come on GOP candidates here's a good issue for you to rally around.

Not necessarily to many segments of the base, but certainly to the establishment.

On immigration, outsourcing, and foreign wars he's diametrically opposed to the big donors and neocons. He's been a thorn in their side for a long time now.

Remember 1992? He committed the heresy of challenging the sitting president in the primaries. You don't get forgiven for that unless you're Ted Kennedy

Did you just wake up MSNBC? Pat has been racist, sexist, anti-Semitic and homophobic all along.

GOOD RIDDANCE. Don't let the door hit you.

fom his 'Who wants war with Iran' article, Feb 7, he's actually saying that if you dont vote for Obama, you have war with Iran. You think Rachel Madow has the same credibility in Red States to say that that he has? Sure you want him gone? Is a war with Iran worth getting rid of his other views? (By the way, I already agreed with him on the obama iran vote issue, before I read the article, I'm voting for Obama on that issue alone)

"Year 2012 is thus shaping up as a war-or-peace election, with Republicans the war party and Democrats the peace-and-diplomacy party."


"Why have the Iranians not followed through on their threat to close the Strait of Hormuz and begun to dial it back?

War with the United States would be a disaster. Though the Tehran regime might survive -- as Saddam Hussein's survived Desert Storm -- Iran's navy, most of its armor, anti-aircraft and anti-ship defenses, and its strategic missile force would be destroyed, as would much of the country's infrastructure. Iran would be set back years.

Who, then, wants war with Iran?

All those who would like to see exactly that happen to Iran.

And who are they? The Netanyahu government and its echo chamber in U.S. politics and media, the neoconservatives, members of Congress, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum. (my note MSNBC = MS-NBC, ever thought about who owns NBC? -> GE, a military industrial complex titan)

And as the Obama administration is the major force in U.S. politics opposed to war with Iran, its defeat in November would increase, to near certitude, the probability of a U.S. war with Iran in 2013.
Yet if the Pentagon and U.S. intelligence community are correct -- Iran does not have a bomb and has not decided to build a bomb -- why should we go to war with Iran?

Answer: Iran represents "an existential threat" to Israel.

But Israel has 200 atomic bombs and three ways to deliver them, while Iran has never built, tested or weaponized a nuclear device. Who is the existential threat to whom here?

And though a U.S. war on Iran would be calamitous for Iran, it would be no cakewalk for Americans, who could become terrorist targets for years in the Gulf, Afghanistan, Baghdad's Green Zone, Lebanon and even here in the USA.

Year 2012 is thus shaping up as a war-or-peace election, with Republicans the war party and Democrats the peace-and-diplomacy party."

Read it yourself - From

http://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2012/02/07/who_wants_war_with_iran/page/full/

with Iran?

anyone really think hard about who was the winner here?

when you get caught up in 'who's right' rather than 'what's right', the 'Powers That Be' win every time - Always

it makes perfect sense for Pat Buchanan to be ostracized from public discourse, what we need the theory for is to explain why he has been on at all, especially at MSNBC. Every time I saw him I wondered why he was there.

Sort of like a stopped clock, Pat is right every decade or so.

and he calls both parties '2 wings of the same bird' on economic issues

i'm not defending ALL of his views, i'm hust saying on the issues of war and economics, 2 HUGE issues, he's right and has credibility inside the repubican party you cant get elsewhere

'bullets and IEDs will break your bones, but names will hurt you less', to paraphrase and old expression (notice i didnt excuse names)

and that's exactly what we have, with blacks and hispanics taking a disproportinate share of the injuries, trama and death in these needless wars

while i dont agree with bringing back a 'real' draft, i do understand Rep Conyer's proposal to bring back the draft so that everyone's kids go, not just the disadvantaged (his motivation being that non-disadvataged might actually pressure their reps to stay OUT of these stupid wars, more than wanting richer kids to serve)

Buchanan takes it a step further - lets just stay out of the wars, even if we have to vote Obama to do it (Yes, Pat was against the Iraq war too)

what really hurts non whites more? pat's controversial social issue comments, or most politicians.media silence or parroting on Iran?

for single handedly sabotaging the reelection chances of George H.W. Bush with his primary challenge and his hate speech at the 1992 Republican Convention and helping to get the Big Guy elected.