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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCIA Claims Release of its History of the Bay of Pigs Debacle Would “Confuse the Public.”
Late last year, the Central Intelligence Agency explained to Judge Kessler of the US District Court in Washington DC that releasing the final volume of its three-decade-old history of the 1961 Bay of Pigs debacle would confuse the public, and should be withheld because it is a predecisional document. Wow. And I thought that I had heard them all.
On the 50th anniversary of the Bay of Pigs invasion, the National Security Archive filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit for the release of a five-volume CIA history of the Bay of Pigs affair. In response to the lawsuit, the CIA negotiated to release three volumes of the history the JFK Assassination Records Review Board had already released Volume III with limited redaction, currently available on the National Security Archives website. At the time, the Director of the National Security Archives Cuba Documentation project, Peter Kornbluh, quipped that getting historic documents released from the CIA was the bureaucratic equivalent of passing a kidney stone. He was right. The Agency refused to release the final volume of this history, and the National Security Archive is not giving up on the fight.
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Despite the claims of the CIAs chief historian David Robarge, the document should not remain in the CIA vaults because its conclusions could cause scholars, journalists, and others interested in the subject at hand to reach an erroneous or distorted view of the Agencys role. Historians, after all, are well trained in treating documents
http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/cia-claims-release-of-its-history-of-the-bay-of-pigs-debacle-would-confuse-the-public/
Justice wanted
(2,657 posts)HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)I'm not stupid, I can read and would recognise the names of the criminals involved.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Like 9/11 the truth there would confuse us also. Can't change history now, how would that look?
gateley
(62,683 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)made a convincing case that most "top secret" classifications are intended to hide horrific or embarrassing facts from the American people, not from anyone else, since all intelligence services are thoroughly infiltrated.
saras
(6,670 posts)The book Acid Dreams makes a pretty good case that "not knowing what the fuck they were doing" is a profound understatement.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)joshcryer
(62,287 posts)...rhetoric will be really obscure. Their irrational, fear mongering need to do the Bay of Pigs can only now be fully appreciated. Once the boomers die off then it will be a footnote somewhere.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)give us all the juicy facts. I tend to remember he did one years ago that were, as usual, eye opening.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)...to proceed, right to JFK's face. It's on the record, and too much public scrutiny may significantly decrease the treasonous bastards getting away with it.
The Cubans knew the time and place of invasion. And the United States knew they knew. Yet, JCS Chairman LEMNITZER and CIA Director DULLES knew Bay of Pigs Op was COMPROMISED, yet told President Kennedy their plan -- developed under Eisenhower and presumably for the Nixon madministration to come -- would work without the United States having to intervene militarily.
So, Castro knew the time and place for the attack. Knowing the plan was the compromised, let alone stupid from a military and political point of view, they failed to inform the President. How is that not treason?
Three MO' bits on JFK and the Bay of Pigs Thing...
Know your BFEE: At every turn, JFK was opposed by War Party
"Wasn't that, like, the Bay of Pigs Thing?"
JFK Would NEVER Have Fallen for Phony INTEL!
If it wasn't for JFK saying, "No," to the warmongering anticommunist paranoid greedheads, it's very possible none of us would be here now.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)I'm not confused .....LOL
Octafish
(55,745 posts)May it help those of us who remain confused about how secret government is un-American.
Sheesh. If I can learn how Capitalism's Invisible Army serves the 1-Percent, anybody can.
Answer: Those who profit from it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4779172&mesg_id=4779172
Solly Mack
(90,801 posts)DCKit
(18,541 posts)Bay of pigs, shmay of pigs. What were (are) you boys doing at Guantanimo?
Don't follow the bouncing ball folks.
gopiscrap
(23,768 posts)they just don't wat the public to rehash it's major fuck up
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Is that above or below TOP SECRET? I'm so confused.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)If the whole story ever came out and was compared to the official story, it will be confusing to those who accepted the official story wholesale.
I wonder if it mentions Zapata Oil?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)I mean, Manning's in the clink with 22 charges against him.
You'd think someone at the CIA would be adept, no?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)doing the hacking this time?
I mean, everyone here keeps claiming that what Manning stole didn't jeopardize any lives, and it was no big deal. You would think this information would be a big deal, and might jeopardize lives.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Of course, in the military mind, unshined boots are a worse offense than Haditha or My Lai.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)That he wasn't very competent at it is his own fault.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Ellsberg got caught. So, was he incompetent?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)It's not the 22 counts of whatever, it's the fact the "Apache tapes" demonstrate to the world how the United States government today regards innocent human life, let alone freedom of the press. That's as low as the NAZIs. And that's a truth that must be punished for telling.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)When he cops a plea, I hope you remember his integrity.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)...according to a Captain who came upon them.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8964543/Bradley-Manning-attacked-female-soldier-and-sent-picture-of-himself-as-a-woman.html
There's more to the story. Thanks for reminding me.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)I don't know why you think that article you linked to helps his case.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)He exposed the Bush regime as war criminals. His treatment since his arrest exposed corruption in the current admistration, too.
Here's a link to where this is heading, prosecution of Julian Assange:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/dec2011/mann-d24.shtml
Freedom of the press is disappearing in favor of secret government, which is the point of my links and this thread. Clear now?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)There's been a grand jury sitting in VA for quite a while.
Capitalocracy
(4,307 posts)How is this considered a legitimate reason to classify anything? Troop safety, public safety, diplomacy, these are supposed to be the only acceptable reasons to keep documents classified.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002266688
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)spanone
(135,937 posts)sce56
(4,828 posts)newspeak
(4,847 posts)we have other security organizations and the FBI. I mean we've got the bay of pigs fiasco, the gulf of tonkin fabrication, and how many DEMOCRATICALLY elected leaders have been purged, because they didn't represent the elite's business interests? I'd say american, but it seems that the majority of americans actually get burned, also. Vietnam, Iraq, el salvador, death squads, iran-contra, bcci and the horrendous, inhumane mind control experiments using americans. We inadvertently help fund their sordid games and die in their games. Yet, it seems not to help the US or its' people; but aid corporate interest or the MIC.
Capitalocracy
(4,307 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)"If we tell the truth, people will be confused because of all the lying we did prior, and we can't have that!"
T S Justly
(884 posts)As it is unnecessary for anything.
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Yup, that could be confusing to the official story line, indeed.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,558 posts)Thanks for the thread, Ichingcarpenter.
renie408
(9,854 posts)Right. The truth might confuse public now that they have been lying to us all this time. This is like something out of a Mel Brooks movie.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Can't have that.