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peggysue2

(10,914 posts)
Sun May 19, 2024, 12:11 PM May 19

Broken Brain Syndrome

I've seen this before.

Though I don't think Donald Trump's latest rally mishap was a McConnell-like freeze, Trump is definitely having increasing dementia problems. As one of the doctors from the Duty to Warn Coalition has noted, Donald Trump's brain is broken. His mental capacity is a mere shadow of what it was in 2016 and his cognitive functions are seriously impaired.

My father went through this as did my sister. You can have plateaus during the early stages of the disease where function evens out and a patient has moments of clarity. But as the disease progresses (and it always progresses), those moments become infrequent, and then disappear altogether.

Trump is very close to the abyss.

Stress worsens the symptoms and I truly believe that's what we're witnessing. Falling asleep in the courtroom is a good example of advanced dementia-related behavior. My father would sleep a lot during the day, and then be on the prowl throughout the night.

Sound familiar?

All the language glitches and slurs, the language of violence and paranoia? It's all part of it as the brain damage worsens. Even his body movement--that forward tilt, the leg dragging could be attributed to his neurological decline.

I recall watching my father as he went through this process comparing him to a diver. In the early stages, he would dive beneath the water and resurface, sputtering, making excuses, citing reasons for a poor or unexpected dive. As time went on, his inability to resurface entirely or even make reasonable excuses/explanations became painfully clear. Weirdly enough, my youngest son was having his own struggles after a traumatic brain injury. He started deeply submerged beneath the water, then slowly--in fits and starts--resurfaced, sometimes briefly, then permanently (but with what the medical community refers to as 'deficits').

I watched the whole process in reverse.

Agent Orange is at the point where normal families would seek care and medical advice.

None of this is normal. Not the man, the family, not his frenzied supporters (who are willfully blind to the evidence) and certainly not his enablers, those eager to use Trump as their vehicle to raw power.

Trump's brain is broken. We see it every day and will continue to see it in evermore harrowing dimensions because this is who the GOP is pushing to occupy the Oval Office.

Donald Trump has thus far outrun accountability. But he cannot, will not outrun this disease process.

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Broken Brain Syndrome (Original Post) peggysue2 May 19 OP
RSO rso May 19 #1
It very well could, rso peggysue2 May 19 #4
After the convention, hopefully COL Mustard May 19 #14
You can bet your sweet bippy DENVERPOPS May 19 #26
Agree with this. The rethugs are always plotting. I've been amazed at how they've all fallen in behind him captain queeg May 19 #30
The major plotting DENVERPOPS May 19 #38
Back when those clowns talked about the Axis of Evil in the Middle East captain queeg May 19 #40
Back when Cheney DENVERPOPS May 19 #43
Paul Wolfowitz perhaps? PatSeg May 20 #75
Have to ask Arthur_Frain May 20 #85
TY peggysue2 and I am sorry for what has personally transpired for you. GreenWave May 19 #2
Thanks for that, GreenWave peggysue2 May 19 #5
It does make sense, PS Two DENVERPOPS May 19 #45
At best 16% of those that voted in 2020 are likely magas LiberalFighter May 19 #33
The symptoms are obvious. Business leaders should be worried lindysalsagal May 19 #3
I'm guessing that they won't let trump near the levers of power erronis May 19 #6
The problem with this plan Farmer-Rick May 20 #74
Business leaders should be worried peggysue2 May 19 #7
The Allies bombed German businesses to smithereens. Irish_Dem May 19 #11
Yes they did, Irish peggysue2 May 19 #49
Yes. German industry put Hitler into power and kept him there. Irish_Dem May 19 #53
We (The Entente) also bombed Kaiser's Germany to smitherenes. Helped give rise to Hitler erronis May 20 #78
Business leaders are fools. Trump will screw them over the second he is in the WH. Irish_Dem May 19 #9
Michael Cohen has predicted exactly that peggysue2 May 19 #50
Most fascist leaders do this. Irish_Dem May 19 #52
what parts of our patrimony will he sell off? mopinko May 20 #69
As much as he can. Lock, stock, and proverbial barrel. Irish_Dem May 20 #70
They think that they can use him Orrex May 19 #28
Quite the contrary DENVERPOPS May 19 #46
Maybe not this time. Irish_Dem May 20 #71
Yea, ID, DENVERPOPS May 20 #81
Thoughts: Irish_Dem May 20 #83
No, ID THANK YOU DENVERPOPS May 20 #84
It is a bi-directional process. Irish_Dem May 20 #86
We will see first evidence when he does the debate with President Biden in June kimbutgar May 19 #8
I agree whole-heartedly, kimbutgar peggysue2 May 19 #15
Right. birdographer May 19 #20
He is like a fart in a skillet Captain Zero May 20 #67
They will "wire" him with a bug DENVERPOPS May 19 #47
Until he goes what did you say? Or say that again out of context kimbutgar May 19 #59
My question is WHO will be manipulating him and actually have the power if he wins. mackdaddy May 19 #10
Kushner, Ivanka, Melania, other Trump loyalists. Irish_Dem May 19 #12
Lara, would be my bet. intheflow May 20 #66
Not eligible - no penis. k55f5r May 20 #73
But blonde and willing to do anything for her male puppet masters. intheflow May 20 #80
I suspect that all the wanna-be clowns/cheerleaders at the NYC court this week . . . peggysue2 May 19 #17
Steven Miller. Goebbels 2.0 himself. haele May 20 #79
He is under so much stress, can he last to the end of summer Irish_Dem May 19 #13
The more he is under pressure the better LiberalFighter May 19 #35
Yes that is why Biden keeps taunting and needling Trump. Irish_Dem May 19 #37
Biden also has something TSF doesn't have yet. LiberalFighter May 19 #41
Biden also has a strong ground game and a huge war chest. Irish_Dem May 19 #42
Do you realize DENVERPOPS May 19 #48
The US has been an oligarchy for quite some time. Irish_Dem May 19 #51
True DENVERPOPS May 19 #58
Yes we do not know how this will end. Irish_Dem May 19 #60
Of course they will DENVERPOPS May 19 #62
The best sociopaths make the law, not break it. Irish_Dem May 19 #63
Perfectly said ID nc DENVERPOPS May 19 #64
He could stand at a podium, Mr.Bill May 19 #16
And yet, Trump's enablers insisted Biden was on stimulants during the SOTU peggysue2 May 19 #19
I know for a fact he watched at least part of it. Mr.Bill May 19 #21
Tell him that is okay to admit being wrong. LiberalFighter May 19 #39
I tell him that. Mr.Bill May 19 #61
'Glitched out': Internet erupts as Trump 'blacks out for a beautiful 2 minutes' at NRA event republianmushroom May 19 #18
As much as LPBBEAR May 19 #22
I agree. Confirmation bias is distorting what people "see" in that event. TheRickles May 19 #32
All those word displacements are now common for Trump peggysue2 May 19 #24
I've seen it too with my mother. Phoenix61 May 19 #23
UTI's are particularly bad for dementia patients peggysue2 May 19 #27
Mom passed in 2018 from complications from a broken hip. Phoenix61 May 19 #29
I'm with you there, Phoenix peggysue2 May 19 #55
As you describe it, wow FirstLight May 19 #25
Mr. "I know words. I have the best words," has been messing up... 3catwoman3 May 19 #31
K & R malaise May 19 #34
It seems like dementia is more common these days. At least I used to know hardly anyone so affected captain queeg May 19 #36
Part of it might be you have a larger extended family now. LiberalFighter May 19 #44
It does seem as if dementia has become more common, captain q peggysue2 May 19 #57
Yeah my initial thought was we are living a lot longer. captain queeg May 19 #65
I touched on part of this weeks ago. The drugs they give dementia patients are for helping someone hang on and still brewens May 19 #54
I wouldn't be so quick to take the falling asleep in court as one of the signs of dementia... Silent3 May 19 #56
Agree. His handlers know he can't STFU and his temper, ego, insecurities ALWAYS get the best of him & trigger him Attilatheblond May 20 #77
... Celerity May 20 #68
TFG's dementia is getting worse LetMyPeopleVote May 20 #72
3 weeks. I give this 3 weeks before a plunge to blathering and babbling. bucolic_frolic May 20 #76
Any one of his recent glitches could be easily explained if they were isolated events Torchlight May 20 #82

DENVERPOPS

(9,038 posts)
26. You can bet your sweet bippy
Sun May 19, 2024, 03:09 PM
May 19

The Republicans and Their wholly owned subsidiary, (The USSC) already has pre planned for this scenario of him being un-able to make it until the election. I am thinking, in fact, that the group of Republican "power's to be" have it all mapped out already.
Milking Trump for all he is worth, until the moment they can indeed kick him to the curb, and institute their preplanned actions immediately. I would guess they would try to install, via the USSC, a more palatable candidate, who could draw all the Republican women and all the moderate fence sitters to vote Republican.....

captain queeg

(10,508 posts)
30. Agree with this. The rethugs are always plotting. I've been amazed at how they've all fallen in behind him
Sun May 19, 2024, 03:28 PM
May 19

But then I realize they most certainly are ready for when he’s no longer useful to them.

DENVERPOPS

(9,038 posts)
38. The major plotting
Sun May 19, 2024, 04:07 PM
May 19

from the shadows began in 1979 When HWBush and cronies committed Treason to install Reagan in office. It was more than obvious that HW, Cheney, Rumsfeld were running the government for Reagan's eight years. Same for the next four years of HW's term in office.
He and his cronies really needed that four years to cover up all they had done in the previous eight years they had been running the country. There were over 100 members of the Reagan Administration that were charged/indicted for their corrupt and treasonous acts. Day one of HW's administration, he issued them all Pardons. (Sound familiar) Then many OF THOSE SAME INDIVIDUALS took over running the government during W's occupation of the White House. Cheney, Rummy, Pearle, Wolfowitz etc.
The Common person/denominator THROUGH OUT ALL OF THE 2-3 DECADES of things being done in the shadows was HWBush. HW, previous to the Reagan years, when he was VP, ..........WAS DIRECTOR OF THE CIA.......

I am amazed that no one has ever even discussed that incredible coincidence, and put 2 and 2 together...........

captain queeg

(10,508 posts)
40. Back when those clowns talked about the Axis of Evil in the Middle East
Sun May 19, 2024, 04:30 PM
May 19

I always said Cheney, Rumsfeld, and someone else was the real axis of evil. I can’t remember now who I said was the third, I don’t think it was Bush himself.

DENVERPOPS

(9,038 posts)
43. Back when Cheney
Sun May 19, 2024, 04:39 PM
May 19

mysteriously was able to get a heart transplant, it was (satire) reported that the surgeons were blown away when they removed his heart They said it was like nothing they had ever seen before........Solid Black, and as hard and cold as titanium..........

*Mysterious* heart transplant..........He was far over the age of being an eligible transplant candidate, his diet was in no way healthy, and some how he wasn't "added" to the bottom of the transplant eligibility list like everyone else, but was put on the top of the list for the next donated heart............

GreenWave

(7,089 posts)
2. TY peggysue2 and I am sorry for what has personally transpired for you.
Sun May 19, 2024, 12:37 PM
May 19

The shame is about 40% of American "adults" are so brainwashed with idiocy, they view the Orange Menace with awe.

peggysue2

(10,914 posts)
5. Thanks for that, GreenWave
Sun May 19, 2024, 12:57 PM
May 19

Yup, it was pretty hairy during the late 90's. My father and son were both going through serious brain events. Then the further shock of my baby sister dying of premature Alzheimer's in 2020. That really rocked me. But . . .

Such is life.

As for the continued Trump support? The cult label is the only thing that makes any sense. Sort of.

DENVERPOPS

(9,038 posts)
45. It does make sense, PS Two
Sun May 19, 2024, 04:44 PM
May 19

Psychiatrists across the nation have said that if one exclusively listens to FOX News and RW Radio....it effectively is the same as techniques used by NOR-COMS and Tyrant rantings to brainwash it's populations......No different than dissenters in Communist controlled nations sent to "re-education" camps to be subjected to daily & nightly propoganda 24/7 for months on end......

LiberalFighter

(51,943 posts)
33. At best 16% of those that voted in 2020 are likely magas
Sun May 19, 2024, 03:43 PM
May 19

The other 30% are the remaining Trump voters. Some of them will peel off.

More will peel off in swing states than red states.

erronis

(15,711 posts)
6. I'm guessing that they won't let trump near the levers of power
Sun May 19, 2024, 01:00 PM
May 19

He's just useful for getting their Project 2025 crowd in the front door so they can dismantle the state.

Keep him alive and propped up until election day.

Farmer-Rick

(10,314 posts)
74. The problem with this plan
Mon May 20, 2024, 10:42 AM
May 20

Is Trump is unpredictable, he'll do anything if he thinks it will get him money or praise and he's very easily manipulated.

So, if Putin talks to him, he does what Putin says. If Jared talks to him, he does what Jared says. They can't surround him all the time.

Also he may just decide one night to take off his clothes and go wondering down the street. If he's paranoid, he would easily give the slip to his SS.

But I agree with you they have a plan for when the Stinking Nazi finally goes completely off, but like their other failed plans, it's not going to work.

peggysue2

(10,914 posts)
7. Business leaders should be worried
Sun May 19, 2024, 01:02 PM
May 19

Yet in large part they're embracing the chaos. Guess we shouldn't be surprised. Many industrialists and financiers, professionals of all sorts embraced Hitler's rise and dive into fascism. They thought they would benefit and could control the German 'clown'.

They were tragically wrong.

peggysue2

(10,914 posts)
49. Yes they did, Irish
Sun May 19, 2024, 05:04 PM
May 19

Because those industries and industrial centers were complicit in Hitler's hideous governance and policies. The industrial leaders kept Hitler in power and prolonged the war and the whole obscene mess.

They deserved to be blown to smithereens.

The Germans were ultimately schooled about the indecent excesses of fascism; they learned in the most terrible way.

The fact that a swath of Americans would entertain a repeat is positively chilling.

We cannot let that happen.

Irish_Dem

(49,832 posts)
53. Yes. German industry put Hitler into power and kept him there.
Sun May 19, 2024, 05:18 PM
May 19

They reaped what they had sown.

Yes the entire German populace had a steep learning curve.
A very painful lesson.

Americans may get their own steep learning curve if they vote Trump into power again.

erronis

(15,711 posts)
78. We (The Entente) also bombed Kaiser's Germany to smitherenes. Helped give rise to Hitler
Mon May 20, 2024, 12:27 PM
May 20

Not sure that the powers-that-be who want to take control of a country think much about the welfare of the population or even the country.

Was just reading Timothy Snyder's Bloodlands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodlands) about what Hitler and Stalin did to most of Europe. Damn depressing.

Irish_Dem

(49,832 posts)
9. Business leaders are fools. Trump will screw them over the second he is in the WH.
Sun May 19, 2024, 01:41 PM
May 19

He will demand a cut of their profits.

peggysue2

(10,914 posts)
50. Michael Cohen has predicted exactly that
Sun May 19, 2024, 05:12 PM
May 19

Cohen has said that if Trump were to take power again, he would immediately demand the Titans of Industry fork over a sizable portion of their wealth. The forced donations would go right into Trump's pocket and those of his most trusted sycophants.

The Putin Way.

One way of depleting the billionaire population. LOL. And what a shock treatment that would be!

Irish_Dem

(49,832 posts)
52. Most fascist leaders do this.
Sun May 19, 2024, 05:16 PM
May 19

They brown nose the billionaires to get into power.
Once in power they demand a cut of their profits and control over their businesses.
And you know what happens if they say no.

mopinko

(70,599 posts)
69. what parts of our patrimony will he sell off?
Mon May 20, 2024, 07:53 AM
May 20

national parks? oil and gas lands? the washington monument?
i’m hoping he has to sell mara lardo 1st.

Irish_Dem

(49,832 posts)
70. As much as he can. Lock, stock, and proverbial barrel.
Mon May 20, 2024, 08:13 AM
May 20

Some rich Russian oligarch probably already owns MAL.

Orrex

(63,379 posts)
28. They think that they can use him
Sun May 19, 2024, 03:11 PM
May 19

They're betting that if they flatter him and make him feel like a king, then he'll hand them the keys to the treasure.

I wish that there were any reason to think that they're mistaken.

DENVERPOPS

(9,038 posts)
46. Quite the contrary
Sun May 19, 2024, 04:45 PM
May 19

Fascist Corporations got away with anything and everything while he was in office........

Irish_Dem

(49,832 posts)
71. Maybe not this time.
Mon May 20, 2024, 08:15 AM
May 20

Trump will demand some of their profits if he is back in the WH.
He has learned even more about screwing over everyone.

DENVERPOPS

(9,038 posts)
81. Yea, ID,
Mon May 20, 2024, 02:19 PM
May 20

You are most likely correct.........

I would think, that the Republican Party likes all that he has done to get them to this place, but doesn't like him ???????

Maybe they will force him to run with some candidate THEY choose as VP, then when they get Trump elected, (by hook or by crook), they will get Trump thrown out, so the person who is his VP will get in, and that person can appoint a new VP. ?????????

Clearly, The only reason that the Republicans have anything to do with Trump, is his massive collection of followers/voters. AND they are frightened to Death to do anything that will alienate them. However, after the next election, if they can install an authoritarian government, they won't need those or any voters for any future elections and will throw all of them under the bus......

No one is watching the work the Repubs are doing, (regarding their skullduggery ) in the U.S. Senate & U.S. House elections. Of course the 95+% Republican owned and operated U.S. Media is helping immensely.

I am thinking more and more every day about November 5th and 6th.........I TRULY BELIEVE, we will all witness something worse than ever seen before in the entire history of our beloved country........

As I sat and watched the entire J6th sedition taking place, I watched it unfold in horror. I had also watched Trump bloviating earlier, and watched him intentionally stirring up the crowd to violently go forth........

I have been watching the Republicans, and screaming my head off, starting a month before the Carter/Reagan election......

If I wrote about the last 40+ years, it would look like the good old day's multi volume encyclopedia Brittanica, volume after volume of different time periods starting in October of '79.

I would aptly title the collection: WHILE THE NATION SLEPT

Irish Dem, I truly enjoy and thank you for our back and forth.........and thx for your thinking and inputs....


Irish_Dem

(49,832 posts)
83. Thoughts:
Mon May 20, 2024, 03:29 PM
May 20

Trump is playing by the fascist handbook now. Typically the fascist uses oligarchs (the wealthy and powerful) to rise to power. Once in power the fascist dictator demands a cut of their profits on a regular basis. Any complaints will be met harshly.

I would think, that the Republican Party likes all that he has done to get them to this place, but doesn't like him ??????? Maybe they will force him to run with some candidate THEY choose as VP, then when they get Trump elected, (by hook or by crook), they will get Trump thrown out, so the person who is his VP will get in, and that person can appoint a new VP. ?????????


Yes I am sure that Trump's handlers, minders and benefactors see him as quite unlikeable and difficult. Trump is a loose cannon and keeping him on script can be a challenge. Luckily he is easily manipulated with flattery and money.

But yes as his mental illness and dementia get worse, he may become a liability.

I think it is 100% certain that Putin will have a hand in picking Trump's VP. We already know he helped pick out Pence. Paul Manafort is a Russian asset who worked directly with the Kremlin to get Trump installed into th WH. Manafort is the one who picked out Pence for Trump's VP.


Clearly, The only reason that the Republicans have anything to do with Trump, is his massive collection of followers/voters. AND they are frightened to Death to do anything that will alienate them. However, after the next election, if they can install an authoritarian government, they won't need those or any voters for any future elections and will throw all of them under the bus......



Yes this is correct. A working voting system is no longer needed. The democratic process was no longer working for the GOP.

No one is watching the work the Repubs are doing, (regarding their skullduggery ) in the U.S. Senate & U.S. House elections. Of course the 95+% Republican owned and operated U.S. Media is helping immensely.


I know that Marc Elias, Democracy Docket, is a Washington DC based attorney who monitors the elections the best he can. I don't know how much he can do.


I am thinking more and more every day about November 5th and 6th.........I TRULY BELIEVE, we will all witness something worse than ever seen before in the entire history of our beloved country........


Yes we have to face the possibility that the MAGAs, Russia and China will pull out all the stops to get what they want.

As I sat and watched the entire J6th sedition taking place, I watched it unfold in horror. I had also watched Trump bloviating earlier, and watched him intentionally stirring up the crowd to violently go forth........


I know I was horrified and shocked. No one stopped the insurrectionists. And then they strolled away to their cars without a care in the world. It was unbelievable.

I have been watching the Republicans, and screaming my head off, starting a month before the Carter/Reagan election......


Yes that election was a shocker. We knew Reagan would be bad, very bad. And we were right.

If I wrote about the last 40+ years, it would look like the good old day's multi volume encyclopedia Brittanica, volume after volume of different time periods starting in October of '79.

I would aptly title the collection: WHILE THE NATION SLEPT


A very sad encyclopedia. Societies rise and fall. We ride the tide of history like everyone else, like it or not.

Irish Dem, I truly enjoy and thank you for our back and forth.........and thx for your thinking and inputs....


Same here Denverpops. Thank you for the dialogue and ideas/input.

DENVERPOPS

(9,038 posts)
84. No, ID THANK YOU
Mon May 20, 2024, 03:41 PM
May 20

I love your intelligent, well spoken feedback..............your comments stimulate my thinking and knowledge.....
Please keep it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Irish_Dem

(49,832 posts)
86. It is a bi-directional process.
Mon May 20, 2024, 03:59 PM
May 20

My thoughts and comments get better with the interaction.

I work on a number of research projects and have always done it solo, by myself.
I do good work on my own.

But I find that it is all kicked up significantly when I work within a group of intelligent
and thoughtful people. It keeps me on my toes and makes me look at factors I may have missed.
I usually learn something even from the posts I don't agree with.

But it is always a treat to find kindred spirits who see the world the same way I do.
Which admittedly is out of the mainstream most of the time.

kimbutgar

(21,379 posts)
8. We will see first evidence when he does the debate with President Biden in June
Sun May 19, 2024, 01:32 PM
May 19

I doubt he will be able to cognitively be able to handle this debate.

I also saw my Mother go down with dementia and remember her forgetting to pay bills, repeating the same things over and over and then talking only briefly and going silent and mute. Tuesday will be 8 years my Mother died. I was able to keep her in her home with nice caregivers. But I see some of the same stuff in the orange monster going on now dementia wise.

peggysue2

(10,914 posts)
15. I agree whole-heartedly, kimbutgar
Sun May 19, 2024, 01:50 PM
May 19

Last edited Mon May 20, 2024, 09:11 AM - Edit history (1)

Those of us who have seen dementia up close and personal? The symptoms are all too evident.

And yes, if Trump participates in the debate(s), he will be fully exposed. Which is why I believe he'll break the deal.

He and his enablers already have regrets accepting Biden's offer. So far, Trump has announced he (unilaterally) accepted a debate date from Fox in October. And then yesterday, he bellowed his demands that Biden drug test before any debate.

I expect the lame excuses to continue and eventually he'll officially renege.

Because that's what the man does.

birdographer

(1,415 posts)
20. Right.
Sun May 19, 2024, 02:37 PM
May 19

I think the main problem will be that he will not have an audience of worshippers egging him on. He needs that validation. Secondary point is no teleprompter. He will know the topics, but we know he can't stay on point for more than 30 seconds without breaking away to talk about windmills and the 2020 election and this time he can whine some more about being freezing in the courtroom and maybe spend a moment on the late great Hannibal Lector. He will spend is allotted time spewing gibberish.

Having said that, there is no way he will be at that debate. And his minions will find a way to make that Biden's fault. And his moron cult members will spread that for weeks. With massive good luck he will either fall into the abyss or stroke out before November.

DENVERPOPS

(9,038 posts)
47. They will "wire" him with a bug
Sun May 19, 2024, 04:47 PM
May 19

just like they did with "W" for the debates, and every reply will be transmitted for him to repeat verbatim.....

mackdaddy

(1,542 posts)
10. My question is WHO will be manipulating him and actually have the power if he wins.
Sun May 19, 2024, 01:41 PM
May 19

I don't think he has a great chance, but 2016 is still shocking.

Reagan was apparently in a serious decline for a least his last three years in office. Apparently VP Bush Sr. and Nancy pretty much took over and were running the white house then.

I think that there is a good chance Trump will stroke out before the election. Not sure who they well have take over then. Biden is doing a fabulous job as an administrator and leader of his White House team. But Mainstream Medial loves to cause a horse race when there is none.

intheflow

(28,544 posts)
80. But blonde and willing to do anything for her male puppet masters.
Mon May 20, 2024, 01:00 PM
May 20

They want claim they’re not sexist, that would s actually work on some portion of the electorate. Of course, soon after the election, she would “accidentally” fall down some stairs and whatever white man VP she has would be elevated to Supreme Commander.

peggysue2

(10,914 posts)
17. I suspect that all the wanna-be clowns/cheerleaders at the NYC court this week . . .
Sun May 19, 2024, 02:15 PM
May 19

See a chance to grab power when the King starts falling apart.

It's part of the treasonous plan.

haele

(12,735 posts)
79. Steven Miller. Goebbels 2.0 himself.
Mon May 20, 2024, 12:28 PM
May 20

He and Meadows were "coordinating" inputs to Trump behind the scenes before, and though Meadows appears to be out of the picture, Miller is not.

Haele

LiberalFighter

(51,943 posts)
41. Biden also has something TSF doesn't have yet.
Sun May 19, 2024, 04:32 PM
May 19

A running mate. Kamala Harris is out there campaigning. While TSF is stuck in Manhattan or Florida he doesn't have anyone going to rallies.

DENVERPOPS

(9,038 posts)
48. Do you realize
Sun May 19, 2024, 04:58 PM
May 19

that due to *CITIZENS UNITED", any of the number of Republican Billionaires and other countries Oligarch Billionaires can make ONE donation that would overwhelm any and all Dem Donor's contributions????????
Countless Corporations in the U.S. and worldwide, could justify to their stock holders donating a Billion bucks to Trump's campaign considering what Trump HAS already done, and WILL DO for their bottom lines??????????
Especially considering that any person's or corporation's identity no longer has to be disclosed????????

Just look at the Russian Oligarchs/Putin that laundered hundreds of millions of dollars, through the NRA, to funnel vast financial resources to Republican Candidates during the 2016 election.............including a vast number of Republican Senator's campaigns...

DENVERPOPS

(9,038 posts)
58. True
Sun May 19, 2024, 06:09 PM
May 19

but not to THIS extent.......growing more and more outspoken starting with Reagan, WBush, and then the grand Hurrah....Donald Trump.

some french guy? back in the 1700's when our forefathers were first starting this democracy stated:

"Democracy will work until some individuals or groups realize that they can vote themselves power and money."...

And Here We Are, Folks.................one millimeter away from a Corporate Fascist Tyranny........

Irish_Dem

(49,832 posts)
60. Yes we do not know how this will end.
Sun May 19, 2024, 06:16 PM
May 19

The billionaires have aligned with the PutinGOP.
They are determined to be on the side of autocracy.

DENVERPOPS

(9,038 posts)
62. Of course they will
Sun May 19, 2024, 06:24 PM
May 19

along with every Corporation and their shareholders across the nation......

Before I left the Corporate world, I observed many CEO's and their Top executives and seriously wondered if in fact they were actually psychopaths, legally masquerading as Corporate Executives to be able to exist in society, and wondered how many would, if not for that fact, be in prison or dead as normal citizens.......definitely not LOL

Irish_Dem

(49,832 posts)
63. The best sociopaths make the law, not break it.
Sun May 19, 2024, 06:32 PM
May 19

I would put corporate CEOs in that category as well.

We are becoming like Russia.
A country of mobsters.

Mr.Bill

(24,438 posts)
16. He could stand at a podium,
Sun May 19, 2024, 02:01 PM
May 19

pull down his pants and pee all over himself and they would still vote for him. I have a relative who voted for him twice. I asked him if he watched Biden's State of the Union address and he said it was a complete disaster. He said Biden didn't even know where he was at and couldn't complete a sentence during the entire speech. That's what we're up against. If Trump died tomorrow the day before the election the polls would show him beating Biden by three points.

peggysue2

(10,914 posts)
19. And yet, Trump's enablers insisted Biden was on stimulants during the SOTU
Sun May 19, 2024, 02:32 PM
May 19

The enablers know what's up but they need to keep feeding the MAGA loyalists and True Believers a continuous diet of lies, projection and gas- lighting explanations. Anything less would break the trance and make the whole enterprise begin to wobble.

I have a cousin (husband as well) who is a die-hard Trumper. Her facebook entries shout out every conspiracy theory imaginable. It's truly shocking what people will buy into, the way they'll twist themselves into pretzels to defend the indefensible.

I wonder if your relative actually listened to the speech or merely relied on right-wing facebook entries, influencers and/or Fox News? I suspect that's the case with my cousin who's been marinated in far-right outrage and crazy talk.

Mr.Bill

(24,438 posts)
21. I know for a fact he watched at least part of it.
Sun May 19, 2024, 02:40 PM
May 19

I think it's just his defense mechanism for keeping me from having a meaningful discussion with him about it. Every time the subject of Biden comes up, he immediately says he is senile, doesn't know where he is and staggers around the white house bumping into walls all day. He's an otherwise intelligent person and runs a successful business. I just think he doesen't want to talk about it and admit he was wrong.

LiberalFighter

(51,943 posts)
39. Tell him that is okay to admit being wrong.
Sun May 19, 2024, 04:21 PM
May 19

Tell him at that level of campaign the GOP hit certain key points that resonate with their targeted supporters. They will make claims that voters are not likely to confirm. And use fear.

LPBBEAR

(301 posts)
22. As much as
Sun May 19, 2024, 02:42 PM
May 19

I hate Trump and would enjoy seeing him doing an imitation of McConnell in front of a national audience that's not what happened in this incident.

It was just a clumsy attempt at being dramatic while waiting for the music to start.

I do hope that we get to see a "McConnell" moment soon and I hope millions are watching when it happens.

TheRickles

(2,132 posts)
32. I agree. Confirmation bias is distorting what people "see" in that event.
Sun May 19, 2024, 03:37 PM
May 19

Same with the podium tip, IMO. There are plenty of valid examples out there of his decline, but not these two.

peggysue2

(10,914 posts)
24. All those word displacements are now common for Trump
Sun May 19, 2024, 02:57 PM
May 19

The man's constantly confusing people and places, stumbling over pronunciations and grasping for certain words. He tries to correct himself, only to stumble once more, again and again and again.

This. Is. Not. Normal.

Joe Biden stumbles verbally but far less often and he's worked tirelessly to overcome a severe childhood stutter.

Though I didn't buy into the McConnell-like freeze description during this rally, I do believe Trump is getting worse and will continue to deteriorate.

It's not going to be pretty. But it is inevitable.

Phoenix61

(17,058 posts)
23. I've seen it too with my mother.
Sun May 19, 2024, 02:54 PM
May 19

I knew Trump had dementia the second I saw him use two hands pick up a glass of water and that was several years ago. IMHO he’s past the tipping point. One moderate illness, flu, Covid, UTI etc, and he’s toast. As one of my mom’s doctors said after a UTI that landed her in the hospital, people with dementia never get back to where they were before the illness.

peggysue2

(10,914 posts)
27. UTI's are particularly bad for dementia patients
Sun May 19, 2024, 03:10 PM
May 19

My sister contracted a severe UTI unbeknownst to her partner. She, too, landed in the hospital after which she spiraled straight down; the infection appeared to kickstart the bitter end note.

Six weeks later, she died.

It was shocking at the time but later I read it's not all unusual.

Sorry to read you're going through the same illness with your mom.

It's a terrible disease.

Phoenix61

(17,058 posts)
29. Mom passed in 2018 from complications from a broken hip.
Sun May 19, 2024, 03:23 PM
May 19

It is indeed a terrible disease. I’ve said I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy but I’ve made an except for Trump. It’s a fitting end for him.

peggysue2

(10,914 posts)
55. I'm with you there, Phoenix
Sun May 19, 2024, 05:21 PM
May 19

Because I've seen the disease process up close, my normal reaction is deep empathy.

Not for Donald Trump. The man has lived a selfish, amoral, greed-head life. He's hurt a lot of people.

The long-arm of Karma is now coming to get him. I will weep no tears.

FirstLight

(13,418 posts)
25. As you describe it, wow
Sun May 19, 2024, 03:01 PM
May 19

My Dad suffered dementia and stroke and had similar experiences 😞

We waited too long to take action my sister and I think looking back...

But Tfg and traveling and all the stress and his horrible diet and atrocious health...
If he keeled over at any point it wouldn't be a surprise

3catwoman3

(24,255 posts)
31. Mr. "I know words. I have the best words," has been messing up...
Sun May 19, 2024, 03:34 PM
May 19

…his words/pronunciation for quite some time.

He has a very limited repertoire, both in vocabulary and topics. He says the same old shit over, and over, and over.

And what the hell did that “I know words. I have the best words” boast even mean?

captain queeg

(10,508 posts)
36. It seems like dementia is more common these days. At least I used to know hardly anyone so affected
Sun May 19, 2024, 03:57 PM
May 19

Now all my brother in laws have or had something. Parkinson’s in the case of two of them (one has died). Another has early stage Alzheimer’s. Though unrelated my brother died of ALS. It just seems like a lot of mental type problems these days. It scares me to think about it. I don’t have any dementia in my nuclear family so that’s a relief, it does seem to be somewhat hereditary. I believe TFG has some family history? At any rate, I have the greatest sympathy for families of those who are affected (though I withhold my sympathy for the trump clan).

peggysue2

(10,914 posts)
57. It does seem as if dementia has become more common, captain q
Sun May 19, 2024, 05:48 PM
May 19

A lot of people attribute it to advanced aging in the population. In my family, however, my father was the first member to be diagnosed. No one in the family could remember stories of dementia in the grands or great-grand relatives. And the family had a longevity factor; my father's grandfather lived to be 99 in an era when that was unusual.

My father was the first (although he lasted until the age of 86). Then it hit my generation--my sister first (dead at 67), and then at her funeral I was informed one of my first cousins had been diagnosed at age 60.

So, I don't know if the pattern is familial, environmental or combination of factors. Out of a lingering concern I had my DNA tested several years ago. The DNA markers were fortunately not there. My husband and kids all sighed with relief. But for me? There's always that niggling thought that it could happen, it might happen, etc.

If the goddesses are kind, they'll let me exit in some far gentler, quicker way.

captain queeg

(10,508 posts)
65. Yeah my initial thought was we are living a lot longer.
Sun May 19, 2024, 07:42 PM
May 19

My aunts and uncles and grandparents all died fairly young. Most before they turned (there were a couple outliers) 70, but many were heavy smokers and drinkers. My theory is that it’s mostly environmental, including our diets.

brewens

(13,805 posts)
54. I touched on part of this weeks ago. The drugs they give dementia patients are for helping someone hang on and still
Sun May 19, 2024, 05:19 PM
May 19

have some quality of life. Hopefully they can communicate with their friends and family as long as possible. You don't give that shit to someone that should be campaigning for president. The side-effects are no picnic, and we might be seeing some of that.

https://www.alz.org/alzheimers-dementia/treatments/medications-for-memory

Silent3

(15,547 posts)
56. I wouldn't be so quick to take the falling asleep in court as one of the signs of dementia...
Sun May 19, 2024, 05:47 PM
May 19

...simply because (I admit I'm just speculating) Trump could very well be taking sedatives to reduce the chances of out-of-control angry outbursts during the proceedings.

Attilatheblond

(2,411 posts)
77. Agree. His handlers know he can't STFU and his temper, ego, insecurities ALWAYS get the best of him & trigger him
Mon May 20, 2024, 12:18 PM
May 20

Would bet money they have him at least somewhat sedated. Throw in his night owl lifestyle and 'executive time' until after 11 AM while he was in the White House, and you know it's physically demanding for him to be up, dressed, and in court by 9 AM. Just being subjected to rules he isn't in control of has to start a rage in him every morning. Then, to have to sit down and shut up while others tell the truth about him, well, sedation is surely required.

When his hoped for multitudes of MAGA disruptors failed to show up in NYC, and no family showed up in early days of the trial, he must have been in a total panic. Seems safe bet that he is up at night calling 'his troops' to back him up in the courtroom then say what he can't afterwards and you're gonna get one sleepy defendant in court. The dark of night always seems to be when he does his worst, a tell that the monster of fear gets to him when he has no audience to play to and order around. He needs that affirmation that he, alone, is in charge and the infant in him needs a lot of nannies to come when he cries in the dark of solitude.

Trump insisting on Biden being drug tested before any debate is pure projection. He knows he takes 'enhancing' drugs before he gets to a podium and so figures everybody does it. Also, he will use Biden not being tested for drugs as an excuse to refuse to debate the man he knows is his better.

Torchlight

(3,588 posts)
82. Any one of his recent glitches could be easily explained if they were isolated events
Mon May 20, 2024, 02:30 PM
May 20

But the fact his glitches are happening over and over again, at an ever increasing rate, and with ever increasingly odd behavior, speaks to me (at its best) of a man just not capable anymore of the stress, demands, and mental discipline the job requires, a guy who just doesn't have what it takes.

I get that his flock's orthodoxy will force them to deny it until they end of their days, but I'm wondering if this is the summer Joe Sixpack finally sees and acts on it (just idle wondering, not a prediction or even a guess).

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