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Celerity

(43,845 posts)
Sat May 4, 2024, 11:30 AM May 4

Former Israeli PM Ehud Olmert - Israelis Must Flood the Streets to Keep the IDF Out of Rafah



https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-05-03/ty-article-opinion/.premium/israelis-must-flood-the-streets-to-keep-the-idf-out-of-rafah/0000018f-3aac-d516-afbf-feeea9ff0000

https://archive.ph/jEB1J



After more than six months of hybrid warfare – in the air, on land and underground – it's possible to conclude that the bulk of Hamas' military power has been dismantled. Most of its rockets and launch sites have been destroyed and there has hardly been any rocket fire from the Gaza Strip for over four months. This isn't the result of some tactical decision by Hamas intended to deceive and disarm Israeli security forces, to then surprise us again with an unexpected attack that could gravely damage the home front and our combat units. It is highly likely that Hamas has hardly any rockets or launch sites left and is incapable of operating the few it has, as the military controls most of the areas from which rockets could be fired at Israel.

A considerable portion of Hamas fighters has been killed, an accomplishment that is highly significant. These are not just its frontline combatants, but also members of its command level. It is almost certain that the most senior commanders, above all Yahya Sinwar and Mohammed Deif, are still alive. They are hiding in places whose penetration could exact a heavy price from Israel, one that would be wrong to pay. It will be possible to hit Sinwar and Deif in future targeted actions, even if it takes time and does not necessarily suit the prime minister's personal timetable. For him, the killing of Hamas commanders is an opportunity to throw a victory gala designed to obscure the magnitude of the failure for which he bears responsibility – the October 7 disaster.

However, as has been said repeatedly, the course of the war and its priorities must not be made subordinate to Netanyahu's personal needs. There is no one in Israel who isn't yearning to hear of Deif and Sinwar being killed. They are cold-blooded arch-murderers who lack moral inhibitions, terrorists in the fullest sense of the term. As much as we want to take them out, we must act with restraint, patience and reason. During the Second Lebanon War, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah was defined as a target for a strike. We wanted to chop off the head of that poisonous snake, but we did not make the war subservient to this cause alone. Ultimately, Nasrallah stated on Lebanese television that had he known what 1 percent of the scope of Israel's response to the abduction and murder of Ehud Goldwasser, Eldad Regev and other soldiers would be, and Israel's ferocious response to Hezbollah's rocket attack, he wouldn't have done it.

As an Israeli military accomplishment, such a statement from a live Nasrallah was almost the same as killing him and displaying his body. The 17 years in which he took caution not to initiate a single attack on Israel – not even with light arms – are a profound reflection of the military accomplishment of that 2006 war and the deterrence it created on the northern border. Even though some among us still enjoy criticizing its successes after all these years, the fact that Nasrallah understands the magnitude of his defeat is enough to put that war in the right perspective. At this point, we have achieved the same level of deterrence in Gaza that we had at the end of the Second Lebanon War. At the beginning of the ground maneuver in Gaza, the prime minister set an unrealistic goal, which there was no way to achieve and no way to measure. Benjamin Netanyahu did it, to my understanding, for vile conspiratorial reasons that can't be concealed. He knew talk of "total victory" over Hamas was an empty slogan. There will not be such a victory. In its absence, he can always blame the military for not accomplishing it.

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Lonestarblue

(10,208 posts)
1. Four months without any serious Hamas attacks. Why is Israel still at war?
Sat May 4, 2024, 01:28 PM
May 4

The only people they’re killing are civilians, and Bibi is refusing to get the hostages back. What more do Israelis need to stop supporting this government. Evidently, the protests are not enough to convince anyone in the current coalition to force elections.

Mosby

(16,437 posts)
2. How is bibi "refusing to get the hostages back"?
Sat May 4, 2024, 01:31 PM
May 4

Seems like your blaming Bibi and Israel for the horrific crimes committed by Hamas.

Hamas needs to release the hostages.

Israeli

(4,174 posts)
5. With Hamas Talks on the Verge of Collapse, Netanyahu Puts Up a Rejectionist Front
Mon May 6, 2024, 06:21 AM
May 6
The director of the CIA was dispatched to the middle east in an effort to save the hostage deal, and Netanyahu is considered to be the main obstacle. The intensity of U.S. pressure will determine whether he accedes to President Biden's demands

Veteran Netanyahu watchers – and by this point, that includes most Israeli adults – have long known that he is the sum of his fears and the pressure exerted on him. Today, it's hard to distinguish between the two. But Mariano Edelman's years-long portrayal of Netanyahu on the satirical television show "Eretz Nehederet" conveys the man's essence – wild eyes, constant fear, serial excuses.
It's no secret that Netanyahu is now in a vise. On one hand, even though Hamas' leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, continues placing obstacles before a deal, the Biden administration is pushing Netanyahu to be even more flexible and seek an agreement. And the Americans' next moves will have a decisive influence over developments.


They have offered to wrap the Israeli concessions in a plethora of sweeteners, first and foremost a normalization agreement with Saudi Arabia. But if Netanyahu refuses, and especially if he orders an invasion of Rafah, the result may well be restrictions on the supply of American arms to the Israel Defense Forces and a worsening of the international siege (the economic boycott Turkey announced is just the first bit of bad news; more will likely follow).
And around the corner lies the threat of arrest warrants by the International Criminal Court – something that particularly worries Netanyahu, since it's aimed directly at him
.


Netanyahu's moves over the weekend were frighteningly transparent. Saturday morning, the mediators began leaking optimistic predictions of an imminent hostage deal to the Arab and American media. Netanyahu's office responded with two press statements later that day in which a "senior government official" promised that the war would continue and the IDF would invade Rafah.
The meaning of this step was perfectly understood in Washington, Jerusalem and Cairo – Netanyahu seeks to torpedo progress should Hamas by some chance respond positively.


And meanwhile, the pro-Netanyahu Channel 14 TV can continue spouting the fiction that the prime minister ordered an invasion of Rafah last week, but was somehow stymied by a cowardly coalition consisting of the defense minister, the IDF chief of staff and the two National Unity Party ministers in the war cabinet.


Source : Haaretz

Link (no paywall ) : https://archive.md/dtPNq

Mosby

(16,437 posts)
7. You think Israel should surrender to hopefully get living hostages back.
Mon May 6, 2024, 11:23 AM
May 6

Assuming that Hamas still feels like doing it after the victory tour.

Celerity

(43,845 posts)
3. Netanyahu vows to invade Rafah 'with or without a deal' as cease-fire talks with Hamas continue
Sat May 4, 2024, 05:09 PM
May 4
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/netanyahu-vows-invade-rafah-deal-cease-fire-talks-109778544

Netanyahu vows to invade Rafah regardless of cease-fire deal

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/30/israel-hamas-war-news-gaza-palestine/


Israel will invade Gaza's Rafah 'with or without' a hostage deal, Netanyahu says

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/30/1248276817/israel-invade-gaza-rafah-hostage-deal-netanyahu


Israel’s planned invasion of Rafah risks killing hundreds of thousands, UN says

https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-hamas-latest-05-03-2024-fd7d9c386b70d8e175b3e55a999a9e1b


Israel's Netanyahu is determined to launch a ground offensive in Rafah. Here's why, and why it matters.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-netanyahu-rafah-offensive-why-it-matters/

EX500rider

(10,898 posts)
4. "The only people they're killing are civilians" And how would you know that?
Sat May 4, 2024, 05:43 PM
May 4

Hamas lists all their dead as "civilians"

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