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applegrove

(119,216 posts)
Mon May 13, 2024, 02:56 PM May 13

Biden Underperforms Senate Democratic Candidates

Biden Underperforms Senate Democratic Candidates

May 13, 2024 at 7:41 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 144 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2024/05/13/biden-underperforms-senate-democratic-candidates/

"SNIP..........

Nate Cohn on this morning’s new battleground polls that showed Donald Trump leading Joe Biden in five of six key states:

“What’s more surprising is the U.S. Senate results. This is the first time we’ve asked about Senate races this year, and the Democratic candidates led in all four of the states we tested: Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona and Nevada.”

“Not only do Democrats lead, but they also seem to do so in an entirely customary way, with ordinary levels of support from young and nonwhite voters, even as Mr. Biden struggles at the top of the ticket…”

“This level of crossover voting has been extremely rare in the last few years, but it was pretty common before 2020. In fact, these results remind me a lot of the 2016 presidential election, when Mr. Trump surged in white working-class areas, Hillary Clinton surged in college-educated areas, and yet the Senate and House results by county still mostly followed the pre-2016 pattern.”

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Biden Underperforms Senate Democratic Candidates (Original Post) applegrove May 13 OP
Simple explanation. Biden is under attack BootinUp May 13 #1
Yes. And Musk took over Twitter than used to be a real town square. applegrove May 13 #3
The Israel situation MOMFUDSKI May 13 #2
I think it matters less than we think. shrike3 May 13 #5
People want to ignore this, but... DemocratInPa May 13 #10
I'm speaking strictly about the Israel-Hamas war. shrike3 May 13 #12
Turnout in certain states. Clinton made IMO an ultimately fatal mistake in trying kelly1mm May 13 #14
Race is tighter when it comes to likely voters. shrike3 May 13 #4
The LV RV is always off. It means, "I like Biden, but I probably won't bother to vote" LeftInTX May 13 #6
I thought that's what it meant. Thanks for confirming. shrike3 May 13 #7
Biden wins as long as he carries the Omaha Nebraska congressional district DemocraticPatriot May 13 #18
Forgot about Omaha Nebraska. Thanks for reminding me. shrike3 May 14 #24
... Celerity May 13 #8
That slap hurt, Celerity! My cheek is red.... DemocraticPatriot May 13 #21
Did they forget to poll Women and the young? pwb May 13 #9
White Women are for Trump.. They were for him in 2020, DemocratInPa May 13 #11
White women are good with losing freedoms? pwb May 13 #13
"No one I know voted for Nixon ....." and yet ..... nt kelly1mm May 13 #15
But on the other hand, Biden is actually winning with the 65+ voters, DemocraticPatriot May 13 #20
More VOTE Depressing polls. Cha May 13 #16
Do we ignore it, let it happen and not dig applegrove May 13 #17
I'm not at all optimistic, but Biden made the decision to run again. Nothing to do but support him and hope Alhena May 13 #19
Regardless of any admiration that some Democrats may have for DemocraticPatriot May 13 #22
Simple explanation, the polling data is being skewed where Biden is concerned. lees1975 May 14 #23
This polls is faulty videohead5 May 14 #25
Its not what we think its what the independents think Tribetime May 14 #26
I guess that will generate clicks. nt -misanthroptimist May 14 #27
Lol DarthDem May 14 #28

DemocratInPa

(402 posts)
10. People want to ignore this, but...
Mon May 13, 2024, 04:08 PM
May 13

As much as we love Joe, his last approval rating was 38.1%
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

This is a race that will come down to turnout, which is why I worry.

shrike3

(4,011 posts)
12. I'm speaking strictly about the Israel-Hamas war.
Mon May 13, 2024, 04:11 PM
May 13

In the real world, beyond political types, there is more concern over gas and grocery prices.

kelly1mm

(4,750 posts)
14. Turnout in certain states. Clinton made IMO an ultimately fatal mistake in trying
Mon May 13, 2024, 08:50 PM
May 13

to drive up a national vote total win in the closing week of the 2016 campaign. AZ, WI, MI, PA, GA, NV are the prizes (I add in NC and NH) that matter. To campaign or spend time/money outside of those 8 states in the Presidential race would be foolish. (I am not saying the Senate and House campaigns should not also get some Biden/Harris love but the Presidential side should laser focus on the swing states).

shrike3

(4,011 posts)
4. Race is tighter when it comes to likely voters.
Mon May 13, 2024, 03:12 PM
May 13

In Michigan, Biden leads among likely voters by a point. In Pennsylvania, Trump leads by three. Interestingly, Biden leads by three in among RV in Wisconsin, but behind by 1 among LV. Make sense of that.

LeftInTX

(26,062 posts)
6. The LV RV is always off. It means, "I like Biden, but I probably won't bother to vote"
Mon May 13, 2024, 03:15 PM
May 13

We saw this with Obama.

AKA: Doesn't like him enough to go out of the way to vote. AKA: a non-voter. Every state is full of RVs who never vote.

shrike3

(4,011 posts)
7. I thought that's what it meant. Thanks for confirming.
Mon May 13, 2024, 03:37 PM
May 13

So, the state polls show what the national polls show. The race is tied.

I personally thought Arizona and Georgia wouldn't go blue again. My focus is the three blue wall states. If Biden wins them, he wins the EC. I'm sure his campaign has enough smart people who know this.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,578 posts)
18. Biden wins as long as he carries the Omaha Nebraska congressional district
Mon May 13, 2024, 10:41 PM
May 13

(Nebraska splits its electoral vote).

Otherwise, if he carries MI/WI/PA while losing all the more southern states (Georgia, Arizona, Nevada),
it would be a 269-269 tie, throwing it into the House of Representatives,
where each state would have one vote (determined by vote of the house delegations).

In such a case, where Republicans are almost certain to control more house delegations,
which is likely to continue,
they would certainly elect Donald Trump.

We better work the shit out of Omaha, as well as the northern 'blue wall' states!
(as well as a few other places, since President Biden has the money advantage:
North Carolina, as well as making some kind of fight in Texas and Florida)

DemocraticPatriot

(4,578 posts)
21. That slap hurt, Celerity! My cheek is red....
Mon May 13, 2024, 10:54 PM
May 13

of course every other part of my body is still blue.... lol

If President Biden can get one half of the percentage of the 'over-performance of Democratic candidates after Dobbs'---
(average of 8 percent overperformance by Democratic candidates, giving Biden 4%)
then we win enough of those states to win the presidential election,
just going by the numbers you post here...

I also have hope that the money advantage, and the vast advantage in state organization investment by the Biden campaign, will overcome any disadvantage in present 'polls' at this time---
and that any Democrats who may be "venting" rather than VOTING in recent polls,
will come home in the end!

pwb

(11,393 posts)
9. Did they forget to poll Women and the young?
Mon May 13, 2024, 04:01 PM
May 13

Did the pukes reinstate Roe V Wade?
Did they reverse on burning up the planet the young have to live on?
No. We are good everywhere this election. IMO.

DemocratInPa

(402 posts)
11. White Women are for Trump.. They were for him in 2020,
Mon May 13, 2024, 04:10 PM
May 13

and are again in 2024..

Biden will def get the young vote, but how much is the question. Alot of Gen Z are upset with him.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,578 posts)
20. But on the other hand, Biden is actually winning with the 65+ voters,
Mon May 13, 2024, 10:47 PM
May 13

the most reliable of all voters....

I guess they heard about Republican plans for Social Security, and they don't like it much...

That is finally as it SHOULD be (or according to *some polls* anyway!) lol

Alhena

(3,031 posts)
19. I'm not at all optimistic, but Biden made the decision to run again. Nothing to do but support him and hope
Mon May 13, 2024, 10:45 PM
May 13

the polls are wrong.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,578 posts)
22. Regardless of any admiration that some Democrats may have for
Mon May 13, 2024, 11:01 PM
May 13

the younger officeholders in the 'second tier',
EVERY POLL I've read about them (Newsome, Whitmer, Harris, whomever)
showed them losing to Donald Trump by double digits!

President Biden IS the strongest Democratic presidential candidate for this election!
(as the incumbent most often is)

He beat Donald Trump once, and he can do it again
(because he is a decent human being, which Donald Trump is NOT,
but I remain optimistic that the majority of the American people still ARE as well!)

lees1975

(3,985 posts)
23. Simple explanation, the polling data is being skewed where Biden is concerned.
Tue May 14, 2024, 12:00 AM
May 14

Not buying this load of bull. They're making stuff up as far as he is concerned. The media doesn't like him and they're pushing for the Democrats to nominate someone else.



videohead5

(2,211 posts)
25. This polls is faulty
Tue May 14, 2024, 12:24 AM
May 14

They have President Biden losing heavily Democratic districts. There is no way that he is losing Nevada by 12 points.

Tribetime

(4,806 posts)
26. Its not what we think its what the independents think
Tue May 14, 2024, 12:29 AM
May 14

And to say that inflation and Biden's age is not a concern is fooling yourself.

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