Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

niyad

(113,966 posts)
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 11:42 AM Feb 2012

ron paul, what exactly IS an "honest rape"?

Ron Paul, What Exactly Is An “Honest Rape?”

by Jessica Pieklo
. . . . .

I guess I would start by asking Paul to follow-up on just what exactly constitutes an “honest” rape. What kind of evidence would we need to show a lack of consent? Does a woman need to have signs she resisted? How much resistance counts before a rape goes from being “fraudulent” to being “honest”? Can spousal rape ever be “honest”? What about other forms of familial rape? What exactly is the bright line here?

Assuming we get some clarity from Paul on the parameters of “honest” rape, I’ve got a few logistical questions also. I’m assuming part of the investigation into whether or not a rape was “honest” would include an exam to collect evidence to support or negate the claim– a rape kit. We will need to have this evidence processed and processed QUICKLY in order to make sure we get that shot of estrogen in time. In order for that to happen, I’m assuming Paul is going to make sure that local law enforcement is fully funded and staffed to process those rape kits. How will this expansion of law enforcement be funded? And what about those women who don’t live in close proximity to a hospital or clinic? Do we have law enforcement come to them with doctors?

About that shot of estrogen. What exactly is this shot of estrogen supposed to do? Paul is purportedly an ob/gyn, so he must know a shot of estrogen won’t do a thing to prevent fertilization and implantation. So what’s that shot for?

I’m not sure what is the most dangerous aspect to come from Paul’s statements here: that is platform is built on a criminal disdain of women or as a doctor he doesn’t know his ear from his elbow

Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/ron-paul-what-exactly-is-an-honest-rap.html#ixzz1lWRFYXjL

23 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
ron paul, what exactly IS an "honest rape"? (Original Post) niyad Feb 2012 OP
It's honest when the guy pays for it Boombaby Feb 2012 #1
sadly, that sort of thinking still abounds niyad Feb 2012 #2
Ron Paul terrifies me. BlueIris Feb 2012 #3
you and me both. I have a couple of friends who are paulbots, and the only thing that matters to niyad Feb 2012 #5
Too many people are glossing over Paul's offensive craziness because he is "against the wars." BlueIris Feb 2012 #12
I have given up trying to point things out to the paulbots I know, but the man worries me no end. niyad Feb 2012 #14
My brother has that line of thinking. I've showed him tons of evidence from here proving he's wrong. Initech Feb 2012 #23
The rape victim is younger than 31,.... Vanje Feb 2012 #4
why 31? niyad Feb 2012 #6
....... Vanje Feb 2012 #7
I understand the upset at the comments in the other thread but... Spazito Feb 2012 #9
it really is kinda exactly relevant to what an honest rape is. that would be exactly what makes it seabeyond Feb 2012 #10
I have to disagree in that... Spazito Feb 2012 #17
and yet, there is no such legal category of rape niyad Feb 2012 #18
thank you--quite frankly, when I first read that comment, it made no sense to me. niyad Feb 2012 #13
An honest rape, biblically, is where the rapist must marry the raped. WingDinger Feb 2012 #8
only a patriarchal system could come up with something that insane niyad Feb 2012 #20
In addition to this, the focus on third trimester abortions is insane. Mass Feb 2012 #11
I thought it was against the law to get an abortion past 6 months, except to save life of mother. Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #15
facts don't matter to any of these woman-haters. and I don't imagine that piers person challenged niyad Feb 2012 #16
That's ProSense Feb 2012 #19
Rape is rape... Spazito Feb 2012 #21
I think you have him pretty well categorized. he makes me ill. niyad Feb 2012 #22

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
3. Ron Paul terrifies me.
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 12:44 PM
Feb 2012

If this person became president, I think he would actually beat out Bush as the. worst. ever. The last president. Scary.

niyad

(113,966 posts)
5. you and me both. I have a couple of friends who are paulbots, and the only thing that matters to
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 12:50 PM
Feb 2012

them is that he is, supposedly, a "constitutionalist" and "against the wars"..

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
12. Too many people are glossing over Paul's offensive craziness because he is "against the wars."
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 01:07 PM
Feb 2012

The wars aren't the only issue. I remain convinced that if he is installed in the office, he will finish this nation.

niyad

(113,966 posts)
14. I have given up trying to point things out to the paulbots I know, but the man worries me no end.
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 01:10 PM
Feb 2012

Initech

(100,150 posts)
23. My brother has that line of thinking. I've showed him tons of evidence from here proving he's wrong.
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 02:48 PM
Feb 2012

Including all the neo-Nazi charges against him and he still doesn't care - he wants Paul to win the primaries and debate Obama.

Vanje

(9,766 posts)
4. The rape victim is younger than 31,....
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 12:46 PM
Feb 2012

....and has never been to the rapists house?



(edit for spelling)

Spazito

(50,629 posts)
9. I understand the upset at the comments in the other thread but...
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 12:57 PM
Feb 2012

by inserting the reference into other threads about rape hijacks good threads about the crime of rape, imo, and turns the discussion from the abhorrent crime into a discussion about those comments instead.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
10. it really is kinda exactly relevant to what an honest rape is. that would be exactly what makes it
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 12:59 PM
Feb 2012

a dishonest rape....

per a lot of people and some on du.

Spazito

(50,629 posts)
17. I have to disagree in that...
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 01:13 PM
Feb 2012

it changes the discussion focus into a debate about another thread and actually hurts the point that has been made wrt the comments in the other thread.

I have seen the reference to the other thread being made in at least one other rape OP and it sidetracked the discussion from the obscene rape issue in the thread to what the poster in the other thread meant or didn't mean.

If someone in this thread were to go 'there' in their opinion of what constitutes "honest rape" then I could readily see the point being raised. So far, I cannot see anyone going 'there' in this thread.

I am sure that dilution of the discussion on the obscene and violent crime of rape is not the intent of anyone who brings the other thread's comments to threads like this one but it seems to affect it that way to some degree.

Ironically, here we are being sidetracked into debating the other thread's comments and how they are or are not pertinent to this thread.





Mass

(27,315 posts)
11. In addition to this, the focus on third trimester abortions is insane.
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 01:01 PM
Feb 2012

90 % of abortions are first trimester abortions.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/04/ron-paul-tells-piers-morgan-only-honest-rape-merits-abortion/


He claimed, however, that if a woman is “seven months pregnant” and says that she was raped, “It’s a little bit of a different story.”


All these right-wingers use these straw-men arguments to justify their disdain for women. F*ck them. starting by this zealot.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
15. I thought it was against the law to get an abortion past 6 months, except to save life of mother.
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 01:11 PM
Feb 2012

Is that not true?

niyad

(113,966 posts)
16. facts don't matter to any of these woman-haters. and I don't imagine that piers person challenged
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 01:12 PM
Feb 2012

him on that statement, either.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
19. That's
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 01:17 PM
Feb 2012

"honest rape"

...like an "honest" strangulation, an "honest" shooting someone in the head or an "honest" stabbing someone in the chest.

Seriously, could any other candidate for the Presidency say something this disgusting and it not cause an uproar?

Spazito

(50,629 posts)
21. Rape is rape...
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 01:24 PM
Feb 2012

It is a abhorrent, violent crime. I am not at all surprised to read Paul's take on this, he is a misogynist who, I have little doubt, believes women are property and, as such, should not have the right to say no.

I despise him, he is a racist, homophobic, antisemitic, misogynist POS.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»ron paul, what exactly IS...