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Biden Underperforms Senate Democratic Candidates
May 13, 2024 at 7:41 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 144 Comments
https://politicalwire.com/2024/05/13/biden-underperforms-senate-democratic-candidates/
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Nate Cohn on this mornings new battleground polls that showed Donald Trump leading Joe Biden in five of six key states:
Whats more surprising is the U.S. Senate results. This is the first time weve asked about Senate races this year, and the Democratic candidates led in all four of the states we tested: Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona and Nevada.
Not only do Democrats lead, but they also seem to do so in an entirely customary way, with ordinary levels of support from young and nonwhite voters, even as Mr. Biden struggles at the top of the ticket
This level of crossover voting has been extremely rare in the last few years, but it was pretty common before 2020. In fact, these results remind me a lot of the 2016 presidential election, when Mr. Trump surged in white working-class areas, Hillary Clinton surged in college-educated areas, and yet the Senate and House results by county still mostly followed the pre-2016 pattern.
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BootinUp
(47,286 posts)365 days a year.
applegrove
(119,216 posts)Now it is GOP soup.
MOMFUDSKI
(5,956 posts)is not helping. It is a sticky wicket.
shrike3
(4,011 posts)Gas and food prices are a bigger concern.
DemocratInPa
(402 posts)As much as we love Joe, his last approval rating was 38.1%
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
This is a race that will come down to turnout, which is why I worry.
shrike3
(4,011 posts)In the real world, beyond political types, there is more concern over gas and grocery prices.
kelly1mm
(4,750 posts)to drive up a national vote total win in the closing week of the 2016 campaign. AZ, WI, MI, PA, GA, NV are the prizes (I add in NC and NH) that matter. To campaign or spend time/money outside of those 8 states in the Presidential race would be foolish. (I am not saying the Senate and House campaigns should not also get some Biden/Harris love but the Presidential side should laser focus on the swing states).
shrike3
(4,011 posts)In Michigan, Biden leads among likely voters by a point. In Pennsylvania, Trump leads by three. Interestingly, Biden leads by three in among RV in Wisconsin, but behind by 1 among LV. Make sense of that.
LeftInTX
(26,062 posts)We saw this with Obama.
AKA: Doesn't like him enough to go out of the way to vote. AKA: a non-voter. Every state is full of RVs who never vote.
shrike3
(4,011 posts)So, the state polls show what the national polls show. The race is tied.
I personally thought Arizona and Georgia wouldn't go blue again. My focus is the three blue wall states. If Biden wins them, he wins the EC. I'm sure his campaign has enough smart people who know this.
DemocraticPatriot
(4,578 posts)(Nebraska splits its electoral vote).
Otherwise, if he carries MI/WI/PA while losing all the more southern states (Georgia, Arizona, Nevada),
it would be a 269-269 tie, throwing it into the House of Representatives,
where each state would have one vote (determined by vote of the house delegations).
In such a case, where Republicans are almost certain to control more house delegations,
which is likely to continue,
they would certainly elect Donald Trump.
We better work the shit out of Omaha, as well as the northern 'blue wall' states!
(as well as a few other places, since President Biden has the money advantage:
North Carolina, as well as making some kind of fight in Texas and Florida)
shrike3
(4,011 posts)Celerity
(44,136 posts)DemocraticPatriot
(4,578 posts)of course every other part of my body is still blue.... lol
If President Biden can get one half of the percentage of the 'over-performance of Democratic candidates after Dobbs'---
(average of 8 percent overperformance by Democratic candidates, giving Biden 4%)
then we win enough of those states to win the presidential election,
just going by the numbers you post here...
I also have hope that the money advantage, and the vast advantage in state organization investment by the Biden campaign, will overcome any disadvantage in present 'polls' at this time---
and that any Democrats who may be "venting" rather than VOTING in recent polls,
will come home in the end!
pwb
(11,393 posts)Did the pukes reinstate Roe V Wade?
Did they reverse on burning up the planet the young have to live on?
No. We are good everywhere this election. IMO.
DemocratInPa
(402 posts)and are again in 2024..
Biden will def get the young vote, but how much is the question. Alot of Gen Z are upset with him.
pwb
(11,393 posts)Not the ones I know. Not one wants less freedom.
kelly1mm
(4,750 posts)DemocraticPatriot
(4,578 posts)the most reliable of all voters....
I guess they heard about Republican plans for Social Security, and they don't like it much...
That is finally as it SHOULD be (or according to *some polls* anyway!) lol
Cha
(298,644 posts)applegrove
(119,216 posts)deeper? What do we do when information comes in?
Alhena
(3,031 posts)the polls are wrong.
DemocraticPatriot
(4,578 posts)the younger officeholders in the 'second tier',
EVERY POLL I've read about them (Newsome, Whitmer, Harris, whomever)
showed them losing to Donald Trump by double digits!
President Biden IS the strongest Democratic presidential candidate for this election!
(as the incumbent most often is)
He beat Donald Trump once, and he can do it again
(because he is a decent human being, which Donald Trump is NOT,
but I remain optimistic that the majority of the American people still ARE as well!)
lees1975
(3,985 posts)Not buying this load of bull. They're making stuff up as far as he is concerned. The media doesn't like him and they're pushing for the Democrats to nominate someone else.
videohead5
(2,211 posts)They have President Biden losing heavily Democratic districts. There is no way that he is losing Nevada by 12 points.
Tribetime
(4,806 posts)And to say that inflation and Biden's age is not a concern is fooling yourself.
-misanthroptimist
(851 posts)DarthDem
(5,260 posts)So dumb. Never change, NYT.