not going to call them "outside agitators," but they are just bored young adults stirring up trouble for shits and giggles.

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Instead, deliver some catered meals and watch how they become more belligerent and indignant over being treated well.

Looks like they're going for the sympathy angle. "Just try and remove us by force. The world is watching."

And don't forget how brutal and unfair it would be to suspend them from the college or bring charges against them for property damage and taking hostages when they are only peacefully protesting.

When spoilt children are told no.

probably sincerely think that there should be no negative consequences to their actions because of how strongly they believe that their cause is right.

I think that quite a few of the protesters say that they are being treated unfairly because they want to gain sympathy for their cause by creating a martyrdom image. "We suffer in solidarity with Palestinians."

Smashing windows, intimating people. flying the Palestine flag.

I think that is smart. Either way, they lose. But this way they stay out of the nonsense. Once asked, they will have more pull and support.

Shocking.. Hamas Fans Are Not Helping Gazans.. As Hamas is responsible for their death and destruction. If Hamas had not Sneak Attacked and Slaughtered Israelis this would Not be happening.

for posting this. I wonder if there are outside protestors who are not students escalating this situation.

There must be a way to de-escalate this situation instead of violence, communicating with the protestors may help dont'ca think????

Coordinated and Escalated to bring down Pres Biden & Dems. They ae helping Netanyahu because he wants TSF back in the WH.

Mahalo bdaammoma

I'd suspect Roger Stone or Bannon but I don't think either of them are smart or sober enough to pull it off.

I mean, WTF?

"'Dozens more protesters rally outside, forming a human chain to block the doors and chanting 'From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” and 'Palestine will live forever.'”

Do they realize they are in the US. JFC.

This self-indulgent performance art has no real purpose.

be so "proud".

This was just posted to Instagram by the group behind UT’s protest. Apparently putting the encampment back up now that most police have left

NEED MORE PEOPLE MAN
CAMPS IS GOING BACK UP
FUUUUUCK THESE OPPRESSORS MAN
Pigs is too kind of a name!!

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Stop paying the school money for tuition. You don't like how they do business? Find a school that meets your core values.

Any student not reporting to a classroom with their ID by 6: 00 pm is suspended pending a hearing for expulsion.

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If they are here on a Visa, kicked out. This is ridiculous.

Perhaps they should put up signs around the campus

Stop hiding! Why are they ashamed?

This is what that means, right?

Time for the FO phase of FAFO.

federal crimes. And put them in prison.

Maybe someone should post that on TikTok.

Irrespective of motivation. If they are stupid enough to go along with agitators, then that is on them.

I think that Palestinian organizers and leaders want and provoke this kind of disruption to get attention to their cause.

They have followers among passionate, idealistic people who are concerned about Palestinian rights and accept protest slogans and terminology at face value.

Not in this country, anyway.

most likely the ones behind the escalation to hostage taking and occupying the building through force, not outside RW agitators. Mob rule then takes over for any others who are protesting with them.

Mob rule is a dangerous thing. People get worked up into a frenzy to do things they would not otherwise do. I am in no way excusing what they are doing, just describing it.

the cause of Palestinians, they should be protesting Hamas. Instead, they use Hamas terminology and slogans.

that because they are acting like thugs - that is only stands to reason that they must be MAGA agitators, or some variety of infiltrator operative. Nope. That would be a comfort to some - but it remains untrue.

They're not smart enough to have been accepted at Columbia.

Do you KNOW any actual current college students- because I do, and they are mostly supportive of what's happening. They are either 1. True believers 2. Are fans of anarchy and chaos, especially if it can be turned into a TikTok or 3. Are desperate for a cause or movement to join to feel connected in this completely disconnected society.

We already know who some of the leaders are, and their socialist, anti-white, anti-government bonafides are confirmed. Other students are following these students because they are charismatic and have successfully mastered control of mob rule. https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/university-protests-palestine-04-27-24/h_9269b1c4fe62ac3ef265154b1f2c456c

(and particularly here in this instance) It should be discouraged. This is not nearly as convoluted as many are desperate to make it.

Any students simply blocking access to the building should face arrest and the appropriate charges and then suspension from Columbia. Any faculty doing the same should face the same charges and termination from the university.

Any students inside the hall should face arrest and the appropriate charges and then expulsion from Columbia. Any faculty inside the hall, same as above.

This is beyond ridiculous.

Another tactic that would be amusing would be to set up cell phone jammers outside the hall so the revolution can't be broadcast. Clear out the media from the vicinity of Hamilton Hall. Provide food and water. Keep emergency responders nearby in case of any medical emergencies amongst the revolutionaries. Otherwise, let them sit there with no media outlet, social or otherwise, and see how long it takes them to have an absolute screaming hissy fit.

I'm betting half an hour, an hour tops.

"Joint Task Force Empire Shield is an element of the New York State Division of Military and Naval Affairs partly responsible for the military defense of New York City, primarily the deterrence and prevention of internal security threats. It is composed of personnel from the New York Army National Guard, the New York Air National Guard, the New York Guard, and the New York Naval Militia."

As Keyzer Sose once said, "Then he showed those men of will what will really was."

and the protests should fizzle.

But, I'm concerned that, in order to force attention back on themselves, they would escalate to a worse level of violence.

Allow them power and food/water, of course, but jam cell phone data transmission and cut any internet lines to the building. Keep the media away by putting up a perimeter.

With no audience for their morality play, they'll break within hours. After all, if they can't display how wonderful and virtuous they are, what's the point?

Would they physically hurt (but not kill) someone in the building and push them out through a first floor window with a note listing their demands and a threat of worse to follow if their demands were not met?

Would they be fanatically extreme enough to set part of the building on fire?

It's not really a serious suggestion, anyway. I just think it'd be funny watching them have a total meltdown when they realize their performance isn't reaching an audience.

I'd like to think Columbia would show some spine and simply ask NYPD to go in and solve the problem, but alas, if that request hasn't come yet it's probably not going to. Odds are they're going to negotiate with them, or try to, and then NYPD will go in afterward. Columbia might as well cut to the chase.

But all joking aside, any students blocking access to the building should be suspended for a minimum of one semester. Any students inside the building should be expelled. Any faculty involved in either should have their employment with the university ended on the spot. All of the above should be arrested and charged and have their day in court for any crimes they've committed.

Failure to apply consequences to these spoiled children will only encourage them to act out in more and more extreme ways. They're already bleating about amnesty, and the answer to that should be...

we're not real. I have also thought along the lines of denying them media access so that they fizzle out.

But, the suggestions were similar to the psychological model of behaviorism. I was flowing the behaviorist principle that, when ignored, behavior initially escalates in reaction to being ignored.

The standoff will end sometime. I suspect that the protesters hope for an ending that they can dramatize to fit their projected martyrdom image.

Oh, more than likely. NYPD going in after them is what they want. They want to draw the parallels between themselves and the Palestinians and NYPD and the IDF. The glorious revolution will be on TikTok for everyone to see.

I don't know, maybe just ignoring them really is the best path forward. Give them the old silent treatment and let the wheels fall off.

59% of 18 to 29 yr olds get their news from social media & everyone has a phone.

they would not be able to recharge them.

Also, if print and broadcast media stopped covering them, their own self-promotion would be more limited than the current, constant mainstream media coverage.

...and, what some people say about holding Diaper Donny Dollhands accountable.

"What if MAGA...."

Too fucking bad.

"...set up cell phone jammers outside the hall so the revolution can't be broadcast. Clear out the media from the vicinity of Hamilton Hall. Provide food and water. Keep emergency responders nearby in case of any medical emergencies amongst the revolutionaries. Otherwise, let them sit there with no media outlet, social or otherwise, and see how long it takes them to have an absolute screaming hissy fit."

Perfect.

I never heard of her before. But people on twitter had images that looked like her.
I don't know if she's being "paid" for this venture, but she is a professional protester.

Lisa Fithian is an American political activist and "protest consultant".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Fithian

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They are all protestors, and they all have the right to protest. Just as they all have the right to be held accountable for their, shall we say, less than graceful actions conducted while protesting.

And how their “peaceful demonstrations” harkened back to the flower power protests of the 1960s that so many here remember fondly, and that anyone not joining them were “complicit in genocide”.

I’m sure “For What it’s Worth” is playing on blast as they type.

But those who are of that age, also know this happened in the 60's, so I don't buy it.

My dad once bought me a poster (which I refused to put up):

"How are you going to change the world if you don't clean your room"...LOL

Sorry I can't find that stupid poster anywhere. It was all over the place for awhile. I had the messiest room in the world.

Laughably so.

it's happening during election season. You have to wonder if there isn't a paid, organized something or other going on in the background to gin up this craziness. Just wait . . . Trump will make this his main talking point against Biden.

local, largely peaceful and organic in origin and then turn into a chaotic nationwide election weapon against Democrats. I'm extremely skeptical of all of this.

Per the Colombia website (Spring 2024). Dorms will close, campus services will go to limited time . . .

That's when we'll find out who is real and who is a fake agitator.

to be in Gaza when they are privileged af living the privileged campus life. Now I see I did hear correctly---one girl on TV was comparing the sacrifices of her campus tent to the Gaza situation, saying she doesn't have it as bad as they do. Ya think? So phony it's sickening. Such privilege.

Good to see you, she!

Unbelievable, in more ways than one.

Good to see you too, Nixie. I hope all is well with you.

JFC.

and acting in good faith.

I also believe the good-faith protesters are being manipulated by outside interests that are more interested in exploiting chaos, any chaos, that can be purchased. Chaos has been the signature move of Moscow the past dozen years or so, and like an auteur's film, this has a deep Cyrillic odor to it.

After Moscow's Foreign Intelligence Service took over the management of the late Prigozhin's Internet Research Agency (the troll farm in St Petersburg where the phrase "I hope I'm wrong, but..." became profitable), it's not difficult for me to imagine rubles going to pay down loans for a handful of influential leaders, posters, and/or protesters.

And if this is indeed, what's happening (or in part), then I gotta think that FIS has mastered the art of exploiting and enlarging otherwise much less consequential national divisions into spicy recipes for a stew of national crises.

If they are so easily manipulated by propaganda and whatever values they might have held so easily bought for a few rubles then that makes them fools and tools.

I have no use for people like this, none at all.

and Cleaned up the Campus.

Nearly 100 people arrested at Columbia, NYPD says after clearing Hamilton Hall

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/campus-protests-live-updates-students-occupy-columbia-university-rcna149926