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Avalux

(35,015 posts)
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 03:35 PM Feb 2012

ANY Organized Religion that Limits Human Rights and Freedom is Wrong

And it astounds me - the contradiction - that religious zealots on the right spew as they demand this country be run according to the bible yet at the same time, speak of freedom and liberty.

There is no freedom nor liberty when a human being is shackled to dogma that limits thoughts and actions. There is no freedom nor liberty for a woman who cannot choose power over her own body because of religious restrictions. There is no freedom nor liberty when religion demands prejudice and demonizes populations of people for not believing in that specific religion.

There will be NO FREEDOM until all human beings can discard divisive religious beliefs and learn to recognize and accept others through similarities - accept people as a part of the whole. Human beings will never stop fighting if we don't evolve away from limited thought. And eventually, we will destroy ourselves because the path humanity has chosen is not sustainable. Is it possible to overcome what has been a self-destructive path since we first walked the earth? I still have faith it can be done, in spite of the insanity we see every day.




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Trillo

(9,154 posts)
1. Only by making massive changes to the fear-based police state & the compulsory schooling tied to it.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:14 PM
Feb 2012

If there's one thing that has separated me from others, it is the tyrannical lessons I learned in schools. They are what drove me to read the bible as a ~15-year old. The only part that resonated was the Old Testament, the New Testament was a bunch of lies and crap, that's what I perceived. I do not have any interest in rereading it over and over.

I went to a political meeting in my town recently to watch a movie. We all certainly seemed to have similar beliefs. However, I ALWAYS wear my HighSchool Dropout schtick on my sleeve, so to say. It ends up all the others had these high level educations, one was actually a teacher, and evidently the idea that I was a dropout rubbed those folks the wrong way. So, I found some fellow liberals living nearby, and afterward we might as well live halfway around the globe.

Nobody ever suggests a woman should stay with an abusive husband, but everyone not only thinks its okay, but is mandatory, to stay with an abusive schooling system, and that somehow, having MA, MS, or PhD behind their names is a badge of honor instead of a badge of toleration of authoritarian culture.

libtodeath

(2,888 posts)
2. Show me
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:24 PM
Feb 2012

any organized religion that doesnt limit those things.
By definition they claim a person must submit and obey whatever sky fairy they believe in.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
9. There is a definite different between religion and spirituality.....
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 08:47 PM
Feb 2012

spirituality doesn't require belief in a specific god or religion....it comes from within and is expansive. Religion is limiting.

It's taken me most of my adult life to understand this.

GoneOffShore

(17,346 posts)
12. I'm starting to have issues with the whole "spirituality" thing.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 10:46 PM
Feb 2012

I'd like an explanation.

Does my delight and wonder in the natural world count as being "spiritual"? Somehow I don't think so. It is delight and wonder.

And what is "spiritual" anyway? Some sort of mystical experience or state of mind?

I would assert that appreciating the world one lives in, loving the people who surround you and the wider world , supporting ones community and going softly in the world are what matters and what makes us human. And being human, I think, is far more important than being "spiritual".

 

Kurmudgeon

(1,751 posts)
3. Saying "any" doesn't provide proof. not all organized religion is on the right.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 07:05 PM
Feb 2012

And quite a bit of religion isn't organized at all, just individual belief.
While you may consider something "dogma", others may be just fine with it.
If we don't learn to tolerate our differences, then you're correct, human beings will never stop fighting.
I feel that for some, organized religion is just a straw man they beat when they feel the need.
The differences between all the sects and faiths are way too many to list here, keep that in mind before you preemptively consider all religion "divisive".

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
4. "any" person or organized religion that limits my freedom of choice over my body
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 07:18 PM
Feb 2012

is to the right of me. "Any" person or organized religion that limits equality to all is to the right of me. I feel for some, organized religion is a straw man they hide behind when they exhibit bigotry or justify different types of bigotry, etc.

 

Kurmudgeon

(1,751 posts)
5. That's fine, just don't assume all persons of any organized religion are to the right of you.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 07:30 PM
Feb 2012

I wouldn't vote for any these people on the right for any reason. So don't assume because a person or organization is religious that it is on the right. You actually help the right when you do that, it allows them to falsely inflate their numbers and claim support where none has been given.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
13. The OP used precise and clear language. We can read.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 10:58 PM
Feb 2012

It says any Organized Religion that Limits Human Rights and Freedom is Wrong. I agree. It does not say all people who hold some faith are wrong, nor that they are all to the right. It says those who limit others are wrong. If you can not deal with that fact, you are part of that which perpetuates the misuse of religion. If you honor your own faith, you should protect it from those who use it to harm others, a misuse of that which is holy. They should offend you more than they offend those outside your faith.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
8. I was referring to any religion that's divisive and not inclusive of all.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 08:43 PM
Feb 2012

Throughout history, most religions were designed by men to divide people and keep them under control.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
10. Or imaginary daddy -
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 08:49 PM
Feb 2012

who punishes us when we're bad and won't let us go to heaven. I am not bashing those who believe this, but it's an awful way to live life. It's all very simple really....treat others as you wish to be treated, and live in the moment.

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