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The Best Response Women Can Give To The Birth-Control Extremists (Original Post) Playinghardball Feb 2012 OP
K&R! n/t ceile Feb 2012 #1
Weak response kctim Feb 2012 #2
The Constitution also says that CONGRESS must declare WAR ... JoePhilly Feb 2012 #3
Yes it does kctim Feb 2012 #4
Yeah but providing for the general welfare is.... Klukie Feb 2012 #5
Your opinion on what is necessary is not law kctim Mar 2012 #18
Ok, here's how it will work HeiressofBickworth Feb 2012 #6
more exemptions Generic Other Feb 2012 #8
Women wouldn't need so much birth control...if limp dicks remined limp. Auntie Bush Feb 2012 #12
Exactly! nt crunch60 Feb 2012 #13
Sorry, but the whole individual argument kctim Mar 2012 #19
Yeh, why do they pay for dead dingles? socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #21
You realize that "argument" could be used for anything, not just contraception, don't you? 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #15
Wrong. Wide majorities support contraception in health plans CreekDog Mar 2012 #22
And another day of intentional spin kctim Mar 2012 #23
Ah so then you are fine if some policies don't cover cancer CreekDog Mar 2012 #25
There already are some that don't cover it kctim Mar 2012 #27
where are these policies that cover everything? CreekDog Mar 2012 #29
Making stuff up? kctim Mar 2012 #30
Where are the policies? Where? How can you say they're available and affordable? CreekDog Mar 2012 #31
The right to life crowd won the battle not to have tax money used for abortions randr Feb 2012 #7
No, the very same argument cannot be used kctim Mar 2012 #20
K&R varelse Feb 2012 #9
I have been saying that for years since the tea party marlakay Feb 2012 #10
Actually the best response pipi_k Feb 2012 #11
K&R Mnemosyne Mar 2012 #14
I stick wth SmileyRose Mar 2012 #16
That works for me. REP Mar 2012 #24
If I were a woman DFW Mar 2012 #17
And here I thought the best response was a kick in the nuts. Matariki Mar 2012 #26
IS "Religion is a pile of CRAP." L. Coyote Mar 2012 #28
 

kctim

(3,575 posts)
2. Weak response
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 05:07 PM
Feb 2012

It may work on the very very few who do think anyone should use contraception, but it won't work on the majority who simply don't want to pay for everyone else's contraception.

Providing for the military is in the Constitution, providing contraception is not.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
3. The Constitution also says that CONGRESS must declare WAR ...
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 05:13 PM
Feb 2012

And so ... I am morally opposed to the US using the military outside of the CONSTITUTIONAL definition of war.

Can I get a refund of my tax dollars for the Iraq "war"???

On edit ... I'll add, I do not want my tax dollars going for the Death penalty. That is not in the Constitution, and I am morally opposed to it.

And ... I'm also a Luddite ... I am morally opposed to having my tax dollars go to any technology advances.

 

kctim

(3,575 posts)
4. Yes it does
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 05:27 PM
Feb 2012

and I wouldn't mind seeing the court's decision on that. Doesn't negate the fact that being provided contraception isn't anywhere in the Constitution though.

And the argument against taxes paying for the death penalty and technology does nothing but encourage the belief that the federal government should not be involved in those things in the first place.

Klukie

(2,237 posts)
5. Yeah but providing for the general welfare is....
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 06:01 PM
Feb 2012

I would consider free access to birth control necessary for the general welfare!

 

kctim

(3,575 posts)
18. Your opinion on what is necessary is not law
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 10:02 AM
Mar 2012

In fact, they would probably just respond that they would consider freedom of choice is even more necessary.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
6. Ok, here's how it will work
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 06:08 PM
Feb 2012

I don't have Parkinson's Disease so I don't want to pay for drugs for that. I also am not an alcoholic so I shouldn't have to contribute to payment of treatment or drugs for that. The whole thing that makes insurance or other health plans work is that everyone pays some and those who need are able to use it. It's not a vote on which condition or disease you want to support. If a person needs or wants birth control, why shouldn't their insurance pay for it just like drugs for any other condition. They pay for drugs for men's limp dicks, don't they?

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
8. more exemptions
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 09:29 PM
Feb 2012

I don't have kids, why should I contribute to the public schools? I have a car. Why should I subsidize public transit? I hate reading. Why should I help pay for libraries?

Sometimes, the rightwingers are just ridiculous.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
12. Women wouldn't need so much birth control...if limp dicks remined limp.
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 11:26 PM
Feb 2012

I guess limp dicks are actually a form of birth control.

 

kctim

(3,575 posts)
19. Sorry, but the whole individual argument
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 10:24 AM
Mar 2012

is about having a vote on which plan, if one at all, that a person freely participates in.
They are NOT trying to force insurance company's to NOT offer birth control to anybody at all, they are saying they want to pick the plan of their choosing, which would be one that does not offer birth control.

It doesn't matter if they now pay for limp dicks or not, their argument is that they want you to have the choice to pay for limp dicks or not. If there is a market for not paying for them, a plan will be created to take advantage of it.

socialindependocrat

(1,372 posts)
21. Yeh, why do they pay for dead dingles?
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 11:50 AM
Mar 2012

I would think that most of the time a guy gets to the point where
he can't get it up he's really past the point of wanting to father children anyway.

After 40, why isn't it just considered cosmetic.

(sorry, I don't have one of those sarchasm blinkies!)

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
15. You realize that "argument" could be used for anything, not just contraception, don't you?
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 12:25 AM
Mar 2012

What's so special about contraception as opposed to, say, heart check-ups?

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
22. Wrong. Wide majorities support contraception in health plans
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 12:41 PM
Mar 2012

and another day, another Republican post by you.

 

kctim

(3,575 posts)
23. And another day of intentional spin
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 03:06 PM
Mar 2012

Support of contraception in health plans is not the issue, mandating contraception in ALL health plans is.
Mandates take away freedom of choice and there is a huge difference between an established government mandate and a mandate that is not established or clear. That is why the OP's response is so easy to counter.

 

kctim

(3,575 posts)
27. There already are some that don't cover it
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 10:37 AM
Mar 2012

And guess what?

People, if they so choose, can still find policies that do cover cancer.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
29. where are these policies that cover everything?
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 02:20 PM
Mar 2012

are they available in every state and to people with preexisting conditions? are they more expensive than group coverage offered through employers?

i actually think you don't know anything about the health care issue, you're just making stuff up.

people who make everything sound easy don't know what they're talking about.

 

kctim

(3,575 posts)
30. Making stuff up?
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 11:49 AM
Mar 2012

Are there policies available that do not cover cancer? Um, yep.
Can people choose to participate in a plan that covers cancer or one that does not? Um, yep.

While making a choice is usually not easy, insuring everybody has the freedom of choice is easy.

The problem isn't that I don't know what I'm talking about, it's that I don't blindly agree with you and do not cheerlead your opinion. And, unfortunately for your opinion, the health care issue cannot be discussed without individual rights being included in the discussion. Well, at least in this country.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
31. Where are the policies? Where? How can you say they're available and affordable?
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 02:40 PM
Mar 2012

you won't.

you haven't researched.

you don't actually care whether other people have coverage either.

you've stated you're a libertarian. that's a big word that replaces two smaller ones: don't care.

randr

(12,418 posts)
7. The right to life crowd won the battle not to have tax money used for abortions
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 09:08 PM
Feb 2012

The very same argument can be made for a moral objection to war.

 

kctim

(3,575 posts)
20. No, the very same argument cannot be used
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 10:40 AM
Mar 2012

or people would be taking on that battle and winning.

Despite "moral objections" to war, tax money is still used for war. Why? Because defense was clearly established in the Constitution from the very beginning. There was not, and is not, a clause clearly establishing that it is governments duty to use tax money in order to provide anything for personal lives.

We are not going to win the debate if we keep using weak apples to oranges comparisons.

marlakay

(11,542 posts)
10. I have been saying that for years since the tea party
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 11:10 PM
Feb 2012

Kept saying they didn't want to pay for contraception, I thought if we get to pick and choose what our taxes pay for, I definetly would not pay for war...

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
11. Actually the best response
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 11:13 PM
Feb 2012

to any extremist who wants to tell us what we can or should do with our bodies is...

"It's none of your fucking business. Period."

That's about the only thing they can't find a counter argument for.

DFW

(54,520 posts)
17. If I were a woman
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 03:45 AM
Mar 2012

I would tell any man that spouts that garbage:

"Well, you need have no fear that I would ever have that issue with the likes of you, as sex
with someone like you is less likely to happen than the sun rising in the west tomorrow."

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
28. IS "Religion is a pile of CRAP."
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 10:51 AM
Mar 2012

To counter the problem, do not simply deal with the superficial impacts the problem has, but attack the cause, the delusional belief systems.

Something needs to be done about the problem of belief systems that are contrary to reality.
People need to attack the idea that religious leaders are the supreme authority of actuality.

If they want to stay out of the public domain, and not impose their beliefs on others, fine.
But cross the line and demand that any individual religious belief supersedes reality and it is time to counter-attack the source of the problem, human delusions.

What we need today is a public discussion of the merits of consensual reality and the ridiculousness of metaphysical beliefs being legally superimposed on the larger world view.
This is a very important debate that must take place to avoid the descent anew into theocracies that burn people at the stake for not adhering to a particular delusion.

STOP RELIGION before they kill you.

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