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Dylan Allen, his adopted daughter posts open letter...
Dylan Farrow, the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and Woody Allen, has written a first person account published on The New York Times' website that details her allegation that she was sexually assaulted by the film director at age 7.
"[W]hen I was seven years old, Woody Allen took me by the hand and led me into a dim, closet-like attic on the second floor of our house. He told me to lay on my stomach and play with my brothers electric train set. Then he sexually assaulted me, He talked to me while he did it, whispering that I was a good girl, that this was our secret, promising that wed go to Paris and Id be a star in his movies. I remember staring at that toy train, focusing on it as it traveled in its circle around the attic. To this day, I find it difficult to look at toy trains.
For as long as I could remember, my father had been doing things to me that I didnt like. I didnt like how often he would take me away from my mom, siblings and friends to be alone with him. I didnt like it when he would stick his thumb in my mouth. I didnt like it when I had to get in bed with him under the sheets when he was in his underwear. I didnt like it when he would place his head in my naked lap and breathe in and breathe out. I would hide under beds or lock myself in the bathroom to avoid these encounters, but he always found me. These things happened so often, so routinely, so skillfully hidden from a mother that would have protected me had she known, that I thought it was normal. I thought this was how fathers doted on their daughters. But what he did to me in the attic felt different. I couldnt keep the secret anymore."
http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/kristof/2014/02/01/an-open-letter-from-dylan-farrow/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
morningfog
(18,115 posts)gets very much to her point.
However, what is described in the second bold paragraph does not sound like sexual assault. Inappropriate for sure. And it sound like enough to inflict psychological harm. But, not sexual assault. She says sexual assault in the first bold paragraph, but that incident, in the attic, isn't described.
Does anyone who's followed this know what was alleged to have happened in the attic?
Merlot
(9,696 posts)It doesn't need to be described. If someone is doing all the things described in the second paragraph, eventually more serious assault will happen.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)As best I could find, the story is that he touched her vagina. But, there were lots of questions about the mom's influence on her story and the story itself.
The case was also investigated, but no charges ever brought against him.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)found no evidence of molestation.
The investigation was automatic, after the charge against Allen was made. There is no credible evidence that this ever happened to Dylan and the older brother has used the word "brainwashed" about the incident.
It amazes me how people here on DUwho are apparently progressiveare so quick to assume someone is guilty until proven innocent.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)These "progressives" will never accept that an accused child molester is EVER innocent, regardless of proof.
Also, they want their payback for what Woody Allen did to Mia Farrow. They demand it.
1monster
(11,012 posts)I hid in the back of the closet, behind the winter clothing. I wasn't sexually assaulted, but I was sexually harassed from age eleven to age fifteen when I, not my mother whom I begged for help, put a stop to it.
This girl's story rings very true. I don't need the details.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)....maybe it was some other Hollywood dude I'm thinking of though.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)FredisDead
(392 posts)Twenty-one years after the first allegations that Woody Allen abused his adopted daughter, that incident is back in the news thanks to the directors ex-partner, Mia Farrow, and estranged son, Ronan Farrow. But what does a closer examination reveal?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-allegations-not-so-fast.html
HipChick
(25,485 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)benefit of the doubt...
Adrahil
(13,340 posts).... Marrying Soon Yi was major league creepy.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)That said, I agree it's disturbing. But it doesn't mean he molested his seven year old daughter.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)wtf
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)I was talking about Soon Yi, not Dylan.
As for Dylan, a six month investigation into the allegations against Allenconducted by the police and sex abuse specialistsconcluded that there was no evidence that he molested Dylan, let alone anyone else.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Oh yes it is.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)He is obviously in the bag for Woody, working years on Woody glorification projects. Trashes Mia and flippantly dismissing Dylan, after swearing he had no intent to do either. Not as nearly as credible as the VF article.
Dorian Gray
(13,517 posts)with that daily beast OPINION piece. He trashes Mia and Dylan, despite repeated claims he has no interest in doing so.
he has an agenda, and it's obvious.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)we know what happened now? actually it's pretty creepy that these same folk totally ignored how biased it was.
and that it couldn't have happened because no conviction? are they for fucking real? I don't claim to know what happened, but that shit is offensive.
Dorian Gray
(13,517 posts)It's really disturbing.
I think people don't want to believe that Woody Allen is evil so they grasp at straws.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)We'll never know what is true with the celebrities involved. All these articles are by people who are paid to sell stories.
joshcryer
(62,287 posts)vankuria
(904 posts)doesn't believe any of this. Dylan's mom Mia Farrow was with Woody Allen for a number of years, she has many children and there was never accusations of sexual abuse until she found out Woody was having an affair with her older adopted daughter. This is of course just my observation, no one knows for sure what happened and the accusations have never been substantiated. I believe when Mia found out about Woody's affair she was so hurt and humiliated she was going to get him back the worst way she could by accusing him of being a child molester because that is really the worse thing you can call someone.
I think Mia put a lot of ideas into Dylan's head, that does happen unfortunately in some cases. If Woody was repeatedly abusing this child, how come it never came out until her relationship with him ended?
Mia recently came out with an accusation that her son Ronan, the kid she had with Woody is not really his and he was conceived with Frank Sinatra. Ronan was born in '87, by that time Frank was 73 yrs. old and he spent the last years of his life battling bladder cancer, kidney disease and dementia, I think he died in '98. When Frank was married to Mia they never had kids together and for that matter Frank never had kids with any of his ex's except for his first wife, so why would we believe Frank cheated on his wife to have a kid with Mia? I know some people on here say Ronan looks like Frank, I guess it's a matter of perception, I personally think he looks like Mia. No one ever said the kid looked like Frank until Mia put it out there to the press.
I think Mia is a bit unhinged, after all the daughter she adopted (with Andre Previn, not Woody) was involved with her boyfriend of many years and that could make anyone nuts.
I will say Woody Allen is guilty of using extremely poor judgement in getting involved with Mia's daughter, even though she was not his daughter, she is the sister of his children.
Which one is different, do you know?
Its rather obvious isn't it?
kiva
(4,373 posts)how anyone can look at pics of Roana Farrow and Frank Sinatra and not figure that one out.
JI7
(89,283 posts)some things are just too obvious . it was the same with edwards . everyone knew he was lying about hte kid not being his because the kid looked totally like him.
OnionPatch
(6,169 posts)I'm pretty good at noticing tiny variations of facial features. That nose and mouth are Frank's.... or some bizarre coincidence caused Mia and Woody's genes to combine in a very particular way as to make their son look like Frank Sinatra.
FredisDead
(392 posts)While were on the subject, a word about this Sinatra business: To even say that Ronan is possibly Sinatras son implies that Mia was fooling around with her ex-husband decades after their divorce. Backdating from Ronans birthdate, it means that Farrow and Sinatra hooked up in March of 1987 when Mia was 42 and Old Blue Eyes was 71. This sort of dispels the myth that Woody and Mia had this idyllic, loving, monogamous relationship until Woody threw it all away in 1992, since Mia was apparently diddling her ex, five years earlier. If Mia was just kidding about the Sinatra scenario, it was an awfully insensitive thing to say, considering the fact that Sinatras wife, Barbara, is still very much alive. Did Mia stop to think how her coy tease might be perceived by the widow Sinatra? One can only wonder if this also fits Ronans definition of a moral transgression. (One may also wonder whether Woody is owed a fortune in reimbursement for child support.)
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-allegations-not-so-fast.html
reorg
(3,317 posts)until the time was right and the age difference had shrunk to 9 years or so.
BainsBane
(53,112 posts)It's not enough to attack the moral virtue of rape victims, but now the victim bears the sins of her mother?
I read that article yesterday. It's the most repulsive and transparent rape apology I've seen in some time. The fact he even brings up that sort of distraction tells me he doesn't give a rat's ass what happened to that child.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Yeah, I only wish I could be surprised.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)He would also look very much like her at that age.
eShirl
(18,507 posts)Funny how that works.
Of course, sometimes children "take after" one parent more than the other in the looks department. IMO Ronan Farrow takes after his dad.
is a very young Mia Farrow in his face. I was a fan of Peyton Place back in the day and that's exactly how Mia looked, you can google it and see for yourself.
eShirl
(18,507 posts)That's the ticket.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)Like him or not, Woody Allen is brilliant.
Ronan Farrow's brains did not come from Frank Sinatra - they came from Woody Allen.
kskiska
(27,051 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)kskiska
(27,051 posts)Nancy dropped out after one year. No mention of higher education for Tina or Frank Jr.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)vankuria
(904 posts)Ronan looks exactly like his Mom.
eShirl
(18,507 posts)Speaking of possible biological parents of Ronan...
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Farrow exhibited some evidence of eccentric and bizarre behavior after the affair of adopted daughter of Andre Previn. I already know that bitterness stemming from one parent has long potential effects on the children. I think many of us know how hard that is to reconcile.
I also know that genius (Allen) comes along with eccentric and bizarre behavior. I'd rather know Woody Allen for all of his movies (Farrow, too, as she was great), than for the crap that comes out of BAD choices and BAD relationships of life!
frwrfpos
(517 posts)never thought much of him or his movies and now Im glad these allegations are coming forward
defacto7
(13,485 posts)what?
What do we have to do with it? And how do we know anything? That whole family and all those related by marriage or past marriage may be psychopathic for all we know... or will ever know.
We don't have a clue.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)to do with it. Marrying her was sick.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)That is what you have read. We don't "know" anything.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)JI7
(89,283 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Democat
(11,617 posts)And there are not two sides to any story and evidence is irrelevant.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-allegations-not-so-fast.html
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)#1: Soon-Yi was Woodys daughter. False.
#2: Soon-Yi was Woodys step-daughter. False.
#3: Soon-Yi was Woody and Mias adopted daughter. False. Soon-Yi was the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and André Previn. Her full name was Soon-Yi Farrow Previn.
#4: Woody and Mia were married. False.
#5: Woody and Mia lived together. False. Woody lived in his apartment on Fifth Ave. Mia and her kids lived on Central Park West. In fact, Woody never once stayed over night at Mias apartment in 12 years.
#6: Woody and Mia had a common-law marriage. False. New York State does not recognize common law marriage. Even in states that do, a couple has to cohabitate for a certain number of years.
#7: Soon-Yi viewed Woody as a father figure. False. Soon-Yi saw Woody as her mothers boyfriend. Her father figure was her adoptive father, André Previn.
#8: Soon-Yi was underage when she and Woody started having relations. False. She was either 19 or 21. (Her year of birth in Korea was undocumented, but believed to be either 1970 or 72.)
#9: Soon-Yi was borderline retarded. Ha! Shes smart as a whip, has a degree from Columbia University and speaks more languages than you.
#10: Woody was grooming Soon-Yi from an early age to be his child bride. Oh, come on! According to court documents and Mias own memoir, until 1990 (when Soon-Yi was 18 or 20), Woody had little to do with any of the Previn children, (but) had the least to do with Soon-Yi so Mia encouraged him to spend more time with her. Woody started taking her to basketball games, and the rest is tabloid history. So he hardly had his eye on her from the time she was a child.
Let me add this: If anyone is creeped out by the notion of a 55-year old man becoming involved with his girlfriends 19-year old adopted daughter, I understand. That makes perfect sense. But why not get the facts straight? If the actual facts are so repugnant to you, then why embellish them?
Its understandable that Mia would remain furious with Woody for the rest of her life. If I were in Mias position, Im sure Id feel the same way. (Though Id likely handle it as a private matter and not be tweeting about him being a pedophile, just before tweeting, omfg look at this baby panda.) I also understand the simmering anger of Ronan Farrow (née Satchel), who has famously said of Allen, Hes my father married to my sister. That makes me his son and his brother-in-law. That is such a moral transgression. However, this particular dilemma might be resolved by Mias recent revelations that Ronans biological father may possibly be Frank Sinatra, whom Farrow married in 1966, when she was 21 and the crooner was 50.
While were on the subject, a word about this Sinatra business: To even say that Ronan is possibly Sinatras son implies that Mia was fooling around with her ex-husband decades after their divorce. Backdating from Ronans birthdate, it means that Farrow and Sinatra hooked up in March of 1987 when Mia was 42 and Old Blue Eyes was 71. This sort of dispels the myth that Woody and Mia had this idyllic, loving, monogamous relationship until Woody threw it all away in 1992, since Mia was apparently diddling her ex, five years earlier. If Mia was just kidding about the Sinatra scenario, it was an awfully insensitive thing to say, considering the fact that Sinatras wife, Barbara, is still very much alive. Did Mia stop to think how her coy tease might be perceived by the widow Sinatra? One can only wonder if this also fits Ronans definition of a moral transgression. (One may also wonder whether Woody is owed a fortune in reimbursement for child support.)
I am not here to slam Mia. I think shes an exceptional actress and I seriously admire her political activism. (I even follow her on Twitter.) But those who hate Woody for what he did to Mia, should be reminded that if Sinatra was indeed Ronans biological father, its not the first time Mia had a child by a married man. In 1969, at the age of 24, she became pregnant by musician/composer André Previn, 40, who was still married to singer/songwriter Dory Previn. The betrayal is said to have led to Dory Previns mental breakdown and institutionalization, during which she received electroconvulsive therapy. She would later write a song called, Beware of Young Girls about Mia. Maybe sleeping with your friends husband doesnt earn as many demerits as sleeping with your girlfriends adopted daughter, but if youre waving the Never Forget banner in Mias honor, lets be consistent and take a moment to also remember the late Dory Previn. (Or better yet, lets forget the whole damn thing, considering its none of our business.)
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)pre-Saville scandal days.
Democat
(11,617 posts)A lot of people believed and lives were ruined.
The American system presumes innocence, not guilt.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)randr
(12,418 posts)Allen has always been a dweeb as reflected in his socially inept movie characters.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)I have wanted to scream every time I see someone throw that up as "evidence" that Allen is innocent.
So "penetration" is the only sign of real molestation?? Really??
May I remind folks that Allen could have fingered her vulva and touched her vagina and there would have NEVER been any physical evidence it ever happened -- and that 7 year old girl would have been as thoroughly molested just the same.
Dylan is the one that sought out her mother with questions about the appropriateness of what was happening to her.
I find her allegations convincing and compelling.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)this is why I am not shocked when these RWers aren't hung up to dry for their misogyny. We have lefties agreeing with big parts of their bullshit.
nightbloomer
(23 posts)I don't believe Dylan on this one. She was coached by Mia at the time. Mia Farrow is bonkers. Just read her book. She is a bitter evil woman and she is out for revenge. I think is feeling a bit orchestrated that she, Dylan and Ronan are ALL coming out with this stuff at the same time.
Something funny is going on here.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)1monster
(11,012 posts)don't ask for help. They are not believed and the molester (and possible enablers) are free to wreak havoc on the child. Fear plays a HUGE role in sexual abuse.