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stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 02:29 PM Feb 2012

“Not in labor force” numbers leaped on an annualized basis,on a raw basis 1.572 million last month

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=201459

Employment Report: Blatant And Outrageous Lies

There are times when one questions a report as possibly being wrong or in error, and then there are times when one has to raise a flag and say "This is an intentionally false picture being presented by a government agency." I'm in the latter camp with this one, and it is rare for me to brand something as not possibly wrong and in error, but intentionally fraudulent. Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 243,000 in January, and the unemployment rate decreased to 8.3 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Job growth was widespread in the private sector, with large employment gains in professional and business services, leisure and hospitality, and manufacturing. Government employment changed little over the month.

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http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?get_gallerynr=2710

"Not in labor force" numbers leaped upward on an annualized basis (seasonally adjusted the "right way&quot and what's worse on a raw basis 1.572 million people exited the labor force last month. This is reflected in the percentage of those not in the labor force as a percentage of the working-age population, which hit an all-time high going back to the initiation of the data series I've tracked since 1999:

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?get_gallerynr=2713

That's 0.6% of the entire labor force that departed the working population in one month, three times the alleged drop in the unemployment rate. This means that internally, the numbers were even worse than they first appear! Indeed, the total number of employed persons fell. A lot. To put a number on it, the total number of employed persons fell by 737,000 by actual count.

Now the cheerleaders will state that this is a common thing in January, and indeed it is. But the correct adjustment is to look at the population increase and subtract that back off as well. In other words, we take the loss of employment and add the population growth. When we do this we get a whopping 2.422 million in the wrong direction which was bested only by the -2.618 million in January of 2009 through the process of this downturn! In fact other than January 2009 there has never been a single month in my table, which dates back to 1999, that put up a worse combined number.

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?get_gallerynr=2711

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?get_gallerynr=2712

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“Not in labor force” numbers leaped on an annualized basis,on a raw basis 1.572 million last month (Original Post) stockholmer Feb 2012 OP
no they didn't Schema Thing Feb 2012 #1
All that means is that it's been worse than it was for some time. Igel Feb 2012 #2
It's the same BS used by climate change deniers. joshcryer Feb 2012 #3

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
1. no they didn't
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 02:40 PM
Feb 2012

well, the "numbers" lept, but the actual number of workers not in the labor force remained about the same.


This was the first month the BLS used the 2010 census results. From Time: "In other words, the spike in the number of people no longer looking for work is entirely the result of some people at the Labor Department adding numbers to their spread sheets rather than an actual observed shift anywhere in the real economy. "



Some Obama opponents are struggling to find a cloud in the silver lining of January’s jobs numbers, which estimated that there was a 243,000-job boost and a big drop in the unemployment rate, from 8.5% to 8.3%, last month. Their biggest gripe focuses on the size of the labor force: As the unemployment rate has trended down over the last few months, anti-Obama commentators have argued that the official percentage for those without jobs is deceptive because the Bureau of Labor Statistics doesn’t count those who have stopped looking for work. In Friday’s report, they found a sharp increase in that group: More than 1.2 million people joined the non-job seeking pool of working-age Americans last month.

I was ready to join the pessimists Friday morning when I saw the sharp drop in the unemployment rate, but for a different reason. The January unemployment report, I had been forewarned by BLS, was the first to be based on models using 2010 census figures. (All these numbers are guestimations based on surveys of smaller samples taken around the country). A big shift up or down in the unemployment rate, I thought, could be explained by the change in the overall population of the country, reflected in t

But the census adjustments actually work against my theory and that of the Obama-detractors. The demographic adjustments had no effect on the unemployment rate, says Mary Bowler, the resident expert in these matters at the BLS. And when it comes to labor force estimates, the steep jump in the number of those not seeking work came entirely from the census adjustment, which added 1.25 million people to that group. If you take out the census adjustment, the labor force numbers stayed essentially the same, as reflected by the labor force participation rate of 63.7%. In other words, the spike in the number of people no longer looking for work is entirely the result of some people at the Labor Department adding numbers to their spread sheets rather than an actual observed shift anywhere in the real economy.

In recent months there have been other reasons to be pessimistic about the economy and about the unemployment numbers, but January’s report offers good news in those areas as well. Even though consumer sentiment and retail sales have been improving over the last few months, some economists argued that the economy could never really turn the corner until the housing market cleared the millions of pending foreclosures that are keeping housing prices low and mortgage holders underwater. The latest employment numbers suggest a turnaround may be underway in housing even though the foreclosure bulge is still working its way through the economy. The January jobs report showed a sharp improvement in housing employment, says Jed Kolko, an economist at Trulia. Construction employment was up 3.9% compared to three months ago. Kolko also points to a big jump in youth employment, as the unemployment rate for 25-34 year-olds dropped to 9% from 9.4% in December. That age group is the prime demographic for changing housing demand.

And just as a final kick in the teeth to those of us who tend to look at the glass as half empty, the Institute for Supply Management on Friday reported that factory orders were up 1.1% in December, suggesting job growth may continue, at least in the manufacturing sector, as producers hire more workers to meet demand.

All in all, it was a very grim day for serial pessimists, this writer included.

Igel

(35,390 posts)
2. All that means is that it's been worse than it was for some time.
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 07:09 PM
Feb 2012

"Some time" being intentionally undefined, but presumably the misalignment between stats and reality increased from 2000 to 2010 (to the present).

Exactly when things went wrong is simply undefined. 2005? 2008? 2010?

It's the kind of thing we were all acutely aware of in early 2008 and the 7 years before. Now we are content to find some ambiguity in the numbers we don't like so we can dismiss them, and eager to dismiss the ambiguity in the numbers we do like.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
3. It's the same BS used by climate change deniers.
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 07:25 PM
Feb 2012

Don't actually look at the data, look at pictures and make hyperbolic comments that have no basis in reality.

Meanwhile Labor Force Participation is slated to go down over the next decade due to the baby boomers. Outrage for outrage sake.

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