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rurallib

(62,482 posts)
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 10:41 AM Feb 2012

If I were a woman and a Catholic, I would stop going to church

and quit donating.
Seeing the collection plate dry up is about the only thing that will get their attention.
And if the catholic collection plates dry up, then maybe the bishops will be less gung-ho to be an arm of the Republican Party.

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If I were a woman and a Catholic, I would stop going to church (Original Post) rurallib Feb 2012 OP
Beat ya to it! By about 20 years. n/t Raven Feb 2012 #1
Same here. n/t Lugnut Feb 2012 #7
me too n/t pkz Feb 2012 #31
Same here. n/t GoCubsGo Feb 2012 #32
I have already done that. I don't put my money in their collection plate any longer or even go to southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #2
It is interesting to see people who violate every rule of the church rise up to defend it... rfranklin Feb 2012 #3
If you're Catholic that goes to church surfdog Feb 2012 #4
I did long ago. PA Democrat Feb 2012 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author eShirl Feb 2012 #6
Strange where some people's lines are surfdog Feb 2012 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author eShirl Feb 2012 #18
I'm not a Roman Catholic ... earthside Feb 2012 #8
Gone a long time ago Loge23 Feb 2012 #10
I myself wa raised catholic, but was pretty much gone from it rurallib Feb 2012 #12
Stopped going once I graduated from H.S. rox63 Feb 2012 #11
Just read about the history of the Catholic church... Mumble Feb 2012 #13
Just read about the history of the United States joeglow3 Feb 2012 #23
There's a difference. earthside Feb 2012 #24
+1000 Dawson Leery Feb 2012 #33
The Catholic Church is stuck in the 14th century. backscatter712 Feb 2012 #14
Many people in the Church realize that the Church has to change and have stayed in the Church libinnyandia Feb 2012 #15
Not a woman, but I have stopped... joeybee12 Feb 2012 #16
We finally did WCIL Feb 2012 #17
I stopped going to church before the '04 elections. A few of us got up and walked out ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #19
You walked out around the same time I did, 2004... Kath1 Feb 2012 #30
There are church-going DUers here who say "Oh, but my church/priest/whatever is different" Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #20
I quit going to church a long time ago..... Avalux Feb 2012 #21
I had a friend who got an annulement rurallib Feb 2012 #22
Money talks, prayer walks pscot Feb 2012 #37
you would be talking about every woman on my mom's side of the family....(including me) w8liftinglady Feb 2012 #25
Because I am pro-choice Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #26
not sure how I demeaned them rurallib Feb 2012 #27
Been there, done that over 20 years ago. phylny Feb 2012 #28
I left in 2004 at age 45 Kath1 Feb 2012 #29
Oh, I already did fifty years ago. Cleita Feb 2012 #34
Fifty years? Wow! Kath1 Feb 2012 #35
long ago time when I left that cesspool Whisp Feb 2012 #36
Just this week Kath1 Feb 2012 #38
It drives me nuts that old widows on meager SS benefits might be tithing 10% Vinca Feb 2012 #39
 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
2. I have already done that. I don't put my money in their collection plate any longer or even go to
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 10:45 AM
Feb 2012

their organized church services. I stop going because they are getting into politics way to much.

 

rfranklin

(13,200 posts)
3. It is interesting to see people who violate every rule of the church rise up to defend it...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 10:46 AM
Feb 2012

It must be the psychological comfort of the familiar and the really cool system which allows you to break all the rules and get a GET OUT OF JAIL FREE card by going to confession.

 

surfdog

(624 posts)
4. If you're Catholic that goes to church
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 10:48 AM
Feb 2012

Then you are supporting an organization that the defends child rapists

You are supporting an organization that refuses to have a zero tolerance policy on child rape for the simple fact that they tolerate child rape

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
5. I did long ago.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 10:53 AM
Feb 2012

My husband stopped when they started passing out "Voter's Guides" with the candidates' stance on only three issues listed.

The only three issues the bishop felt were important that election year?

Prayer in school
Vouchers for religious school
Abortion

Of course this was before gay marriage was even a possibility politically, or that would have been their fourth issue voters needed to consider.

Response to rurallib (Original post)

 

surfdog

(624 posts)
9. Strange where some people's lines are
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:17 AM
Feb 2012

The church defends serial child rapists for decades and doesn't cross the line but put a second collection plate in for defeating gay marriage and that's it

Jeeesh

Response to surfdog (Reply #9)

earthside

(6,960 posts)
8. I'm not a Roman Catholic ...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:17 AM
Feb 2012

... so it is very perplexing to me that there are those who disagree with about 80 percent-plus of what this church stands for, but will not leave.

Is 'tradition' so strong that they cannot leave an organization as bad as this one? Or do they still believe somehow that this is the 'true' church and if they depart they will burn for eternity?

Since this church is certainly not democratic and is an authoritarian institution, nothing the dissenting members do will ever fundamentally change the organization. Hey, even the great reformer Martin Luther was kicked out after all he did to try and change the church from inside.

Seems to me that the only thing to do would be to quit so that the decline in membership and finances makes the church increasingly irrelevant.

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
10. Gone a long time ago
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:19 AM
Feb 2012

...when I was in HS, there were priests that supported the Vietnam War. That did it for me.
To be fair, there were some that did not, and did work for peace and supporting the poor.
At least one that I know of is no longer a priest.
The Catholic church, as pointed out in the OP, IS a wing of the republican/taliban party.

rurallib

(62,482 posts)
12. I myself wa raised catholic, but was pretty much gone from it
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:26 AM
Feb 2012

before leaving HS. Same era as you.
Vietnam really pointed up the lies that the church was more than happy to spew.

rox63

(9,464 posts)
11. Stopped going once I graduated from H.S.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:23 AM
Feb 2012

I was sent to Catholic Schools from first grade through high school. Stopped attending non-school services at age 16. Stopped attending completely after graduation. Now I only set foot in Catholic churches for other people's weddings or funerals.

 

Mumble

(201 posts)
13. Just read about the history of the Catholic church...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:26 AM
Feb 2012

...how can any decent person continue to follow this evil, corrupt, hate organization blows my mind.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
23. Just read about the history of the United States
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 02:37 PM
Feb 2012

...how can any decent person continue to follow this evil, corrupt, hate country blows my mind.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
24. There's a difference.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:03 PM
Feb 2012

I was born here. The country still is a republic, even if in a terrible condition.

I can still hope to change the nation by who I decide to vote for, by being politically active, speaking for my point of view, trying to persuade others, etc.

The Roman Catholic church on the other hand is not a democracy -- it is authoritarian, you cannot change it as a lay person -- only the pope and/or his minion cardinals can change it. However, you can just quit ... you don't have to move, get a passport or visa, seek citizenship in another place ... just quit.

That's the difference.

libinnyandia

(1,374 posts)
15. Many people in the Church realize that the Church has to change and have stayed in the Church
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:44 AM
Feb 2012

in order to change it. There are many organizations working to bring about that change. .

WCIL

(343 posts)
17. We finally did
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:55 AM
Feb 2012

My husband and I held on for years thinking we could help change things from the inside. I was heavily involved in the parochial school my kids attended, my husband was president of the parish council. We both worked hard for the social concerns committee. We spoke out when our diocese tried to foist the blame for the child sex scandal on the laity with their mandatory "Protecting God's Children" series. We pointedly ripped up the petition cards we were presented and given time to fill out during Mass, designed to be sent to Congress on such matters as gay marriage and health care. We also challenged our priest when he said he would deny communion to Dick Durbin.

We have very hard heads, and it took us a long time to realize that we were 2 people fighting against the tide. Our church won't change, so we had to leave.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
19. I stopped going to church before the '04 elections. A few of us got up and walked out
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 12:00 PM
Feb 2012

in the middle of the Archdiocese's approved hate speech-instead-of-homily "protecting" marriage. It was a beautiful site to see at least a couple of other people get up in the middle of the hate and walk out.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
30. You walked out around the same time I did, 2004...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 09:30 PM
Feb 2012

Wasn't that a very liberating experience? I thought it was. What a relief.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
20. There are church-going DUers here who say "Oh, but my church/priest/whatever is different"
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 12:01 PM
Feb 2012

But to me, the larger point and the bottom line are that you're still supporting the Vatican & the bishops & cardinals and all their evil doings.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
21. I quit going to church a long time ago.....
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 12:01 PM
Feb 2012

after trying to get an annulment of my first marriage. At that in my life (I was very young), I was still very Catholic and when my husband ended up being gay, I filed for an annulment. I won't go into details, but it was a horrible experience which left me deeply saddened and destroyed my faith. The annulment didn't happen and according to the Catholic church, I am still married to that man. When I think about it now, it's absurd such a 'rule' exists and that I was so devastated by it.

rurallib

(62,482 posts)
22. I had a friend who got an annulement
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 02:35 PM
Feb 2012

he just had to pony up about half of what he owned, an incredible amount for a relatively poor person. But he did so happily.
And the church in their turn ignored most of their teachings on marriage for that chunk of money.

w8liftinglady

(23,278 posts)
25. you would be talking about every woman on my mom's side of the family....(including me)
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:11 PM
Feb 2012

all left The Italian-American version of the Catholic Church over a woman's right to chose and contraception....in the early 70's.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
26. Because I am pro-choice
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:18 PM
Feb 2012

I would like to leave this decision to the Catholic women in question.

Can we please not demean them?

phylny

(8,394 posts)
28. Been there, done that over 20 years ago.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 08:32 PM
Feb 2012

I was raised Catholic, but got to thinking:

1) I don't believe birth control is a sin.
2) I don't believe the Pope is infallible.
3) I don't believe you should pray to Mary.

So, I thought, "What's the point?", left and haven't looked back. As we've moved, I've belonged to Methodist and Presbyterian churches, and currently belong to an ecumenical church made up of Presbyterians, Episcopalians, and Lutherans.

I love it, and nobody talks about politics or abortion.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
29. I left in 2004 at age 45
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 09:15 PM
Feb 2012

I was on the verge of a separation/divorce and had recently gone to the March For Womens' Lives. Friends had invited me to go and I did, very much against my ex's decree. I was very moved by the event and made up my mind that I would not live a lie. Went back one more time, to sort of say goodbye, with the "Stop The War On Women" sticker on my car that I bought at the march. Sat through the service and couldn't wait to leave. Walked out the door, drove home and never went back. A couple of my friends, who thought I was crazy at the time, have since left over contraception/abortion issues.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
34. Oh, I already did fifty years ago.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 10:55 PM
Feb 2012

That's when the pill became available and I wasn't about to just say no. Unfortunately, there are the ranks of the indoctrinated who never will cause they are afraid of going to Hell.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
35. Fifty years? Wow!
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:44 PM
Feb 2012

Ahead of your time, for sure. Good for you. Many are following in your footsteps today!

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
38. Just this week
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 08:32 AM
Feb 2012

a friend of mine who is a church-going Catholic told me she is seriously considering quitting the church. She was very offended that the priest used his sermon to rant against the same-sex marriage proposal here in MD. She said the only reason she hasn't is the effect in will have on her devout, elderly and ailing parents and the reaction of her Catholic family in general. She knows I got some serious blowback from my family when I quit in 2004 and took my (then) teenage daughter with me. I told her gently I think it is time for her to find a faith more tolerant and in touch than the Catholic Church.

If SHE is considering leaving, the Church is serious trouble. Soon there will be nobody at mass but a bunch of cranky old men.

Vinca

(50,328 posts)
39. It drives me nuts that old widows on meager SS benefits might be tithing 10%
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 08:55 AM
Feb 2012

so the Catholic church can pay their sex abuse lawsuits . . . while the guys in the funny hats tell us what is and is not moral.

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