they can vote for the other guy. Simple as that.

Maybe...but not necessarily a former Democrat.

Not for one minute do I think this was someone who posted at DU in good faith...more likely a troll. Cankles Clinton? really? Dead give away right there.

I don't think I miss you.

Cankles Clinton and the anti-union boilerplate are giveaways.

Does this person really give a shit what -I- think??

I highly doubt it.

corporations business.

all else can be undone in a heart beat.

and the tea party together and form a rally on the steps of congress just on this issue alone. Who knows maybe they could make the change. Or maybe in each state do what MT is doing.

In June of 2008, the price per barrel was, in 2012 dollars, $ 130.00 per barrel.

All I can think is that the oil conglomerates have built in the ability to charge more for oil when people think that having Obama in the White House makes them feel as if a gallon of gas should be higher...

It also is a result of having way too many dollars washing around so the price of oil is more and more disconnected from the price of a Barrel of oil.

I believe there is a democrat in office premium built into the system.

I could be wrong but the evidence seems to, at the very least, provoke a question.

What's your/his point?

You were right to leave DU! Can't say I am sorry you left us! Hoping you stay away now...at least until you relocate your mind.

As far as I can remember oil companies and oil brokers have manipulated the price for political purposes.
KNOW YOUR ENEMY!
Need I quote Pogo?

The company he would have garnered were lost to him upon the usage of "cankles". Note the posts talking only about that but nothing else.

I point as I see it is
This nation's politics have moved so far to the right that we defend things that when I was coming up could never be defended. Right now there is no alternative choice. I think it is good to point out the facts so we can go to work on a local level developing more progressive politicians.
It isn't that republicans would do better, it is that Democrats CAN do better.
I like Obama and I am pretty sure unless something major comes up that he will win a second term. I am looking beyond that to the future of the party.

right wing talk radio, buy a damn moutain dew and a moon pie and get to their mudd mogging and they are a happy bunch. They don't seem to care about the future. You got the churchs lock up with republicans telling people how to vote. I am so disgusted with what I see.

Maybe if this country is headed back to war and this time make it mandatory then you just might see a change and get these people off their asses. Right now they are content with letting others do their fight while they are back home riding their pickups.

eom

Reality -- things like extreme inflation, high gasoline prices, the fact that the U.S. Post Office is in a lot of trouble, fraud on Wall Street, people's life savings being swallowed up by the Fed's policies, etc. etc. etc. -- War Without End ...

Then why are they closing down the local post office where I live (well I should say making it a part-time post office).

If it is all b.s. then why does the postal worker's union not do something about this? I realize this "union" is not a real union for all practical purposes but people working for the post office pay dues.

This sickens me. Many folks have worked for them for many years only to wonder, as retirement approaches, will those benefits promised to them still be there?

I hope they will be but the way things are going, I tend to not be overly optimistic about it.

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That since the oil industry is capitalist, and not socialized, there isn't damn much any president can do for prices. Except make the world more secure and less volatile. I really, really, REALLY FUCKING DOUBT that a rethug president is going to back off Iran and make the market less volatile. Or close gitmo, or end the NDAA. They will strengthen that shit with glee. So go ahead, support Rmoney, or sanitarium, or the grinch. You're just being willfully ignorant. And maybe you do deserve one of those fools as president.

Tell him that.

sardonic understatement.

But it takes some skill to be able to ignore an argument based on a small grammar mistake. Congratulations.

According to this chart: Those prices would actually have been between $2.30 and $2.60.

by the way, thanks for posting, lumberjack_jeff.

As if it was contrived just so right wingers could say, "The gas prices was $1.80 the day Obama took office but now it is $XX!'

I wonder what the chart looks like for diesel fuel.
I knew I was being screwed back in 2007, my fuel bills skyrocketed.
2008 was a &@%!@#* nightmare!

Do you any idea how bad the gas mileage is on those things for land travel?

dealing with an idiot like that.
Gas is likely high because of colusion between fat cat oil companies and repukes to undermine the economy.
Occupy has changed the political discourse of the world and soon the realities it will bring will mean a new dawn of true democracy while this thug is still frothing at the mouth over having a black president.

from here http://205.254.135.24/oil_gas/petroleum/da...

On Aug 18, 2008 it was $3.71 and Sep. 29, 2008 it was $3.64 then it started falling as the economy crashed. 3.11 by Oct 13, 2.34 by Nov. 3, and 1.79 by December 1, 2008. Bottomed out at 1.59 on December 29. 2008. By Feb. 2, it was $1.87 and by March 30, $2.03.

That's kind of an outlier though, because from Dec. 31, 2007 to Oct. 13, 2008 gas was over $2.95, peaking at a price of $4.05 on July 14, 2008.

those low prices were sort of a fluke due to a crashed economy, here's the price in context

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/170

could accomplish more but at least we still have:

more affordable health care
contraception availability
a safety net
Social Security
lower unemployment
an improving economy
more troops out of the Middle East and home where they belong


None of which we would have if our "Dear Leader" had not been elected.

very long. What DUer would call Hillary Clinton "Cankles Clinton" or refer to union members like this" unions have bargained for you the right to show up at drunk and high ". "Dear Leader" is a freeper term. Sorry, not buying it.

I reread the post a couple times and don't see what you're going to do about it.

I could read between the lines and assume you intend to vote for Mitt Romney in November, but that wouldn't be fair would it? Still, you leave it up in the air to interpret the motive of this entry.

Tell us what your intentions are, and the reason for posting this. If you just felt like cherry picking shortcomings while ignoring accomlishments of the adminstration, I don't think your opinion deserves much respect here.

On edit:
Thanks to his ammended post I see these aren't the words of OmahaSteve, but a cut & paste from elsewhere. Still, I wonder the motive for posting such flame bait. Is Steve going to pass along the helpful replies, or do his opinions mirror those of the "former DUer" and he doesn't want to accept the flak he's sure to face?

from what I've read in the past, so my guess it's been posted to allow DU to tear it to shreds.

isn't it that way here? A lil controversy and you get responses in ops, moreso than the other way around.

originally asked.

This person was never a DU'er--may have come to DU as a troll, but was NEVER a DU'er. I saw the avatar this person uses...that says it all.

The Govt doesn't control gas prices or food inflation.

Gitmo is open because the senate blocked it 96-3.

Aircraft carriers have been circling Iran for a loooong time.

I agree with the marijuana thing.

Occupy Wall St hasn't even peaked yet and has already changed the National conversation.

Jobs are going overseas because of greedy corporatists.

Seems like MOST of the problems have to do with the beloved free-market enterprise.

Is this ex-DUer actually advocating for strong Govt intervention into the free markets?

Seems HYPOCRITICAL.

Truth is, is that the Govt could easily fix all those problems if the anti-Govt crowd weren't so quick to scream SOCIALISM!

We would still be in Iraq, surging in Afghanistan, bombing Iran, in a nuclear standoff with North Korea and/or Russia and the price of gas would be about $10/gallon. Marijuana users and OWS protestors would be sent to a newly built Guantanomo II since we ran out of space at Gitmo I. The only jobs available would be military related or service sector to the 1 percent. And the RWingers would be chanting Go USA Go USA!

Tell that former DUer he's an idiot.

I have read and listened and posted here over the last three+ years that
President Obama has been our President.
I have shared ideas, concerns and victories here on DU with other
DUers who are here on this BB to interact with each other.

How could this person be any more interested with what goes on in discussion
here than what he could ask someone at a bus stop?

To see what is really going on here you need to spend some time here...This is
not a site for hit and run.


Tikki

Just who would they vote for?

But failed, finally, to connect all the dots.

The way politicians perform on the Hill, at least in terms of mose domestic policy, is carefully scripted by corporate sponsors being repaid for their bribes, errrr, their contributions.

Both major parties do business this way. It's probably unrealistic, in todays world, to expect to get elected without major money.

And insinuating that a President can enforce a social agenda is silly. I hope (you think) you're being provocative and not just dumb.

If you can't recognize the policies that have allowed at least some economic recovery, and see a halted war, along with more dead terrorist leaders, then whose failure are we really talking about?

Does this mean all of our problems are magically solved by an election, or any single man/woman? You will never catch me in a ridiculous argument like that. Even while criticizing political opponents.

Most DUers acknowledge our weaknesses, and actively propose workable solutions. It is tied to success for our nation. NOT to political maneuvering and power grabs. We have our excesses, but shit man, think about the alternatives.

Average price of one gallon of regular unleaded, 21 April 2008: $3.50. July 2008: oil peaked at $147 a barrel. Anyone remember what happened between July of 2008 and January 2009 to cause the precipitous drop in fuel prices down to $1.80 a gallon from highs above $3? The global economy went into meltdown. That's what happened. Demand destruction and deep recession. Since then? Economic recovery in much of the world has led to increased demand. The current price of oil? $117 a barrel for Brent crude on the London exchange (NYMEX crude is an inaccurate and broken benchmark and does not reflect the cost per barrel of most US crude oil or imports). Inflation is in part due to a loose monetary policy of quantitative easing and low interest rates, and partly due to the increase in oil prices (which are pegged to the dollar). As to the rest, it's not perfect but it's better than the alternative (a Republican administration would probably adopt a harder line on Iran, for one).

It started getting really high in CA around 2003-2004. I eventually quit a job in 2005 because it was costing so much in gas just to get there, that it was starting to not be worth it.

it's re-exporting finished petroleum products refined from oil imported from Mexico and Canada because the US has the refinery capacity those countries lack.

You know who was Dear Leader? Ronnie Raygun.

As for me I've been very disappointed with Obama, but it's a sure thing I'll vote for him again. Know why?



I think that says it all. I can have a slightly-right-of-center Democrat that I'm not happy with, or a hard-line bat shit crazy Republican who's going to make things a million times worse. Does this clown actually believe that just because I'm unhappy with Obama that I would even consider voting for one of these freaks? Does he think I like Obama so much just because I like the Far Out Raving Looney Party even less? It's a choice between the frying pan and the fire, and I'll take the frying pan every time.

And where was gas $1.80 in 2009? I remember it hitting $4 in 2006- and then inexplicably dropping to about $2.25 just in time for the election. Then when it was over and the Republicans lost anyway it slowly crept back up. The president- no matter what party he is- has no control over the cost of gas at the pump. The big oil companies manipulate the market, and in 2006 they knew that people were angry at the party they have in their pocket, so they did what they could to make people less mad.

What the hell is it with these people with bold faced lies? Fine, that isn't completely true there was a brief period in 08 where it got that low, but that's because the economy was in ruins. Their argument is still dishonest.

WHAT are we supposed to do if we decide not to vote for Obama? Let us cut all the long-winded CRAP here and just get down to the hard tac facts - no one is going to step up, no one is going to take charge. Do WE have an option? Are there any? The only person that HAS stepped up is Obama. Does the OP author have any suggestions or just a screed as to "how bad off we are"?

I don't need someone fucking telling me "how bad off we are", I KNOW how bad off we are...what I want are SOLUTIONS...not more screed against our current leader. SO FAR Obama is the only person offering solutions (some I agree with, some I don't) however I see NO ONE ELSE that can step up to the plate and give us the change our nation needs right now.

Please, I am all ears as to what we should do to make America a better place...what solution does the OP author have for me...cuz I can diss the POTUS just as well as the OP author, I don't NEED more of that. I need RESULTS.

What results are these 'other' potential leaders going give us? Newt? Mitt?

Sorry, but the OP is a 'waa waa you all are miserable cuz I say so' kinda whine imo.

You don't have to have an account to lurk.

He and the other Flintstones are on a website I'm told we're not supposed to name here. But they have two discussion boards dedicated to mocking DUers, and yes, they read us pretty regularly. Incidentally, Omaha Steve is one of their favorite targets.

The rules have changed. And keeping mum only allows the sociopaths there to clog google with disinformation and lies in efforts to harm DUers.

From K Gardner...

To K Gardner!

Julie

that's a typical wingnut attack going back to the 90s.

hard for me to take this seriously. if they ever were a DU member they were a troll.

"Gas is over $3 and in some places near $4".

Not much the President can do about that short of putting every oil company exec in a headlock. The only place this will happen is in the far left's wet dreams.

"Food inflation is so high that you guys have threads devoted to bargain-shopping."

Uh...what?

"Obama approves of drones filling the American skies."

As a newly-minted wingnut, I'd have thought you'd approve.

"Guantanamo is still open and will remain open for the forseeable future."

You can thank Congress for refusing to provide the funding for that. Asshole Republicans and whiny NIMBY Democrats who kept blocking it because they were afraid of the MSM going "SOFT ON TEEERRRROOORRRRR!!!!"

"Obama and his attack dog, Cankles Clinton, have aircraft carriers circling Iran."

And we start with a personal attack on Hillary Clinton? Classy. Anyway, this is news to me--and if your boys had their way we'd have American troops getting shot to death there right now.

"The feds bust medical marijuana clinics whenever their stash runs low."

Ah, I see. The not-so-subtle racist implication that Eric Holder's Justice Department is a bunch of weed-smoking power-hungry psychopaths. Seriously, what?

"Your Occupy Wall Street movement has become exactly that: a movement, only of the bowel variety."

How is this Obama's fault? Also, if you want to see TRUE shit, take a look at the Rascals and misspelled racist signs at Tea Party/Klan rallies.

"All that, plus more and more of the jobs that your unions have bargained for you the right to show up at drunk and high are going overseas."

How DARE those unions get me a 40-hour work week and enforced sick and vacation time! Those BASTARDS! Seriously, the anti-union crap is getting old.


Bottom line: What we see in "Dear Leader" (ironic that you call him that, considering you guys worship Ronnie McReagan like a god) is a man with the ability and temperament to be the most powerful person in the nation. What we see on your side is an egomaniacal psychopath (Gingrich), a terrifyingly nutty social conservative who would turn the country into a horribly oppressive theocracy (Santorum), a rich boy who wants to buy the Presidency and can't think of a single reason why people should vote for him (Romney), and a complete fucking nutbag who thinks it's still the 19th century (Paul).

In 2000 I was paying $.99 a gallon in Vegas. That was under Clinton.

I've done bargain shopping most of my life, most people do. Do you buy your groceries at 7-11, just to avoid a bargain? I thought you were a conservative?

I don't approve of the drones or the MMJ raids. Unlike you, we don't lockstep to our masters. We disagree and say so.

In my experience, people that see union jobs as solely giving the right to show up drunk and high are usually the people who have been fired from their nonunion job for showing up drunk or high. YMMV. When you've educated yourself on things like Triangle Shirtwaist, 40-hour workweeks, overtime, weekends and the creation of the middle class, get back to me and we'll talk.

What do I see in Obama? A guy that's not perfect, doesn't always get it right, but is better than any ten of your candidates put together. Let's remember that the guy that CAUSED all these problems was a Republican, shall we? And you more than likely voted for him. Twice.

conservativecave.com

It used to be a DU banning offense to type that url here. No longer.

Ill vote for sanatorium or newt or Romney. That's so much a better choice.

Edit..... Keyboard issues". And removal of pejorative

any control over gas prices. Pretty much the only thing he can do is release oil from the strategic reserves, which he has. That's it. The president is powerless over gas prices otherwise.

Guess that didn't work so well.

It is from the site that used to be unmentionable on DU but is not unmentionable now. It is a site that exists to pester DU-ers. The site is run by Fred Grady -- a man whose name was that of a sociopath to DU-ers just a few years ago because of his involvement in the Andy Stephenson matter. Fred Grady goes by the pseudonymn franksolich on freerepublic and on his web site. He is a shape shifter who considers himself a "skilled agent provocateur" in his own words.

There's more, but anyone interested can follow their own trails. Google Fred Grady Andy Stephenson if you wish, and many old DU threads will pop up. Wingnuts have tried to plaster google with all manner of disinformation, but the truth can still be found.

If it is the site I'm thinking of, they boast about the moles they have here and often cheer them on.

The grammar, the attack on OWS, the attack on Clinton etc all give them away.

I have no recollection of gas being cheap during the Bush years. I remember home heating oil, eg, sky-rocketing during those year. Especially living in the NE. So the whole post is pure BS but worthy of someone from that vile board, assuming it's the one I'm thinking of.

but in the summer of 2008, it was over $4 gallon. http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/2011/08/22/keeping-michele-bachmann-honest-on-gas-prices/

More on the issue: http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/may/22/michael-williams/michael-williams-says-gas-prices-are-2-obama-becam/

These idiots think they can play stupid games and people will let them get away with it.

Ugh.

So many lies but damn that one leaps of the page!

Sometimes I envy the ability to create one's own reality.

Julie

he was a speculator or in that business. Don't agree with with drone thingy, Guantanamo still open or the Iran thingy (the things all Republicans except Paulies are for). If you think Occupy is the problem, then you worship corporate rule and crony capitalism, the creators of all you have mentioned including your inability to connect the dots.

Your Political enemy,

mmonk



How's that?

The disjointed growling that emanates from you and others with similar personality disorders merits no response from any rational person other than ridicule and insult. Therefore, consider yourself insulted with every insult that may even remotely apply to a member of the species Homo sapiens. In regards to you, all of them are true. Now kindly go to hell. (Come Nov 7, you will be convinced you're there already.)

and apparently unions only function to ensure you can show up drunk at work...

My head hurts...

So who cares what this jackass has to say anyway? I don't think he/she deserves any attention at all here.

"Gas is over $3 and in some places near $4...Gas was $1.80 when Obama took office. Not the day of the election, mind you: the DAY HE TOOK OFFICE."

Huh. I don't remember the last time I paid less than two dollars a gallon for gas. I honestly don't. Before 9/11/2001 I would guess. I know that on that date, gas prices at some stations were up over $4 and $5 a gallon, and there were some station owners in hot water over price gouging too. Most of the Shrub years, gas was over $3 a gallon, where I lived. I'd wonder what the source is for the idea that the gas was $1.80. I know one would get propaganda if asked for the source of this gem.

Most of the rest of it is personal attacks. Food inflation is high. Gas is high. What is this Einstein's solution to this? GOVERNMENT price controls? I'd advise this poster to talk to the folks that run the industry about the high food prices; what's wrong? Don't like capitalism so much? How about them bootstraps they are always talking about?

"Obama and his attack dog, Cankles Clinton*, have aircraft carriers circling Iran." You'd think this would make a RWer happy, since they seem to get giddy at the thought of fighting interminable wars and love beating the war drums when it comes to Iran.

*I had to look up this "Cankles Clinton" slur. I see it has been in use for some time. How have I missed it? If she is such a bad, bad, evil person, why do they have to resort to her ankles to attack her? Oh yes, because she is a woman and all that matters to RWers about women are their bodies. I was thrown; usually when they are in attack mode they are more concerned about women's reproductive organs. Luckily for America, Clinton has more integrity in her pinky finger than a convention hall full of RWers.