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Celerity

(43,835 posts)
Tue Apr 30, 2024, 05:15 AM Apr 30

The US says it opposes the International Criminal Court's investigation into alleged Israeli war crimes





https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/israel-icc-war-crimes-gaza-us-z6p08j7ch



The US has said it opposes the International Criminal Court’s investigation into alleged Israeli war crimes in Gaza after reports the court was poised to issue arrest warrants against Binyamin Netanyahu and other officials. Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, is understood to have asked President Biden to block the inquiry. The court, which is based in The Hague, is believed to be considering warrants for the arrest of Netanyahu; Yoav Gallant, his defence minister; and Herzi Halevi, the Israel Defence Forces chief of staff.



Yoav Gallant and, below centre, Herzi Halevi - GETTY IMAGES


Despite public dissent at Netanyahu’s handling of the conflict over recent weeks, the Biden administration offered a public show of support for him on Monday. “We’ve been really clear about the ICC investigation,” Karine Jean-Pierre, the White House press secretary, said. “We do not support it. We don’t believe that they have the jurisdiction.” Neither Israel nor the United States are among the court’s 124 member states. “Under my leadership, Israel will never accept any attempt by the ICC to undermine its inherent right of self defence,” Netanyahu wrote on Twitter/X last week. “While the ICC will not affect Israel’s actions, it would set a dangerous precedent that threatens the soldiers and officials of all democracies fighting savage terrorism and wanton aggression.”

Behind the scenes, however, the prime minister is reported to be increasingly concerned that the court could hold him personally accountable for the spiralling death toll in Gaza and for mounting allegations of war crimes by Israeli troops. Almost 35,000 Palestinians have been killed since the war began in October, according to the latest figures from the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza. Netanyahu voiced his concern about the investigation during a phone call with Biden on Sunday, in which the two leaders discussed the latest hostage negotiations with Hamas and efforts to broker a ceasefire. Israeli officials told Axios that the prime minister asked Biden personally to help prevent the court from issuing warrants against him and other senior officials.

US officials have indicated that they remain uncertain if warrants are imminent, but have revealed that the prosecutor’s office is under pressure to take action against Israel from several member states and activist groups, Axios reported. Members of Congress have warned that any ICC arrest warrants for Israeli officials will be met with US retaliation. Mike Johnson, the Republican House speaker, said that a move targeting Israel would be “disgraceful” and demanded that the Biden administration should “use every available tool to prevent such an abomination”. “If unchallenged by the Biden administration, the ICC could create and assume unprecedented power to issue arrest warrants against American political leaders, American diplomats, and American military personnel,” Johnson said in a statement.

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The US says it opposes the International Criminal Court's investigation into alleged Israeli war crimes (Original Post) Celerity Apr 30 OP
Birds of a feather malaise Apr 30 #1
cherry picking Tetrachloride Apr 30 #2
In regards to what? Celerity Apr 30 #3
Netanyahu asked the US to block any arrest warrants? Violet_Crumble Apr 30 #4
I think the main thing it could do is to veto a UN Security Council request to the ICC prosecutor to investigate crimes Celerity Apr 30 #5
The Security Council needs to be restructured Violet_Crumble Apr 30 #6
International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova Celerity Apr 30 #8
I would say no atreides1 Apr 30 #7
Ding ding malaise Apr 30 #10
I wouldn't trust Netanyahu bdamomma Apr 30 #9
If the US makes this one go away then should the Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova Autumn Apr 30 #11
That's a good question ck4829 Apr 30 #15
Not a surprise but makes me so disappointed just the same. Nanjeanne Apr 30 #12
The US does not recognize Palestinians as having sovereignty so thinks they have no rights under ICC. David__77 Apr 30 #13
A real "dog bites man" story Prairie Gates Apr 30 #14

Celerity

(43,835 posts)
5. I think the main thing it could do is to veto a UN Security Council request to the ICC prosecutor to investigate crimes
Tue Apr 30, 2024, 07:43 AM
Apr 30

It could also refuse to cooperate, and place massive pressure on other countries to do the same things.

Violet_Crumble

(35,992 posts)
6. The Security Council needs to be restructured
Tue Apr 30, 2024, 07:48 AM
Apr 30

Its not at all equitable or fair, and gives countries with pretty stinky track records far too much power to throw spanners in the works.

I have a vague recollection of arrest warrants being issued for Putin and others, but maybe it was a different court. I'll have to go back and refresh my memory about the ICJ.

Celerity

(43,835 posts)
8. International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova
Tue Apr 30, 2024, 07:59 AM
Apr 30
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court_arrest_warrants_for_Vladimir_Putin_and_Maria_Lvova-Belova

On 17 March 2023, following an investigation of war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide, the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued arrest warrants for Vladimir Putin, the President of Russia, and Maria Lvova-Belova, Russian Commissioner for Children's Rights, alleging responsibility for the war crime of unlawful deportation and transfer of children during the Russo-Ukrainian War.

The warrant against Putin is the first against the leader of a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council. The 124 member states of the ICC are obliged to detain and transfer Putin and Lvova-Belova if either sets foot on their territory.

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more at the link

Also, it is important to note :

https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/09/02/qa-international-criminal-court-and-united-states#2

2. Is the US a member of the ICC?

The US is not a state party to the Rome Statute. The US participated in the negotiations that led to the creation of the court.

However, in 1998 the US was one of only seven countries – along with China, Iraq, Israel, Libya, Qatar, and Yemen – that voted against the Rome Statute.

US President Bill Clinton signed the Rome Statute in 2000 but did not submit the treaty to the Senate for ratification.

In 2002, President George W. Bush effectively “unsigned” the treaty, sending a note to the United Nations secretary-general that the US no longer intended to ratify the treaty and that it did not have any obligations toward it.

However, since then, US relations with the court have been complicated but often positive (see question 7 below).

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atreides1

(16,129 posts)
7. I would say no
Tue Apr 30, 2024, 07:55 AM
Apr 30

Although not a member, Biden has welcomed the ICC's decision for the arrest warrant of the President of Russia Vladimir Putin and the Russian Commissioner for Children's Rights Maria Lvova-Belova on March 18, 2023 during the Russian invasion of Ukraine after it was discovered that Russia had deported children from Ukraine.

ICC gets a go to arrest Putin, but no one can touch the Israelis...can we say hypocrite

bdamomma

(63,982 posts)
9. I wouldn't trust Netanyahu
Tue Apr 30, 2024, 08:25 AM
Apr 30

on this comment.

Netanyahu voiced his concern about the investigation during a phone call with Biden on Sunday, in which the two leaders discussed the latest hostage negotiations with Hamas and efforts to broker a ceasefire.

Has this even been considered by Netanyahu????

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
11. If the US makes this one go away then should the Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova
Tue Apr 30, 2024, 08:47 AM
Apr 30

arrest warrants be tossed out? Justice?

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