from Scottsdale

that is you right??

as for your question, as a bartender for years, i never allowed kids in my bar, but things have changed a lot in 20 years i guess.....

late at night. Bed time should be before 9 pm. Some parents may not have the means to do this (working late, etc.) but any recreational place should be off limits with the kidlets. But common sense isn't common...

The little green alien seems to be the avatar of choice for a certain repeat troll.

Was it just a bar, or a bar/restaurant (more than bar food served with an eating area)? If the answer is yes, I completely agree with you.



I guess, no more questions. Now, on the subject of dropping F-bombs... I think it's stupid in a public place no matter what the public place is. I respect other people. F-bombs with my friends? At home? At a friend's house? No problem. F-bombs in a bar...no matter that it's a BAR? Classless. I am 41, and I never find swearing in public spaces to be okay.

I edited this because I somehow missed the midnight part. They should not have been there at all...no matter what the establishment.

Additionally, there's an all-night restaurant half a block a way; it's not the only place to get food.

I'm 41 myself, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree about the language. I find a little salt can spice my already formidable lexicon.

peace,
Noodleboy

It's just a pet peeve of mine. I cannot swear in a public place.

We go to "Fox and Hounds" every Sunday during the football season (we are fans of out of state teams) to watch the games. And nothing irks me more than the language.

at a bar at ANY time of the day! My parents would go to the bar after work and sometimes on the weekends and they took me with them on occasion (from age 8 and on). I always found it weird and frankly boring. I never did that with my child though. First off, I'm not a bar person and secondly I just don't think that she needed to be around that yet.

As far as the f-bomb - well that's up to you. I would watch it if I saw a kid around but I do understand your thoughts about it too.

And it's not just because I don't like having my evening interrupted (I don't), but because some people are too stupid to realize they're hurting their kid.

It is ridiculous, but some parents don't think their lifestyles need to change so they take the kids to places they're not supposed to, and then they act all offended when the kids start acting up, and the other people in the establishment don't like it. It's freakin' midnight, you morons! Your kids need more sleep than you do! You're abusing them!

I've gone to a midnight showing of Scream and seen a 6-year-old kid (sitting with parents), and the next day was a school day. I almost caused a couple of fights at both Hulk movies, which I remember seeing late at night as well. In the first movie, when you first really see the Hulk, the movie gets kind of quiet because all the soldiers are staring at disbelief at him. A young girl's voice pierced the quiet with a cry of, "Shrek?" The theater (and I) laughed, but then I yelled, "You might want to take your 2-year-old to a movie that won't give her nightmares, idiot!" At the second one, a young couple brought in a newborn in one of those carseats with a handle. Of course, the kid started crying halfway through, and the dad got in the side aisle and tried to rock him and shush him (I was on the aisle a few rows above him). After 5 minutes of this, I yelled, "Your child is crying because you're permanently damaging his hearing bring him to a movie. Take it outside, you dipshit!" Dad got pissed and was going to have it out with me until everyone on my side of the aisle started yelling, "He's right!" "Take it outside!" etc.

TlalocW

I would have been cheering you on. At least you were able to give the sperm donor a clue that he clearly wasn't getting from anywhere else.

on the way home with the kid in the car?

that would be my concern, three beers a dui do make in these days.

But I think we'd better off if we had more of the culture of pubs, where people of all ages mix and alcohol is not a huge forbidden big deal until you're 21.

and are usually welcome. The corner bar is traditionally the neighborhood socil center. I knew a guy whose grandson had his 3rd birthday party in a bar. I would have a problem though that late at night.

Now THAT would be crazy.

I agree with you.

I also agree with "adult only" restaurants, or restaurants that have segregated dining for families with children.

Of course, some people think I'm mean for having that view, but the fact of the matter is this--many, many parents do not teach their kids how to behave. No one would give a crap about kids in restaurants if they were taught appropriate behavior, but many are not.

As a very, very small child, a long-ass time ago, myself and my siblings were taught that, on the grand and rare occasion when we actually "went out" for dinner, we dressed formally, were on our very best behavior, were polite to the servers, modulated our tones, and didn't give our parents even the slightest iota of crap. Nowadays, too many kids are allowed to run wild in restaurants and their parents abdicate responsibility. It makes the dining experience unpleasant in the extreme for other patrons, and when one is in a high end restaurant spending a good chunk of one's money, one doesn't want to have to put up with that crap.

OTOH, if you go to a "Family" restaurant (many of the mid-priced chains), you get what you get. You know there's a risk of being seated next to some family with kids who have grating, high pitched, loud voices. All you can do is offer to wait for a better seat, if you're stomach isn't growling and/or you aren't rushed for time.

When I was young (in the 90's - early 00's), the only memories I have from bars were of creepy weirdos saying strange things to either me or other people (and I was completely kept out of them minus a couple of times - for a couple of minutes at most and during the day). Bars were not a place I wanted to be, and I'm sure these kids are having the same unpleasant experiences.

When I have kids, I will never bring them to a bar, especially during happy hour. That's ridiculous. Unfortunately, even complete morons can be parents, though. I've seen many people who, even judging by 5 minutes of how they act, should never be parents.

If some putative "parent" gives you the hairy eyeball for talking like an adult in a bar, then you can ignore him/her. If they feel like speaking up, you can always counter that at least your parents didn't "drag you into bars" when you were a kid. You might hear applause from fellow bar patrons, I know I'd be leading the cheer.

That's one good thing we had about the Pacific Northwest, no one under 21 was even allowed in a bar, period. Here on the East Coast, stupid people even bring babies into the bar, and stick the car seat up on the bar itself. There's always some people who just don't get it that their lives have changed since they brought a kid into this world.

anyone in a bar that was not at least 21 years old or able to fake it.
seems odd to hear stories about toddlers in bars.

I have seen grown women in a bar I frequent make remarks about language or smoking and I usually tell them they shouldn't be in a fucking bar if it bothers them that much.
Kids cant come into bars here anymore that allow smoking and I don't miss them being there a bit.

Because taking kids to bars does seem to be common here. I too agree that bars tend to be "adult" areas.

I've noticed that about Wis. though. I'm wondering if it might be more of a rural thing. As a kid my family used to vacation up north, and kids in bars wasn't that uncommon. Same thing in rural Iowa when I went to college. Although, my parents never had me out at midnight.

oh yeah,
(insert regional sports rivalry here)

peace,
Noodleboy

I've had my kids out in "bar space" but we have a pretty open policy with respect to language. It's like having your kid look over your shoulder while you read The Lounge on DU. Shit is GOING to be said!!! I usually just print it - we call it the Sunday Funnies.

Especially if you train the child to walk up to women and say, "Will you be our new mommy?"

A priest and a minister and a toddler go into a bar and...

There is no punch line funnier than the set up.

OK I found one.

The priest says "I'll have a shot of Jameson" The minister says "I'll have a martini" The toddler says "I'll have a White Russian with mother's milk"

I am sooo ashamed of myself.

but only if the minor is over a certain age, I think.

In a bar? Go on!

Little Bratleigh and HunterGatherer can't learn how to behave in a nice bar if they don't go out with their parents and practice at a family bar?











(do I really have to add the sarcasm thing?)