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mia

(8,363 posts)
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 05:43 PM Feb 2012

Bill Would Limit How State Welfare Funds Could Be Used

FORT LAUDERDALE (CBSMiami/AP) –
A bill that would limit what items could be purchased with state welfare funds is making headway in the Florida Senate.

Currently, food stamps can be used to buy staples like milk, vegetables, fruits and meat. But they can also use them to buy sweets like cakes, cookies and Jell-O and snack foods like chips, something a state senator wants stopped.

The bill’s sponsor, Sen. Ronda Storms, R-Valrico, also wants to stop the use of other welfare funds, known as Temporary Assistance For Needy Families, at ATMs in casinos and strip clubs and anywhere out of state. The bill comes after reports that the debit cards welfare recipients now receive were used in those places, as well as locations in Las Vegas and the Virgin Islands in a small percentage of cases, but the state does not track what items were purchased....

The bill would also require the state to launch a culturally sensitive campaign to educate people about the benefits of a nutritious diet. Supporters say it would help recipients follow healthy eating habits and prevent taxpayer funds from being used to purchase luxury foods like bakery cakes when they can whip up a cheaper box mix....



http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/02/05/bill-would-limit-how-state-welfare-funds-could-be-used/

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Bill Would Limit How State Welfare Funds Could Be Used (Original Post) mia Feb 2012 OP
..... DJ13 Feb 2012 #1
A bad policy, but they can probably do it bluestateguy Feb 2012 #2
They love to scapegoat the poor. gregtownsand Feb 2012 #10
How about a bill to limit the things legislators can spend their salaries on? Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #3
Lock The Bastards Up TheMastersNemesis Feb 2012 #4
We already limit those funds, so I don't see why applying more limits is news. McCamy Taylor Feb 2012 #5
how dare poor people eat a "luxury" cake! they should only be allowed gruel! Spock_is_Skeptical Feb 2012 #6
Money's fungible. Igel Feb 2012 #7
I am really starting to wonder... jmowreader Feb 2012 #8
The money wasted deciding what food goes in what category outweighs any possible benefits saras Feb 2012 #9

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
2. A bad policy, but they can probably do it
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 06:18 PM
Feb 2012

Anytime you take money from the government, they can make all kinds of rules and conditions.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
3. How about a bill to limit the things legislators can spend their salaries on?
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 06:35 PM
Feb 2012

I mean, after all, that's taxpayer money they're throwing around.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
5. We already limit those funds, so I don't see why applying more limits is news.
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 07:59 PM
Feb 2012

Unless they specify that welfare can only be used to pay for a coffin or a one way ticket out of town, I don't really have a problem with restrictions.

Spock_is_Skeptical

(1,491 posts)
6. how dare poor people eat a "luxury" cake! they should only be allowed gruel!
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 08:18 PM
Feb 2012

it never fails to disgust me, the amount of hate and begrudging nastiness that repukes have for the poor.

just horrific.

Igel

(35,390 posts)
7. Money's fungible.
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 08:52 PM
Feb 2012

If WIC is almost all of your food budget, spend it to maximize nutrition. The occasional treat won't hurt.

If you have additional funds, there's no real difference between WIC and those funds other than how you manage them. WIC for beans, cash for Twinkies.

Since WIC and such are often intended for the welfare of the children, it's something I have fewer problems with than others. "Food insecurity" is rampant but hunger isn't. Poor childhood nutrition is also rampant.

jmowreader

(50,601 posts)
8. I am really starting to wonder...
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 09:18 PM
Feb 2012

if maybe someone shouldn't investigate Ronda Storms' childhood. Something had to happen to her.

Now let's see here...Susie is a TANF recipient who lives in Jennings, Fla. (I had to use Google Maps for this example, sorry.) According to the internets, Jennings has fewer than 900 people in it. Now, I don't know if you the reader have ever actually lived in East Bum Fuck, but I grew up in one of Idaho's East Bum Fucks and I assure you, prices in those places are much higher than they are in larger cities. (And the smaller said community was, the higher the prices were...right now, you can go to St. Maries, the specific EBF I was raised in, and spend $3.50 for a gallon of milk that costs less than $2 in a town an hour away.) If Susie wants value for her dollar she's got to go to a larger community, and there happens to be one just half an hour away.

If Ronda's bill passes, Susie's problems get monumentally huge: that larger community is Valdosta, Ga. If she goes there and spends TANF money, she's in trouble. If she goes there and spends money she earned at a job, and if Susie has two kids she can earn $3,182 (http://coverageforall.org/pdf/FHCE_FedPovertyLevel.pdf) per month and still be eligible for TANF, she's in trouble because one of the dollars she spent in Georgia might have come from TANF and there's no fucking way she can prove otherwise.

Hasn't anyone told Ronda group punishment doesn't work?

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
9. The money wasted deciding what food goes in what category outweighs any possible benefits
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 09:32 PM
Feb 2012

There are so many offensive assumptions embedded in the bill that it's hard to know where to start.

One - that all poor people live in a neighborhood where you can even BUY the food they're talking about.
Two - that poor people aren't already making decisions appropriate for their circumstances.
Three - that poor people have the large amounts of free time that homemade food requires
Four - that a punitive approach is going to engage people in learning from the program - the poor, for some reason, learn better that way
Five - that all poor people have the ability to store a large variety of food and cooking utensils
Six - that poor people never encounter emergencies where they are where they are, and someone is hungry

I could go on for as long as I care to - the entire array of disrespect capitalism has for the actual human being is embedded in this situation.

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