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jmowreader

(50,601 posts)
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 03:26 AM Feb 2012

Someone explain something to me about Ron Paul

On Rep. Paul's campaign website he claims to be an OB/GYN who delivered over 4000 babies and never found it necessary to use abortion to save the life of the mother.

Ectopic pregnancy (embryo lodging itself in a fallopian tube, where it won't fit) is a life-threatening condition that's treated by abortion. The American Association of Family Physicians reports the incidence of ectopic pregnancy is 20 per 1000 pregnancies. If Paul's practice was average, he should have seen about 80 of these.

Then add in another few for things like Mrs. Santorum had, and over his career he probably handled 100 cases of pregnancies that needed to be terminated to preserve the life and/or health of the mother. How, exactly, did he take care of these women?

Did he perform the procedure and call it something else?
Refer the patient to a doctor who would do his job?
Or did he attempt to pray away the problem until the mother, in pain and scared for her life, went to a competent OB/GYN?

If you're an OB/GYN you are going to have to perform an occasional abortion to save someone's life. If your conscience forbids you from doing this, you really need to specialize in something else.

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Someone explain something to me about Ron Paul (Original Post) jmowreader Feb 2012 OP
HE'S LYING IN ORDER TO STAY "VIABLE" TO THE RIGHT.... Ecumenist Feb 2012 #1
Lying? Not Ronnie. They must've been performed without his knowledge... damyank913 Feb 2012 #5
At least half of them don't require medical intervention; they're called tubal abortions. Common Sense Party Feb 2012 #2
Even allowing for 40 "tubal abortions", there were at least 40 that wouldn't Ecumenist Feb 2012 #4
Link? PotatoChip Feb 2012 #7
Thank you for the accurate response! n/t etherealtruth Feb 2012 #10
Thanks PotatoChip Feb 2012 #11
That's where I had gone for my info. Common Sense Party Feb 2012 #14
. Common Sense Party Feb 2012 #13
Let 'em die on the table, maybe? MADem Feb 2012 #3
Or loose and fast madokie Feb 2012 #6
When he saw them, he probably pawned them off on some other doctor. baldguy Feb 2012 #8
His personal experience would not be statistically valid treestar Feb 2012 #9
If he's really against empire Mosaic Feb 2012 #12

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
1. HE'S LYING IN ORDER TO STAY "VIABLE" TO THE RIGHT....
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 03:37 AM
Feb 2012

I bet if someone could do a bit of looking at his records, they'd find more than a few interesting procedures. I wonder how many OBGYN's rolled their eyes at his statement?

damyank913

(787 posts)
5. Lying? Not Ronnie. They must've been performed without his knowledge...
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 09:54 AM
Feb 2012

You know-like the racist rants that appeared in his newsletter.

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
2. At least half of them don't require medical intervention; they're called tubal abortions.
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 03:40 AM
Feb 2012

The body just bleeds it out.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
4. Even allowing for 40 "tubal abortions", there were at least 40 that wouldn't
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 04:42 AM
Feb 2012

have resolved naturally. HE'S.LYING.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
7. Link?
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 10:54 AM
Feb 2012

If left untreated, tubal pregnancies result in ruptured tubal pregnancies. This is a very serious event that requires medical intervention. The woman does not just "bleed out" the embryo-- her fallopian tube has ruptured and she WILL bleed to death w/out emergency surgery to stop the hemorrhaging and blood transfusions to replace the lost blood. In summary, one way or another, a tubal pregnancy WILL require medical intervention. Therefore, I am at a loss to understand where this "half don't require medical interventions" statement is coming from.

I know of no other outcome (to medically untreated tubal pregnancies). Which your statement is specifically refering to. If you have other info, I'd love to see it.

The only caveat would be if both you and the OP are speaking of all ectopic pregnancies... In very rare instances, the embryo implants itself in places other then the fallopian tube or the uterus, in which case it may be possible for the the woman to "just" bleed out. But this is much more rare and even then, my guess is that some medical intervention may also be required.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
11. Thanks
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 11:22 AM
Feb 2012

but I may have been a little too hasty.

Upon further investigation, I found that the member I responded to was not entirely wrong here... well, according to wikipedia. Apparently some tubal pregnancies do resolve on their own. They somehow become 'unlodged' from the tube. I was previously unaware of that despite having done a lot of reading on the subject-- My sister almost died from a ruptured tubal pregnancy.

My bad. I could have deleted but will let the post stand.

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
14. That's where I had gone for my info.
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 07:01 PM
Feb 2012

I didn't know anything about it until I looked it up. Granted, wikipedia may not be an authoritative source.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
6. Or loose and fast
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 10:03 AM
Feb 2012

either way he's fucking lying his sorry ass off
Thats what I think and I'm sticking to it

Mosaic

(1,451 posts)
12. If he's really against empire
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 11:32 AM
Feb 2012

He needs to become a Progressive. None of this I'm a Christian only for certain things, and a racist hypocrite for others.

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