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"All that was required of them was a primitive patriotism ..." (Original Post) Scuba Feb 2014 OP
"No chocorations for you, Scuba." - Big Bropublicons, Inc. (R) Berlum Feb 2014 #1
But I thought the chocolate ration had been increased. Brigid Feb 2014 #2
It was for the WORTHY! HereSince1628 Feb 2014 #3
Correct, the chocolate rations have been incresed from 30 to 20 grammes a week. Glassunion Feb 2014 #20
I gots all the chocolates I haz need for ... Scuba Feb 2014 #5
All my problems will be solved...when I strike it rich, see. Octafish Feb 2014 #4
LOL malaise Feb 2014 #33
Yeah. Look, see. Did you see the link? Octafish Feb 2014 #36
If I just keep playing the lottery I will become a millionaire. L0oniX Feb 2014 #6
The more tickets you buy, the more you win. LuvNewcastle Feb 2014 #7
I can't just sell my food stamps and use my unemployment funds to buy them? L0oniX Feb 2014 #8
Not after the GOPeee gets done wid ya. lastlib Feb 2014 #34
and in the Bible Belt, there's the (mandatory) church affiliation. japple Feb 2014 #9
That was covered, too. Cerridwen Feb 2014 #12
Aaarg! Now I'm going to have to reread it again. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #15
Bill Hubbard seveneyes Feb 2014 #10
I re-read 1984 last week... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #11
Good post, good comments and links.. bookmarking for later reference. mountain grammy Feb 2014 #13
well, that sure is the perfect quote. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #14
We need GOBS more whistle blowers Titonwan Feb 2014 #16
...... FREEDOM! AWESOMENESS! sibelian Feb 2014 #17
Turns out Orwell was a Prophet, not a writer of Science Fiction. bvar22 Feb 2014 #18
I doubt he thought he was writing science fiction. pangaia Feb 2014 #19
football? beer? gambling? hfojvt Feb 2014 #21
Funny, I read the book a few times. Every time as sat down to read it, I knew it was fiction. Glassunion Feb 2014 #22
Funny, I read it like a cautionary tale. Curmudgeoness Feb 2014 #35
K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Feb 2014 #24
Re: speeding cameras Nac Mac Feegle Feb 2014 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Feb 2014 #27
The same way you confront... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Feb 2014 #31
Oh well... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Feb 2014 #43
It isn't exactly the right thing to do... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Feb 2014 #45
My one experience in traffic court.... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #46
Kind of prophetic. defacto7 Feb 2014 #26
K&R! Phlem Feb 2014 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Feb 2014 #32
guyton! My favorite version too, "Free" Phlem Feb 2014 #37
Yeah, and the parts about the Anti-Sex League are pretty spot-on. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #30
That is the road on which Foxnews zombies travel. Rex Feb 2014 #38
Faux Nooz. Nuff said! blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #39
I don't think George thought he was writing an instruction manual. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #40
Never mind about your mind keep your mind on your work. marble falls Feb 2014 #41

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. All my problems will be solved...when I strike it rich, see.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 11:10 AM
Feb 2014

If not through hard woik, da lottery, see.



Yeah. And I've got a governor who wishes he never heard of dis bridge to sell you, see.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
36. Yeah. Look, see. Did you see the link?
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 10:25 PM
Feb 2014

Click the picture and see the water all around, like a fish enlightened, know what I mean?

LuvNewcastle

(16,866 posts)
7. The more tickets you buy, the more you win.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 12:02 PM
Feb 2014

The only reason you have to work is so you can afford the tickets.

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
12. That was covered, too.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 12:54 PM
Feb 2014
For that matter, even religious worship would have been permitted if the proles had shown any sign of needing or wanting it.


I found an online PDF copy from planetebook if anyone is interested. The quote in the OP is on page 92. The text is searchable.

http://www.planetebook.com/ebooks/1984.pdf

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
15. Aaarg! Now I'm going to have to reread it again.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:22 PM
Feb 2014

For added context:

"In Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell, proles (collective noun) refers to the working class of Oceania (i.e. the proletariat).

Oceania's society is divided into three distinct classes: Inner Party, Outer Party and proles (with their own upper, middle and lower classes). The proles constitute 85% of the population; they receive little education, work at manual labor, live in poverty (although in having privacy and anonymity, qualitatively better off than Outer Party members), and usually die by the age of sixty."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proles

Well, at least according to Orwell most of us have a bit more privacy, but he didn't have knowledge about supercomputers and statins.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
11. I re-read 1984 last week...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 12:44 PM
Feb 2014

It just keeps getting more and more true, regardless of how many blue links get thrown our way.

Titonwan

(785 posts)
16. We need GOBS more whistle blowers
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:47 PM
Feb 2014

and real net neutrality. If not, this is our future (worse than now).

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
17. ...... FREEDOM! AWESOMENESS!
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:57 PM
Feb 2014

MONSTER TRUCKS! JELLY DONUTS! you lurrrrrbruls, it's all becuzza teh gyaz hur hur hur and other sentiments of that sort.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
22. Funny, I read the book a few times. Every time as sat down to read it, I knew it was fiction.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 05:13 PM
Feb 2014

Problem is that others read it as an instruction manual.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
35. Funny, I read it like a cautionary tale.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 09:55 PM
Feb 2014

But I also think that there was too much truth in the book, it came from what was already happening but not on that same scale. The scale was the wishful thinking of the ruling class....then and now.

Response to Scuba (Original post)

Nac Mac Feegle

(972 posts)
25. Re: speeding cameras
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 07:29 PM
Feb 2014

They stopped having someone in the cars here in the Phoenix area when some redneck shot and killed the contractor in the SUV with the equipment. The video enabled him to be prosecuted.

Response to Nac Mac Feegle (Reply #25)

reACTIONary

(5,795 posts)
29. The same way you confront...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 09:04 PM
Feb 2014

...a radar gun. In court. The measuring device is not your accuser. The state is.

Response to reACTIONary (Reply #29)

reACTIONary

(5,795 posts)
42. Oh well...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:47 PM
Feb 2014

...the alternative? The police officer says "he was going faster than I was". If you think hardware / software is hard to challenge, try going through the "wet-ware" owners manual.

Response to reACTIONary (Reply #42)

reACTIONary

(5,795 posts)
44. It isn't exactly the right thing to do...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 03:48 PM
Feb 2014

... but my experience has been that if you hire the right lawyer, no more than a couple hundred bucks, the cop doesn't show up in court and the case gets dismissed.

Response to reACTIONary (Reply #44)

reACTIONary

(5,795 posts)
46. My one experience in traffic court....
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 04:32 PM
Feb 2014

...is a bit of a story. I was what I would now consider to be a "kid". I was stopped on an elevated freeway for speeding and was issued a ticket. Since I had a lot more time than money, I figured I would show up in court, plead guilty and take the "safe driving" class as my punishment.

I showed up and I waited, and waited, and waited, while the judge went through case after case. All of them amateur, do-it-yourself lawyers who didn't know squat. They would piss and moan and make ridiculous excuses that basically amounted to admissions of guilt. Bang, Guilty! Bang, Guilty! one after another.

After a while of this, I was growing impatient, so I slipped over to a "court official" standing on the side lines and asked when my case would come up. I told him I just wanted to plead guilty and take the safe driver course. He got all excited and frustrated and pointed out that they had announced at the beginning that everyone who wanted to do that was to form a line outside to be processed. I should have been paying attention! I missed my chance! He told me that the judge would be royally pissed at me, and would through the book at me. "Boy are you in for it." He was what I would now consider a snotty kid.

Finally my case came up. I was quaking! The prosecutor read the charge from off the ticket, including the date, time and location. The location was a street address, probably the street under the elevated freeway. I interrupted. "Excuse me sir, the incident did not occur at that location. It occurred on the freeway." The judge picked up his gavel - BANG - "Case dismissed." There was silence in the court while that sunk in.

As I was walking out, the snotty kid scowled at me. Hey, kid, have a nice day!

Response to Phlem (Reply #28)

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
37. guyton! My favorite version too, "Free"
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 10:28 PM
Feb 2014

Thank you my friend!

hope I can return the favor some day.



-p

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
30. Yeah, and the parts about the Anti-Sex League are pretty spot-on.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 09:08 PM
Feb 2014

I seem to remember reading one blogger -repeatedly promoted on DU- who was arguing that the totalitarian "big brother" government was really the good guys.


One would hope it was intended as satire, but it wasn't.
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
38. That is the road on which Foxnews zombies travel.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 10:33 PM
Feb 2014

Sadly we have a few here with the exact same mindset, they live in a binary world and can only focus on petty specific grievances.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
40. I don't think George thought he was writing an instruction manual.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 11:53 PM
Feb 2014

I wonder how many of Big Brother's advocates here have ever read 1984?

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