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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 01:07 PM Feb 2012

Keystone XL opponents need a jobs program

Keystone XL opponents need a jobs program

By Jeremy Brecher and Brendan Smith

Opponents of the Keystone XL pipeline are taking a well-deserved victory lap. The Obama administration’s decision to reject TransCanada’s pipeline proposal — at least for now — represents an historic win for the environmental movement, and reveals the potency of the emerging alignment between the environmental, anti-corporate, Occupy, and other movements.

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But the Keystone campaign also exposed the perennial Achilles’ heel of those who are fighting against climate change: We are often painted by our opponents and perceived by the public as caring more about the environment than about jobs. In a press release titled “U.S. Chamber Calls Politically-Charged Decision to Deny Keystone a Job Killer,” the Chamber of Commerce said President Obama’s denial of the KXL permit was “sacrificing tens of thousands of good-paying American jobs in the short term, and many more than that in the long term.” And its messaging worked, with the media repeating the jobs vs. environment frame again and again. NPR’s headline was typical of many: “Pipeline Decision Pits Jobs Against Environment.”

This frame also resonated with the public....the promise of several thousand well-paying jobs represents a glimmer of hope in a dismal economy...Environmentalists often respond to charges that their policies are “job killers” with research demonstrating that investment in solar, wind, and other forms of renewable energy and conservation creates far more jobs than equivalent investment in fossil fuels. This is a well-documented fact, but a hypothetical future job doesn’t put food on an empty table today...There are a host of reasons to oppose the pipeline, from protecting native people in the tar-sands region to avoiding spills into a critical aquifer to preventing a catastrophic increase in climate-changing carbon emissions. But none of them will cut much ice with people who start from the assumption that jobs are simply more important right now than the environment.

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Where should those proposals come from? As the six labor unions that opposed the KXL pipeline permit pointed out, one source can be the jobs programs that Republican politicians are currently blocking in Congress, like the Restore the American Dream for the 99% Act, which would boost employment by almost 2.3 million jobs in 2012 and almost 3.1 million jobs in 2013; the extension of the Highway Trust Fund, which would create hundreds of thousands of jobs and provide for critical infrastructure repair; and initiatives to fund jobs for teachers, firefighters, and police. It’s time for the environmental movement to put the spotlight on the way climate-denying politicians are crying crocodile tears over a few hundred or thousand jobs while blocking millions of jobs unemployed American workers could be hired to do right now.

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http://grist.org/green-jobs/keystone-xl-opponents-need-a-jobs-program/


Health and safety first, that's the reason to kill the pipeline. Still, the piece makes a great point: Why ignore the jobs aspect of Keystone supporters argument? It's bogus and can be easily debunked.

Oil and Gas Jobs Increase by 75,000 Under Obama — 69,000 More Than Would Be Created By Keystone XL
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002186785

Whining that Keystone pipeline creates jobs?
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/1002184196


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Keystone XL opponents need a jobs program (Original Post) ProSense Feb 2012 OP
Kick! Another ProSense Feb 2012 #1
It can't be that hard to put people to work building wind turbines and solar panels... n/t backscatter712 Feb 2012 #2
Exactly what I was going to say... getting rid of the pipeline doesn't eliminate the need for energy Capitalocracy Feb 2012 #3
That's the thing ProSense Feb 2012 #5
There is no shortage of job initiatives proposed, begged and pleaded for, and ignored by DC TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #4
True, ProSense Feb 2012 #6
It's a long range jobs program. raouldukelives Feb 2012 #7

Capitalocracy

(4,307 posts)
3. Exactly what I was going to say... getting rid of the pipeline doesn't eliminate the need for energy
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 01:50 PM
Feb 2012

I'm sure if you said OK, instead of doing the pipeline, let's put together a green energy program that will produce the same amount of energy as the oil brought in through the pipeline, it would compete job for job. Actually, it might create more jobs... but then they'd complain about the cost.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
5. That's the thing
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 01:56 PM
Feb 2012
I'm sure if you said OK, instead of doing the pipeline, let's put together a green energy program that will produce the same amount of energy as the oil brought in through the pipeline, it would compete job for job. Actually, it might create more jobs... but then they'd complain about the cost.

...the job claims are bogus, but Republicans sold that meme hard. The proposals mentioned in the OP create up to millions of jobs.

Also, "Americans love clean energy."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002224648



TheKentuckian

(25,035 posts)
4. There is no shortage of job initiatives proposed, begged and pleaded for, and ignored by DC
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 01:54 PM
Feb 2012

The problem is those ideas for jobs do not fit either the anti-government nor the merger of state and corporation paradigms and as such are rejected by our "leaders" and our media/propaganda corps.

The only exceptions involve military adventures or prisons.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
6. True,
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 02:09 PM
Feb 2012

"There is no shortage of job initiatives proposed, begged and pleaded for, and ignored by DC"

...but that's only part of the problem addressed in the OP, which mentions a few such initiatives. The problem is countering the GOP's bogus narrative linking the pipeline to jobs. Republicans are pushing forward with this emboldened by polls showing approval.

Poll: Strong support for ‘Buffett Rule’ and Keystone XL pipeline
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/207645-poll-shows-strong-support-for-buffet-rule-and-keystone-pipeline

Republicans often do not need a reason to push their agenda, but why allow them to create a false perception?

This needs to be countered effectivly: emphasizing the health and safety risks, debunking the jobs claims and presenting proposals that create hundreds of thousands more jobs.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
7. It's a long range jobs program.
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 02:25 PM
Feb 2012

Ensuring that future generations have the ability to grow and eat food could potentially create millions upon millions of new jobs. I am of course assuming that these tomorrow people would enjoy the taste of fruits & vegetables over soylent green.
That said the Wall St plan would also entail the growth of other industries like corpse collectors and oxygen domes. All depends on where you want your kids to live.

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