Buncha redneck hillbillies that goes with God, Guns and Guts mode doesn't even like us northerners.

All I try to do is preach simple tolerance.

It's just amazing down there in Alabama, isn't it, trof?

That's some tolerance right there, preacher man... yup.

He referred to me (a Colorado and Alaska guy) as a "damned yankee". I pulled the truck over and told him quickly.

"Bill, you need to understand something here. You're out west now, we don't give a damned about the Mason Dixon Line, grits, or maple syrup in your sausage. Out here, there are two kinds of people, westerners and easterners, and you sir, are an easterner. You would do well to remember it."

when I was 5 years old. Lived in Miami most of my life, then moved to Georgia in 1989, but I still consider myself a Yankee.

and grew up in the South.

want us Yankees to leave then I am happy to get under his skin. I was really talking to the original poster. In fact when I read your post I laughed. I didn't mean any offense to you at all. If you feel like it was except my apology. I was agreeing with the yankees living in the south.

By the way I was born in PA myself.

Once you get north of Ocala, and out of the cities, it is easily as south as any part of GA or AL. There are scattered rural pockets of the deepest south all the way to the glades, but you have to stay away from the coasts to find them....

Hang out in Wachula, Bartow, Polk City, or Labelle and then tell me about it. Or don't and just take my word for it. They are still busting folks for keeping slaves in some of these places...

I've seen a great deal of the the US south. I have been to all 11 of the states that seceded, live in a border state, and have visited all the other border states. I lived in Tallahassee for 6 years. Northern Florida, from about Ocala or so northwards, is as culturally and southern as Georgia, Alabama, or Mississippi. The flora and fauna are pretty similar to other parts of the deep south, the native animals are pretty much the same. There were at least two incidents of old-time segregation incidents in north Florida; in one case, African Americans were told they were not allowed to use a rural community meeting place because of their race. In the other case, African Americans were told they were not allowed to use the pool at a motel because it was only for whites. I heard my whole life how life moves slower in the south. I didn't really believe it. Then I moved to Tallahassee. Despite being in a town full of college students, a and a large number from southern Florida, life was very slow compared to what I was used to in Missouri. I think it must be the heat; in the summer, it felt like breathing steam instead of air, because it was so hot and humid. It was like this all over northern Florida. If northern Florida isn't the south, I don't know what "The South" is!

I was born in Charleston, SC, now live in upstate SC and have lived here or in Atlanta my whole life.

We don't think Florida is part of the South, either.

The meterologist on the teevee would give us the forecast "the Deep South and Florida".

I used to live in South Carolina. When the confederate flag issue arose, people used to stand outside the computer software campus at which I worked holding signs telling us Yankees to get the hell out of their state. The hatred was palpable and wide spread. There were a lot of wonderful people in the state but the racism and sectional resentment are just below the surface for too many folks. And it takes very little for it to bubble to the surface.

myself. Some still remember the civil war and want to refight it. Crazy

In Baltimore, MD. DC as well. I'm not sure if the Mason-Dixon line is the best metric for deciding what is and isn't the south.

I'd love to winter in the South, and spend my summers on the Washington (St) coast in retirement.

Honest, I love barbecue, I dislike rude folks, too, and I don't holler, unless there's football involved. (Isn't that a permitted exception?)

Oh, and you're dang right about cornbread.

is permitted! LOL!

It's as expected as an Amen response in church!

See, I'll fit right in.

that is obnoxious. I could care less what someone eats or doesn't eat, but the megaphone mouths from the northeast annoy most everyone in every region. Like we can hear you already from several blocks away. Are you deaf? I don't see how they keep from getting throat cancer.

from Cary (Containment Area for Dislocated Yankees), NC

Greetings from Raleigh...

Don't know why it wont embed.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=FcsXC2xFis4

in your yard dude, all the available ground space is covered by appliances and cars without wheels.

TWO cars up on blocks in the front yard.

More generally: If all the Yankees do move out of the South, the homes they vacate could appropriately be occupied by quite a few other Yankees who'd fit right in down there. Many of them would be from rural areas, but not all.

Pennsylvania has been famously described as "Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between."

The South is a mindset and a lifestyle, not just a geographic region.

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We will take our tax money that we send to you with us. And leave you and your trailers in peace.

That's might gracious of you, sirrah. Some folks have come on this thread and taken it the wrong way and commented like they's assholes. But you cottoned on to the joke in the OP right away and lookee how kindly you responded!!


Bless your heart.

Most non-southerners do not realize all the meanings of that phrase.

I learned all about it on DU. But then, Indiana is sometimes referred to as a southern state planted in the north.

Except for IU and Bloomington, I mean.

would help the Democrats. I think it would be better to stay and make the South a more progressive place at least in some states.

keep your nasty grits...

And we know to use fresh maple syrup anyhows so fergit about it.

And my grandmother knew all about corn bread.

Oh yeah go put a couple more cups of sugar in that swill you call iced tea.

Grits are revolting. Thanks for making a Jersey girl giggle.

to make 'em think that's all we eat so they'll go home.

Seriously?

We can and do make fresh maple syrup, too.

And if you were in the South in August, you'd LOVE your tea iced - that's why we drink it that way.

For this northerner, it's hard to think of the term Yankee as something other than a baseball player.

A yankee is a northerner that visits the south. A damn yankee is a northerner that moves to the south and stays.


My apologies to all yankees and damn yankees. Just a saying I picked up somewhere along the way.

"Damn Yankees" is one word.

Nothing personal.

Like this one in Russellville, Arkansas

just kidding. Those kids are a hoot. I'm sure it's a lovely school.

I'm sending this to my son's band teacher!

It was kind of, er, well, white.

There were also several Asians, including one who was waving a big Bangladeshi flag. You would have felt more at home there than you would have at my old high school.

I agree. You can't argue with the facts.

You know those history books are all written by a bunch of godless commies and pointy-headed elitists.

I suggest you read what General Sherman and his band did while they were marching through Georgia. It wasn't pretty.

And while it officially wasn't Civil War, you should also read what US Army Colonel John Chivington did at Sand Creek, Colorado, in 1864.

Yeah, that makes good sense.

Ayuh - General Sherman and his men were the paragons of virtue.

animals, any comparison becomes acceptable to some. I don't condone rape as a war tactic or under any other circumstances. But when fighting a war against barbarians, cutting off any means for them to eat and continue to fight is not only wise, but justified. Sherman burned any thing that could sustain traitor fighting forces, he was both ruthless and brilliant in his efforts. The rapes which you justfiably decry were carried out by bands of thugs that followed in Sherman's forces wake. If Sherman had devoted troops to eliminate those bands, he wouldn't have been able to eliminate the traitor forces that were retreating in the face of Sherman's assaults on them.

Hell, Georgia was a mostly poor state of subsistence farmers, who bore the brunt of Sherman's scorched earth policy.

Your rationale has been used to justify atrocities committed in every war.

those traitors in the Union.

Hell, we'd be like a rich Canada now without the dead weight of old Conservatives dragging us down . . .

200 years ago when none of us were alive is so much better than the denigration that started the war in the first place.

Right.



BTW, only Yankees bring up the Civil War. I live in the South and we never talk about it... ever. The only time it comes up is on message boards and always by someone from up North.

The Germans don't talk about Auschwitz either.

The fact is that The South

1. takes more money from the Feds than it pays in

2. successfully busts labor unions and keeps them out

3. elected the worst President we've ever had--George W. Bush (Tennessee turned its back on native son Al Gore, and of course, Florida's corrupt vote counting allowed Bush to steal the big enchilada).

4. is so parochial that the only Democrat they would vote for had to be from the South (cf., Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton)

5. continually scores at the worst of measures of economics, education, and poverty.


Letting the Confederates set up their own country would have been the worst thing the Union could have done to them, and a good object lesson for the rest of the world to see the difference between Ayn Rand-land and a working society.

ON EDIT--Southerners may not talk about the Civil War, but they sure do talk about yankees a lot, usually with a "god-damn" in front of it. Funny how the rest of us are just content to call each other Americans.

ON 2nd EDIT--My parents live in Florida, an amalgamation of New Yorkers and Southerners. I get along with everybody. I appreciate diversity even if it's diversity that I don't always agree with. Anyway, I wasn't trying to piss off DUers like you who live in the South. I live in Kansas, and we might as well be Arkansas these days, given who's running the state . . .

Instead of sitting a board bitching about how dumb us motherfuckers are, why don't you mosey your ass down here and edjumacate us?

And, as for that "education" thing: you may need to bone up on irony and sarcasm. This thread was started as a joke, but, naturally some "damn Yankees" can't seem to understand that and have to bring up every tired and trite statistic they can find just to degrade the South and Southerners (conservative or liberal), while calling US the bigots.



P.S. I'm married to a Yankee, but don't call him that. He's a Bo-Sox fan.

it would have been educated a long time ago. It's far beyond my poor power to do it. (joke, haha)

Anyway, here's what I posted above that you apparently missed: I get along with everybody. I appreciate diversity even if it's diversity that I don't always agree with. Anyway, I wasn't trying to piss off DUers like you who live in the South. I live in Kansas, and we might as well be Arkansas these days, given who's running the state . . .

A lot has happened in the 112 years between where your head is, and where everyone else's is.

No one here is responsible for slavery, rape, murder, lynchings, or anything like it.

I mean, you have a chip on your shoulder over THE CIVIL WAR. Just wow.

here's what I posted above that you apparently missed: I get along with everybody. I appreciate diversity even if it's diversity that I don't always agree with. Anyway, I wasn't trying to piss off DUers like you who live in the South. I live in Kansas, and we might as well be Arkansas these days, given who's running the state . . .

On edit--maybe you should start an "I like the South" group where you could have a safe warm place to talk about how bad Yankees are, without the irritating facts brought up.

...and its doings almost 10 generations ago.

If you really get along with everyone, and you're Diversity Joe, then you'd swallow your bitterness and move on.

Unless, of course, you know some slave owners. In that case, please, go give 'em what-for.

On edit:

Here are the two flags most associated with the Confederate rebellion--the Stars and Bars and the Rebel Battle Flag





Here's Texas's flag, which looks a lot like the Stars and Bars



Here's North Carolina's flag



Here's the new and the old Georgia state flag



1956 Georgia state flag



Alabama state flag (which is virtually identical to Florida's state flag)



Mississippi state flag combines BOTH the Stars and Bars and the Rebel battle flag



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Good thing it's all ancient history from ten generations ago . . . (sarcasm)

If we're being stupid as all fuck, that is.

That's when you know you really hit home.

You know damn well that a goodly number of state flags of the former Confederacy are modeled on Confederate flags.

Why does that matter? Because it shows that modern Southerners (a large powerful contingent of them anyway) want to justify taking up arms against their own government and re-write out of history that they fought to preserve the enslavement of their fellow human beings.

..and then follow it with pure speculative nonsense.
Less than .001% of the South owned any slaves.
This was another WAR started by the 1% (in THIS case .001%) that was paid for with the blood of the 99%.
I don't know anybody who wants to fight for the privilege of a RICH person to own a slave.
THAT exists only in your rather creative imagination.

Like ALL WARS, The Civil War was fought about MONEY,
and those who had to fight it didn't have any.

You can get of your self-righteous High Horse.
After "winning" the Civil War to "Free the Slaves",
the Army of The North turned WEST and waged a horrendous WAR of Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing against the Native Americans.
Any Moral High Ground that might have been claimed for "Freeing the Black Man" was surrendered by waging a War of Genocide against "The Red Man".
This Ethnic Cleansing of The American West to make it "safe" for White Settlers was so successful that the native Americans have never recovered.

Cheers!

rationalization that was . . .

Bull Conner and the firebombing of the Church in Alabama and the murder of Emmett Till and Medgar Evers and James Chaney etc etc etc didn't happen because of the 1 percent.

Highly doubtful if you think it's fine to belittle and demean millions of people based simply on region. Not very broadminded or diverse of you. Sad really.

I belittle and demean them based on their beliefs.

I don't belittle you because you live in the South. Hell, I live in Kansas. What I belittle is trying to justify old "traditions" that were treason and slavery.

you are belittling and demeaning. Therefore, you are belittling and demeaning the entire region and its inhabitants, of which I am one. You appear to think you are very clever. I am unclear as to the basis of this belief given your need to use such a broad brush in painting your generalities. Also, only those of poor intellect and poorer self-esteem feel the need to denigrate others in such obvious efforts to assuage their feelings of inadequacy.

Now, I think I managed all of that without using any words that would lead you to believe, erroneously, that you have scored some point only apparent to yourself. But please, feel free to continue to pat yourself on the back.

Someone has to.

you mistakenly think I meant.

While I'm not responsible for the willful misunderstanding of people who use straw man arguments, I will just point out that the southern African-American community obviously doesn't try to continue to justify treason and slavery, so clearly I couldn't have been talking about all Southerners, now could I have.

Between May 1999 and Election Day 2000, two Florida secretaries of state, Sandra Mortham and Katherine Harris, distributed the scrub lists produced by the cleansing process to counties and ordered the 57,700 people identified as "ex-felons" to be removed from voter rolls. Together the lists comprised nearly 1% of Florida's electorate and nearly 3% of its African-American voters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Central_Voter_File

After all, this would never happen outside of the South, would it?

in that particular instance which had grave effects on our country.

But, no, it could happen in other states . . . I could see it happening in my home state what with Chris Kobach as Sec'ry of State.

The difference is that my home state doesn't have a pattern of suppressing minority voters going back over 100 years, but I'll grant you that they're working on establishing a new tradition of voter suppression . . .

Out of the country?

Medgar Evers wasn't shot in the back in Ohio, though.

Which state holds the ALL TIME RECORD
for the Most Black Men Lynched in a Single Day?

..to Alabama from San Antonio, Texas, the Alabama folk called me a Yankee....I had a good laugh over that one!

and im staying. we won this part of the country fair and square and were keeping it.

Sherman cut your beloved land in two and made it look like a dying disjointed snake. Sheridan fucking ran amuck somewhat to the north and east of the ass kicking that Sherman was putting on your boys. BTW, your boys didn't run out of bullets, they threw their bullets away and ran for their treasonous lives.

I'll condemn the rebels for taking up arms against its own democracy, for slavery, for trying to create a feudal aristocracy in free American, but I'll never condemn them for cowardice.

Those Confederate soldiers fought with extreme bravery and honor. One could hardly imagine how they could have done more. That's why the war went on for five years with the Union vastly more powerful in military might.

whew
Sorry dude.
We've moved on.
So should you.

the Army of The North turned WEST,
and waged a very effective War of Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing on the Native Americans.
Cleaned 'em OUT!!
They kicked the Native American's ASS so bad,
that they STILL haven't recovered.

Kinda Ironic, isn't it?
Waged a War to "Free the Black Man",
and then turn right around and Wiped Out the Red Man,
Killed the Men, Women, and Children and stole all their land!
TWO Big WINS in 25 years.
That'll keep you warm at night!

Glory, Glory Hallelujah!

but they wouldn't fight with cornstalks!




(another oldie. . . )

Sauce for the goose...
"All progressives should move out of the south."
Hosts were alerted, but a 5-1 jury said let it stay.
New DU3 rules, I guess.

Sometimes this place gives me a headache.

In 2006, my wife & I moved from Minneapolis to Rural Red Arkansas.
In the six years we have been here, we have not experienced an episode where the resentment was "palpable", "just below the surface", or overt. For two years, we drove with Minnesota plates on our car. In 2008, we had an Obama Canmpaign Poster in our front yard, so its not like we hid who we are. We have been welcomed, and enjoy warm relationships with our neighbors.
People generally find what they want to find.

The South is BEAUTIFUL and belongs to ALL of us.
Its a shame to just give it away.

Pristine, fertile, inexpensive land,
long growing season,
mild Winters,
abundant clean water,
as many genuinely good people as you wish to find.

I CHOSE to migrate to Alabama...twice!

anyone who wants to avoid our area out of prejudice is more than welcome to settle somewhere else...
I LIKE having no other cars on the road when I have to go somewhere!

There was a holdup at the intersection,
and I had to wait for TWO WHOLE Cycles of the Stop Light!!!
Damn TRAFFIC!!!

...and we do miss the things of which you speak.
We lived and worked in urban St Paul/Minneapolis before we moved here.
We especially miss the theater, the cinema, The U, the philharmonic, the occasional Opera, Public Transportation, the bookstores, the incredible selection of ethnic restaurants, the sidewalk Art, the Classical Art, Prairie Home Companion, The Re-Use Centers & Thrift Stores, the festivals, the People, the parks, the anonymity.

I especially miss the Commuter Bike Paths.
It was possible to access every part of the twin cities from these well maintained Bikeways, some of which were even cleared & maintained during Winter. (I still have the studded bike tires thought they are nothing more than a curiosity here.
We loved the Twin Cities,
and even miss the stark beauty of a sub zero Minnesota Winter.


....but we won't be going back. If we were younger, or didn't have Internet, we might consider,
but it would take a lot of convincing for us to give up this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=268x5178

or this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=268x2601

We both agree on one thing:
We absolutely despise The Suburbs,North, South, East, or West.

And... LOL... my daughter has a stuffed Chihuahau she carries everywhere named Blossom.

She runs free during the day, but always shows up at sundown for some treats,
and a walk in The Woods with us and her BFF, our mouser Monkee.


I need to get some new pix.
She has gotten bigger, and even more beautiful.

I have a slew of regular-pet rescues. We're Zoo regulars and the animals always come down to see me. My husband, at first, was amazed, then perturbed and is now used to it. LOL.

What's the kitty's name? We have the dogs: Snap, Woo-Woo, Charlie, Gordy and Danny and the cat, Casper. I have my regular doves, Mr. and Mrs. (not original, I know) and my Moms and Pops, the big squirrels. I haven't named the coyotes because they don't stay around. I just call 'em smoochies, coz they like it when I send 'em kisses.

Unfortunately, most of our restaurants around here must be run by Northerners because they've all taken to putting far too much sugar in their cornbread. Cornbread actually shouldn't have any sugar at all.

We have to go home and have me make my own to get any decent cornbread.

Why are you bombing DU with your one issue when it has nothing to do with the topic of the thread?

What are you, some kind of LIBERAL?

The South And Working Class Republicans Are Their Own Worse Enemy because they vote for a party that hurts them as much as anyone. Some of the worst economic conditions exist in the South. And it is not because of blacks. The GOP has used their racism against them economically. If the South has any economic development it is because the rich and the GOP can create jobs there and these people will work for slave wages and think they are filthy rich.

The Southern states receive the largest share of the welfare and tax dollars from the Federal government. They have the worst economic conditions in the country. I travelled the south a few years ago. The whole region is just a trailer park. The southern mentality is to drag the rest of the country down rather than help push everything up.

I am a Yankee and they are rebs. We still have a civil war it is just not a shooting one yet. The South lost the war and are still not over it.