Bearing false witness or just incompetent.

I'm also an atheist, and not only an evolution 'believer', but I'm 100% POSITIVE about Evolution ... but his presentation and argument was, forgive the pun, GOD AWFUL.

I cannot believe that for such a high-stakes, high-profile debate like this one, he didn't get the best of the best 'advice' in terms of how to present the most compelling case. The whole 'Big Rocks' and 'Seattle' thing ... fell horribly flat, as did MOST of what he was trying to say.

There is SO, SO, SOOOOO much better and compelling evidence to blow Ham's assertions completely out of the water than what Nye presented, it literally pained me to watch. Why even focus on the 4000 year thing, and Noah's flood? I mean, science is SO FAR past that nonsense it's not even worth talking about.

The whole 'garden' thing that Ham asserted is absolutely NOT based on ANY OBSERVABLE science. Why even give this nonsense any semblance of credence?

Suffice to say, as someone who's reviewed the multi-disciplinary 'evidence' of evolution basically my whole life, I was not even remotely impressed with the way Nye presented 'what we actually know'. He let us down BIG TIME, and he was clearly not the right person to go up against someone like Ham on his own home turf.

He should've gone out there and presented the overwhelming reams of 'reason' and 'observations' that scientists all over the world have made that back up the KNOWLEDGE that the earth is over 4B years old, and why there's no POSSIBLE way that every 'species' has existed for the entire time the earth has existed.

However, i have my on theory of the meaning of The Garden of Eden story. I think it is a description of a Hunter/Gatherer lifestyle prior to the beginning of cultivation & organized agriculture.

What we know about hunter/gatherer societies indicates life was not that hard. Not that many hours per day working to get your food. Not that much hunger because you moved as needed.

What did poor Adam & Eve have to do after leaving the Garden? Work at hard labor to grow their food.


As for Noah why not bring up the Babylonian myth of Gilgamesh who was also in a Great Flood. That myth predates Noah.

Just watch this to have it explained---

yet with a hint of blasphemy. Also why does God appear to always want to be portrayed as an old man? You'd think he like to be iconed out as someone more buff.

I could talk about the conservation of mitochondrial DNA as evidence for evolution.

But then I'm spending my time explaining what mitochondria are, where they came from, why they have their own DNA, and so on. Meanwhile much of the crowd is thinking "I have power plants in my cells? Where do the smokestacks go?" And to fix that, I have to now get into chemistry and ATP, which then requires getting into particle physics to explain chemical bonds. And so on.

Nye's argument was trying to use more accessible examples, because science education has been atrocious for a few decades now. For example, I shouldn't have to explain what mitochondria are to any high school graduate, and yet it is something I've had to do many times when discussing random topics in casual conversation.

There's better arguments, but they require a better science background to follow.

theory we have currently to explain our existence. Many scientists and many theories have been proven wrong over the centuries and sometimes theories have to be changed or thrown out all together. That is the nature of science. I'm not saying that the theory of evolution is wrong. I believe the theory of evolution and I sure as hell don't want creationism taught in the science classroom, but to be true to science we have to be honest about the scientific method. It is never absolute. Answers bring new questions and new questions bring new experiments. That is what makes science so magnificent.

Sorry, just had to correct that. Hypotheses get turned down left and right, but proving a scientific theory wrong would be world-shattering.

Building a stationary museum is one thing, building an actual floating replica is another, especially one laden with cargo.

These long wooden ships, are more of a fable than anything. The huge Chinese Treasure Ships are as such too.


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If Ham wants to 'prove' the ark can be built... BUILD ONE! An ACTUAL FLOATING one.


Stop pretending. Just visit his site and look at the depiction of the scenery, the crane and how the boards on the ship are drawn.


Instant hull breech.

He laughed at the idea of a wooden ark.

One of his mahogany beauties "Avalon":



Unfortunately, I don't have a pic of the cabin cruiser he built, I was 3 when he sold it to pay cash for a house for his new wife and daughter (me).

there can be huge differences between those who identify as Christians

But I could be completely wrong. I am sure British Christians are a bit more reasonable than the crop we have in the US though.

Who wins?