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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/opinion/krugman-moochers-against-welfare.htmlAnd what these severe conservatives hate, above all, is reliance on government programs. Rick Santorum declares that President Obama is getting America hooked on the narcotic of dependency. Mr. Romney warns that government programs foster passivity and sloth. Representative Paul Ryan, the chairman of the House Budget Committee, requires that staffers read Ayn Rands Atlas Shrugged, in which heroic capitalists struggle against the moochers trying to steal their totally deserved wealth, a struggle the heroes win by withdrawing their productive effort and giving interminable speeches.
Many readers of The Times were, therefore, surprised to learn, from an excellent article published last weekend, that the regions of America most hooked on Mr. Santorums narcotic the regions in which government programs account for the largest share of personal income are precisely the regions electing those severe conservatives. Wasnt Red America supposed to be the land of traditional values, where people dont eat Thai food and dont rely on handouts?
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Finally, Cornell Universitys Suzanne Mettler points out that many beneficiaries of government programs seem confused about their own place in the system. She tells us that 44 percent of Social Security recipients, 43 percent of those receiving unemployment benefits, and 40 percent of those on Medicare say that they have not used a government program.
Presumably, then, voters imagine that pledges to slash government spending mean cutting programs for the idle poor, not things they themselves count on. And this is a confusion politicians deliberately encourage. For example, when Mr. Romney responded to the new Obama budget, he condemned Mr. Obama for not taking on entitlement spending and, in the very next breath, attacked him for cutting Medicare.
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Atman
(31,464 posts)It'll drive all my crazy right-wing Florida friends nuts!
unkachuck
(6,295 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Even when it slaps them upside the face....
Scary shit. Scary OP. thanks for posting....
NAO
(3,425 posts)Gawd, I can't believe I read Atlas Shrugged cover to cover in high school. I remember those speeches that went on for ever.
nilram
(2,895 posts)Around 9th grade, I saw it at a Woolworth's for cheap and had a vague idea it was an important book. I bought it, started reading and just couldn't finish. No plot, all the characters spoke the same way, plodding use of language, dull ideas. I read so many books, so many of which I don't remember, but I guess I remember this one because it was so disappointing.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)it is perfectly fine for big banks and major, multinational corporations can accept bucket loads of welfare sucked out of our taxes because they are not idle.
I thought that profits and gigantanormous CEO pay/benefits were the formal income model.
So, profit, plus "justified" welfare income, (adjusted for person hood and number of subsidies) is now the accepted definition, then.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)"Presumably, then, voters imagine that pledges to slash government spending mean cutting programs for the idle poor, not things they themselves count on. And this is a confusion politicians deliberately encourage.
For example, when Mr. Romney responded to the new Obama budget, he condemned Mr. Obama for not taking on entitlement spending and, in the very next breath, attacked him for cutting Medicare.
The truth, of course, is that the vast bulk of entitlement spending goes to the elderly, the disabled, and working families, so any significant cuts would have to fall largely on people who believe that they dont use any government program.
The message I take from all this is that pundits who describe America as a fundamentally conservative country are wrong. Yes, voters sent some severe conservatives to Washington. But those voters would be both shocked and angry if such politicians actually imposed their small-government agenda."