So not shocked there’s no easy answer.

I do not want to see girl's sports invaded by former boys. I do not want to see trans girls turned away. I have no idea how to resolve this.

The problem is the science does not back that claim. Transgendered athletes have been allowed to compete in the Olympics for over 20 years now and guess how many have won a metal? One, in a group sport.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/trans-women-may-actually-face-several-disadvantages-in-athletic-competition-study-finds/ar-AA1nAX5k

Trans Women May Actually Face Several Disadvantages in Athletic Competition, Study Finds

Transgender women athletes may have several physical disadvantages when competing with cisgender women, according to a new study funded in part by the International Olympic Committee.

Published earlier this month in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, the study conducted physical fitness tests on a cohort of 69 cis and trans volunteers recruited within the United Kingdom via social media. Each of the subjects participated in some type of athletics at least three times a week, although not at the national or international levels, and the trans participants were required to have completed at least one year of hormone replacement therapy (HRT).

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2024/04/10/bjsports-2023-108029

Results In this cohort of athletes, TW had similar testosterone concentration (TW 0.7±0.5?nmol/L, CW 0.9±0.4?nmol/), higher oestrogen (TW 742.4±801.9?pmol/L, CW 336.0±266.3?pmol/L, p=0.045), higher absolute handgrip strength (TW 40.7±6.8?kg, CW 34.2±3.7?kg, p=0.01), lower forced expiratory volume in 1 s:forced vital capacity ratio (TW 0.83±0.07, CW 0.88±0.04, p=0.04), lower relative jump height (TW 0.7±0.2?cm/kg; CW 1.0±0.2?cm/kg, p…

Conclusion While longitudinal transitioning studies of transgender athletes are urgently needed, these results should caution against precautionary bans and sport eligibility exclusions that are not based on sport-specific (or sport-relevant) research.

What do you mean by "invaded"? What do you mean by "former boys"?

I was a sprinter in high school. I wasn't good enough to win very often, but it was fun. If I had to compete against boys who competed as girls, it would have been less fun and I never would have made the podium. So, if I were forced to resolve this, I would limit competition to girls who were born as girls. Assuming I were willing to serve my own interests and ignore the feelings of others.

be fun? Did you know that the people who kept you off the podium were "girls born as girls"?

If I had not been at least a little bit competitive, I probably would have switched to something like skating, although I'm not exactly the picture of grace and poise. I don't know. I suppose girls who worry about this could pursue sports where transgender athletes would be at a disadvantage. I guess this .might apply to figure skating, some gymnastics, synchronized swimming, things of that nature. That doesn't seem like a good resolution.

from EarlG:

There is no scientific or moral basis for arguing that transgender people should not play sports according to their gender identity. If cisgender girls say they want to play sports only against other cisgender girls, I don't know what to tell them. Shut up? Get used to it? It's easy to resolve the conflict by deciding one side is right and the other side is wrong. It appears DU has decided exactly that. That's OK with me. I will make my thinking conform to the conclusion. Problem solved.

(Or ride busses only with other whites, or go to school only with other whites, etc.)

You are free to think whatever you want. But DU is not a free-for-all -you aren't allowed to advocate right-wing opinions here, for example. Similarly, DU is not the place to express opinions that trans women are "former boys," or not women, or should not be permitted to play sports on women's teams.

I understand I am restricted in what ideas I am allowed to express. No problem.

"Invaded" as if there is an army of trans women just dying to storm in and take sports away from you. Change a few words and this sounds every bit as hateful as talking about black people "invading" "white spaces" or not unlike MAGA's hateful rhetoric on immigration

Calling trans women "former boys" is also a slur. The correct term is "assigned _____ at birth" where the blank is the gender assigned at birth

But yeah. Another "conflicted" one just "asking questions"

Before that, nobody cared. Ugh I really hate the internet conspiracy theory assholes.

Kids going without school lunches, continued mass incarceration, climate change inaction, crime reduction, educational opportunity, and reproductive freedom loss, among other Dem priorities, affect a large number of people in a big way. If there are elected (not self-elected, but "elected elected" ) groups who can speak to the democratically arrived at priority of other goals and stances, they should speak up and make their cases. Then, let the people decide.

Trying to decipher your post some.

For the majority of course. For the minority? That's how shit like Prop 8 becomes a reality